rewatching and jill is so annoying!!

Also rewatching the show and I was actually positively pleased by the character of Jill. I had recalled this show to be in "patient, loving, smarter wife putting up with fumbling husband" stereotype, but it avoids being fully in that camp by making Jill also being often wrong and genuinely testing also Tim's patience and love.

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Jill is a 90s caricature. Back in the 90s everything was "Men are from mars, women are from venus." I can remember kids back in elementary school joking around about it. That was new wave feminism and a huge part of the culture wars. I can tell you're from a different generation if you don't remember that part of 90s television.

Kids today don't get it...back then it was funny to watch the two of them argue.

Realistically the point was never "Jill is right," but rather they are both right and that they should compromise somewhere in the middle.

I think people are really hard on Jill today. She's not a perfect character and was never meant to be. Think of her as a 1990s Jim Anderson. In Father Knows Best, Jim Anderson was anything but perfect. In fact that title of the show was meant to be ironic. Jim always thought of himself as so much more intelligent and more cultured than he actually was. That's kind of like how Jill is. Jill wants to be cultured, but realistically the only person on the show who could make that claim would be Wilson.

On the other hand Tim is supposed to be a "Man's man" and great with tools. He's a buffoon who is only a man in the living room. If you stuck him in the wild he'd call a taxi or 9/11 in two seconds. People were re writing traditional gender roles at the time, that's just how it was. I don't understand why people feel the need to judge or be hostile. The world we live in today is not a product of the 1990s, it's a product of the 2000s and 2010s.

She's just a very flawed character but it makes me wonder what people expect. It's the same on the Breaking Bad board were people cry about Skyler being a "annoying, horrible person".

Jill has a ton of flaws: She's very controlling, extremely hypocritical and has a hard time accepting she screwed up. Like in that episode she left Tim's HotRod outside while it snowed. She didn't even accept "Yes, i *beep* up, sorry" but twisted and turned it around to make it looks like Tim's fault.

In the later seasons when she goes to psychology class she immediately thinks she's a psychologist and annoys everybody with it.

Or when she tries to turn Mark into a girl. While that stuff is close to reality to day where a lot of young men act quite girlish and "transgender" is a thing, it isn't funny to constantly see her trying to get him into girlish stuff like Ballet while forbiding him to do things like Karate of the flying lessons.

Same with Jill when she discovered Brad and his girlfriend in her room. I don't know from what century the writers are but in the age of Brad everybody has Sex and it's perfectly fine and normal but the scene was just cringeworthy, prude and completely backwards (maybe not to americans because they are prude and live in the 50's)

The Problem is, those things aren't funny and don't come across as humourous. I think the writers just failed to make those scenes funny and therefore Jill comes across as a rather negative person.

Having watched the show a lot I think the problem with Jill is how stereotypical she is. She refuses to let Tim and the boys to watch action movies while she is around, hates sports, gets mad when Tim wants to watch a game of anything, makes plans with Tim without thinking of special sports events like the superbowl, and often gets mad at Tim for just acting how most guys act. Although I don't find her as annoying as everyone else she is written in this stereotypical way and often throws fits when she doesn't get her way.

Green Goblin is great! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1L4ZuaVvaw

I could not stand her as the series progressed. She was such an overbearing, bossy, demanding, bias, narcissistic jerk!
Unfortunately, this was the tone for many shows back in the 1990'5. Women were empowered, but at the cost of insulting men and making them out to look like dopes. Sad really.



I am surfing the Aunt Bee chatroom... I have officially hit rock bottom.