Why this movie is better than the Godfather. - No Holds Barred (1989) Discussion

[–] mlom99 21 years ago

Can I score some pot off you?

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[–] psycho_charlie666 21 years ago

Sorry, I don't do drugs. Don't need to. This movie has already freed my mind... It's the biggest trip out there. Have you actually seen it? Or are you just making an ignorant comment..

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[–] mlom99 21 years ago

I've seen it, and I'm a huge wrestling fan. And I found it laughable. But not in the good way.

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[–] psycho_charlie666 21 years ago

Ok, so you've seen it, but have you really SEEN it?? Understand what I'm saying? This film is not for the casual movie fan, it requires effort and patience to unlock some of it's deeper mysteries. Watching this while sitting around chugging beers with your buddies doesn't count (or smoking pot, in your case). You have to watch it with all your mental and spiritual faculties at a hightened state of alert, and you need to view it repeatedly to digest some of the headier concepts.
Anyways, my point remains, No Holds Barred is certainly better than the Godfather.

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[–] mlom99 21 years ago

So while consuming sensory bending substances, the film becomes a classic? Okay I believe I understand now. And I don't do drugs, that was just a Family Guy quote.

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[–] seeker78-2 21 years ago

That movie doesn't even have the poster filled and it isn't on DVD, not much demand for it I guess...also If you think Hulk Hogan is a better actor than, lets say Al Pacino, who was in The Godfather, I find it very hard to beleive you aren't using some kind of mind-altering substance. Indeed it was underated movie and at the same time The Godfather is overated, but it is definitely not comparable.

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[–] psycho_charlie666 21 years ago

I'm sorry, I'm unable to respond to such brilliant criticisms as "doesn't have the poster filled". You truly have a keen eye for the qualities that make a good film, and if you've decided against No Holds Barred, then I will bow to your superior judgement.

"I won't be around when this check clears!" - Rip

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[–] kcfan-3 21 years ago

psycho_charlie666

What else can I do but quote the film to you?

"I won't be around when this check clears!!!"

"Now, once again. This time...wiv fee-wing!"
Evan Kim - "Kentucky Fried Movie"

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[–] psycho_charlie666 21 years ago

I want that line written on my tombstone!
I already have it tatooed across my chest. It's definitely a lot more creative than "I'm gonna make him an offer he can't refuse".

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[–] rena165129 21 years ago

I saw this movie when it first came out. I was 12. I thought it was amazing!! I thought Randy (Rip's brother) was sooo cute!!

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[–] cpfh 21 years ago

I would have to agree that you don't need substances to distort your mind enough to enjoy this film. Just watching it will do.

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[–] SAVA1224 18 years ago

Psycho, I am not attacking or insulting you, I would really like to discuss this. I am a teacher of film art & history in MA. I am intrigued not only on your take on Hogan's film "No Holds Barred" but more so in your seemingly persistent declaration of its superiority to an artistic standard such as the Godfather. I will not deny that this an entertaining movie, but it is not really in the same league (I'm not saying it's not as good, that's not the point) as a piece of cinema history to the likes of the Godfather.

if you would - What are other films that you regard to be as well made as this (No Holds Barred)

Truly all opinion aside (only using fact and supported rhetoric) what makes this such a great film and superior to such a classic?

I'm not being sarcastic or condesending but inquisitive; would you consider the display of analytic depth and true exposition of the tortured self and complex ways of the human pysche to apply to something like Gigli or Showgirls more so than something like Schindler's List or The French Connection?

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[–] trymyproduct11 16 years ago

If you're a film teacher, you should be smart enough to realize the OP is being funny. As in, joking.

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[–] dru_mck 18 years ago

its a sh!ty movie

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[–] blacksun_moh 18 years ago

The OP's gotta point...

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[–] shark-43 16 years ago

You like Hogan's film - great but to than say it is better than the classic film The Godfather is just silly and foolish. The direction and the script in The Godfather is incredible - while the "script" in No Holds barred is cartoonish and simple and full of one-dimensional cliched characters. But hey - you go and fight your fight to get No Holds Barred up there at the top of an AFI list. (I enjoy No Holds Barred but only for its cheese factor - it is so badly made that it is unintentionally entertaining).

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[–] smoovasbutter 16 years ago

Everybody who thinks this thread is actually serious should really lighten up and get a sense of humour. You guys just missed the point of this thread. WE'RE JUST JOKING!!!! LOL

NO HOLDS BARRED = GREATNESS

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[–] seeker78-2 19 years ago

" by - psycho_charlie666 (Thu Jan 22 2004 13:25:26 )
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I'm sorry, I'm unable to respond to such brilliant criticisms as "doesn't have the poster filled". You truly have a keen eye for the qualities that make a good film, and if you've decided against No Holds Barred, then I will bow to your superior judgement."

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I just looked through some of my old posts and found the one for here. I don't remember what I meant by "doesn't even have the poster filled" but hey...it's still not comparable to The Godfather.

And you talk sh*t to me about my intelligence and my "superior judgement" and you're the one starting a thread about this childish movie movie saying it's better than another one that isn't even in the same category.

Get a life loser and stop jerking off to wrestling.

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[–] kersus 20 years ago

Okay okay, No Holds Barred was one of those movies I wish I'd seen. I haven't, although I hope to. Let's get one thing straight though. The Godfather is not timeless and is certainly highly overrated. Pacino is one of the worst actor's to make the big screen and I think even Terry "Hulk" Hogan has more range and ability. Whether No Holds Barred is better or not, I really don't know, but certainly the Godfather shouldn't be in the top 20 movies of all time.

