what happened to Chris Penn?
what was going on during the earthquake?
Did he go nuts and kill that girl with the beer can?
Why did that happen?
what was going on during the earthquake?
Did he go nuts and kill that girl with the beer can?
Why did that happen?
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Bad writing would imply mistakes... no ... I'm pretty sure they wrote it that way on purpose to piss us off (metaphorically speaking).
Choose your signature quotes carefully…. They could be misinterpreted (you moron).- drwho
Do you remember the Anger Management movie?? In that movie Jack Nicholson mentioned Adam Sandler a theory about a cashier and a customer. It was something like that; "There are two kinds of angry people - explosive and implosive. Explosive is the type of individual you see screaming at the cashier for not taking his coupon. Implosive is the cashier who remains quiet day after day and then finally shoots everyone in the store". This theory explains exactly what happened to Chris IMO.
shareChris Penn snaps and kills the girl because of his inability to understand women. Misogynistic attitudes are on display throughout the film, and you see his character soak those up until they come bursting out. I think it's quite important to understand that his action is being portrayed as the extreme end of a continuum.
As viewers, I think we understand that the act his wife was putting on for her customers was just that - the reason she doesn't talk like that with him because it's not real, it's just BS for the punters. Had Penn's character had the emotional intelligence to see that too, he wouldn't have become so wound up. On the other hand, she can't understand his feelings, hence her amused disbelief at the notion that she should talk dirty to him. Part of the theme of failure to communicate that also runs through the film.
I don't think there's any suggestion at all that Penn killed the girl in the river and as others have pointed out, that would entirely mess up his story arc and what happens to the character psychologically. From my recollection of the original Carver story we never find out who killed the girl and in any case it's irrelevant.
As for the girl killed with the rock, I think you have to make the assumption that her friend didn't see what happened. The way the scene was cut made it look as though she did, but the end doesn't make sense that way, so I'd say you have to take it as read that she was a few steps behind Downey, things got confused because of the earthquake and she didn't realise what had happened. And of course we only see an early news report, perhaps Penn does get nicked for the crime later on.
I used to want to change the world. Now I just want to leave the room with a little dignity.
You're all nuts. It's quite obvious that Chris Penn killed the girl because she crashed into his car with her bike. And as for the girl in the lake: hello! She's from Bakersfield? An obvious clue from the director that it was the baker!Plus the girl was found in water...? And what do baker's use to mix their ingredients?
I rest my case.
Nothing tells us that the girlfriend didn't report the murder to the police.
The news cast didn't have the correct information or she hadn't gone to the police yet.
About what Jon_Death said about bad writing:
I didn't take it as Julianne Moore's character was raped.
She confessed to cheating nothing else.
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I think people are forgetting that the news report didn't just say that one person was killed, it also said that some people were injured as well. Could it not be that the red haired girls friend, Robert Downey Jr and Chris Penn could have been some of the people who were injured and possibly unconcious when people found the girl's body and then assume that it was done by falling rocks? I'm not saying that it's the definitive answer or anything, I just don't really think that there is much of a problem. The fact that we know he killed her is enough.
On the issue of the girl in the lake, I don't think that it was Chris Penn who did it because it would go against the way his character was being driven nuts by having no-one pay him any attention and being left feeling inadequate. If he had been a killer, I think he would have reacted in a different way when the guy in the club tried to pay his wife for a blowjob.
I don't really think it matters who the killer of the girl in the lake was, but my original feeling when watching the film was that it was the husband of the trailer-park waitress. I just thought a few things like how he was desparate to get out of town, being a drunk who isn't scared to confront the guy in the club but has the control to back out of it. I think it was also implied that he did something to his daughter which made her hate him. This also gave me the impression he was capable of doing it. There were other things as well but I'd have to rewatch it to make sure I'm not remembering it wrong. Iunno, just a theory.
I don´t think there´s any reason to think Penn is a serial killer either, but the point about him not standing up to that black dude in the bar sounds a little problematic - after all, guys like Bundy or Dahmer ain´t some martial artists or street fighters. The element of surprise is instrumental in their killing or capturing their victims and they usually pick people that are - presumably - fysically inferior to them.
If you, however, meant that why didn´t he go berserk or something, then, again, most serial killers have good self control & function pretty well in the society; they aren´t some openly violent easy-to-spot lunatics (it would be a whole lot easier to catch them if they were).
"facts are stupid things" - Ronald Reagan
My didn't mean he'd go metnal when confronting them, I meant that I'd have thought he'd have been in better control of the situation. It was obvious he was being mocked by the black guy but if he had killed before I think he'd have acted with more confidence rather than not say anything. If you compare Chris Penn's reaction to the reaction of the guy who told them to shut up because the lady's singing you'll see what I mean. That guy was in control of the situation and backed off on HIS terms, whereas the Chris Penn just said nothing and was laughed off.
shareEveryone has a breaking point.
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It was totally weird the ending, kind of a let down in my opinion.. the explosive reaction to things just building up ending in the murder was very unbelievable and the movie ends only minute or so after it leaving the most important part just hanging :S
shareWhat was the "most important part" that was "left hanging"?
"facts are stupid things" - Ronald Reagan
Penn snaps due to romantic rather than sexual frustration. He leaps on the girl and she naturally screams, so he kills her in blind rage. I'm 100% sure that Penn's character doesn't get away with murder. After the earthquake, he is arrested. Either that or he colludes with Downey Jr and kills the other girl...OR...he kills both the girl and Downey Jr.
Oh yes, and he's got nothing to do with the body in the river. This movie seems to have done a great job of confusing a lot of people. But not me!! Haha...
Confused?.....You will be.