How is this not a more discussed topic in this film? Michael Douglas' character clearly rapes a woman and the movie glosses over it as though nothing happened. It even continues on as though we are supposed to be rooting for his character.
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The funniest part about that scene that it was filmed without the actors knowledge, they were rehearsing the scene to get ready for the real filming. They filmed it and didn't tell the actors and they liked it so much they used that for the part in the movie. Not bad for a rehearsal scene, looks like they really went for it in practice. I think it got glossed over because he was being rougher then he was before with her, since they've had sex before, but if she felt she was raped why didn't she do anything about it afterward? Bring charges up against him?
shareThis is very common. As a woman when you are raped by someone you love or have relations with, many times you will deal with what has happened for various reasons, for example it's common you don't want to accept that you were raped. You know it, but you don't want to admit it, either to yourself or your partner/friend/etc. Many women feel ashamed by the thought of being raped, or want to protect themselves or the perpetrator.
It does not make it any less rape and does not condone what the man has done to the woman. We as a society seriously can not question these instances in such a way, I feel strongly that one of the reasons this is so common in the first place is that a man can find it questionable due to such acts being depicted as forgivable or even sexy in media. While you may have your own personal sexual preferences, they are fine, in private, however when a rape is clearly depicted as rape, we can not let our personal preferences define it.
A rape is simply an act of forced sexual intercourse. No more, no less. If a woman (or of course, man) says no, it means no. It does not matter how you think she feels, what matters is that you listen. It could mean the difference between traumatizing a human for life, or momentary gratification. A person could seem perfectly okay or even turned on, but that may not be the case, and should be presumed as so.
The reason I had typed all of this is because many men and women still seem to justify the rape of a person depending on the victim's actions, relationship, and recourse (or lack of). As humans we can not be this way, it is simply wrong. It is so painful as a victim of rape to see others discount the obvious rape of another person because of judgmental circumstances.
Sorry to bring you such a lengthy reply, and I know you are just a random user. However this scene haunted me, so I felt the need to see if it was discussed.
Yes i thought the same thing. That whole scene was very tough to watch.
shareOkay, Michael Douglas didn't rape her, the "Shooter" did.
Don't make it seem like it's accidental. The director was very aware of it. Somehow, I ended up with a copy of a Director's cut version of this movie, when I was in middle school. And I watched it front-back. Also watched director's commentary.
Off-topic: this half-rape (did I just say something controversial) is by far the best sex scene in the movie, way better than those overrated Sharon Stone stuff.
The funniest part about that scene that it was filmed without the actors knowledge, they were rehearsing the scene to get ready for the real filming. They filmed it and didn't tell the actors and they liked it so much they used that for the part in the movie. Not bad for a rehearsal scene, looks like they really went for it in practice. I think it got glossed over because he was being rougher then he was before with her, since they've had sex before, but if she felt she was raped why didn't she do anything about it afterward? Bring charges up against him?
It was a rough sex scene, but she clearly enjoyed it, otherwise why would she suck on his fingers?? Afterwards she realized Michael Douglas was thinking of Sharon stone all the time she got pissed..
shareIt could be rape. But we don't know for sure how they usually have sex. It did seem like he forced himself on her as she said he acted unusually. But then again, we can't know for sure.
shareYes, that is rape. There's no gray area, as some of you are implying. In the context of his frustration at what Catherine said, he's taking it out on this woman. It's rape.
It did seem like rape initially, but there seemed to be the impression there were mind games involved on both sides and they were a bit of a messed-up couple with history, and that it may not be the first time it happened, and even maybe she went with it to help him because she cared. There was something about the scene when she said something like, "I'm a big girl, I can handle it," and then walked away from him with a playful smile, then got in her car and her smile turned to a serious expression. Something didn't seem right about her.
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