Oh, and mlom99 - that initial pot crack took me off guard. I was laughing pretty hard.

Personally I think Hogan would do better in movies as a bad guy.

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[–] lesamourai27 13 years ago

With that, psycho charlie666 just became my favorite poster in the history of imdb.com. That said, have you ever seen Body Slam?

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[–] simply_rude 21 years ago

No Holds Barred gave us classic lines and scenes like:
Rip(after pulling the bad guy out of the limo) "What's the smell?"
bad guy:"doookieee..."
Rip(sniffing around and confused/irritated):"Dookie?!"
Would Pacino have the range and acting skills to pull off that reaction? I think not.

And what about the scene with the businessmen urinating in the trough at the scuzzy bar? When Stan Hansen confronts them. "What do we have here? A teeny wanger. And here's another one. Nothing but a couple of teeny wangers. You boys ain't even worth the trouble." Does it really get any better than that?What does the Godfather have that can match that? Nothing. And Brando is no Stan Hansen.

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[–] psycho_charlie666 21 years ago

Finally!! Somebody talking some sense on this board.
I was beginning to think the whole world had gone crazy. Thank you, simply_rude, for restoring my faith in mankind.

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[–] mattmaverick 21 years ago

"Harley n'me and you in the tree." is pure poetry. Furthermore, Rip really knows how to treat a lady. That thing with the bedsheet as a divider is class personified. Who wasn't touched when Rip tells Ms Moore "You build bigger walls than I ever could."? Deep. Yes.

No Holds Barred is a triumph of the human spirit. Just listen to the theme song. "You only learn the way you are inside when life gives you a test." "Will you step down, turn around or stand up with the best?"

This movie taught me how to be a better man.

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[–] psycho_charlie666 21 years ago

Who's not being serious?

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[–] torrens-1 21 years ago

It's so damn funny because it's so lame and Hogan ha no charisma and his acting sucks.

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[–] psycho_charlie666 21 years ago

Ok, so this guy's obviously not being serious.

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[–] cls_y2k 21 years ago

Yor mad not only are you mad but you are absolutely nuts! Whats next dirk benedict is a greater actor than al pacino for his roll in body slam the movie because it is better than taxi driver god I really want your drugs man dont lie hand them over!

ignorance is beneath you but thanks to the use of hallucinating drugs I see through you-Bill Hicks

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[–] Lbarfield 21 years ago

I was actually in this movie! It was filmed in Atlanta. I was around 10 then. I was in the scene where Tiny Lester comes down from the helicopter. Not that you care but you can see me standing behind Hogan lookingup. Saying No!No! I'm in the poster and on the cover too.

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[–] psycho_charlie666 21 years ago

Not that I care?!! Are you kidding me? You OWNED that scene. I'm mean Hogan was his usual brilliant self, but you made that scene work.
Now you're someone with first hand experience on this film, and can probably give a more informed opinion than most: doesn't this movie blow the Godfather out of the water?

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[–] colonel_inguss 21 years ago

I would have to agree with you Charlie.The Hulkster is clearly the greatest actor in the world.He has so many great films under his coat like Santa With Muscles,# Ninjas:High Noon At Mega Mountain,Perfect Weapon,and the critically acclaimed blockbuster NO HOLDS BARRED.After seeing this movie all I wanted to do was say my prayers,take my vitamins,and do the training.
This movie is clearly superior to The Godfather.All that was in the Godfather was a bunch of goons running around killing people.Did you see Pacino take out anyone with the feared double axe handle smash in the Godfather????No you did'nt all they did was shoot guns like a bunch of ham-and-eggers.The Hulkster can take out 4 or 5 guys at once without the use of weaponry,all he has to do is Hulk up.Can any other film stars do that?I did'nt think so.Does Pacino have 24 inch pythons?NEGATIVE!Can Pacino take punches from Andre' the Giant and not even flinch?I did'nt thinks so.Can Pacino ever look cool in black and red spandex?Nuh uh.

When you're nWo....You're nWo 4-life!!!!

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[–] awsandbe 21 years ago

Was there ever a better acting factory than the WWF?
Hogan, Pipper, Ventura, Zeus, Savage, and it goes on and on.
But I have to say that No Holds is great, but is it really better than Hell Comes to Frogtown? Rowdy Roddy --that's some range, that's a plot, and that's some serious direction, BROTHER.

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[–] lillerotta 18 years ago

"you made that scene work" hahahahaha priceless!

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[–] joshmassey 20 years ago

Lakeside High School, 1988. What a feeling to be part of a historical film.

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[–] lewis-b 20 years ago

WHAT THE HELL IS EVERYONE TALKING ABOUT? HOW CAN YOU SAY HOGAN IS THE BEST ACTOR EVER? ARE YOU ALL MAD!!!!!!

It is blatantly obvious from his performance in No Holds Barred that Tiny Lister is the greatest actor of all time. The depth of character he created for Zeus was enthralling throughout, and this great film wouldn't have been anywhere near the heights it reached without his subtle (yet deeply powerful) acting. It's just a shame that, even with wonderful, moving performances in films such as Friday and Posse, he was never able to recreate such an utterly awe-inspiring performance as he did in NHB. Also, the fact he was never so much as nominated for an Academy Award for this film proves that racism is still at large within this industry.

I'm not saying Hogan isn't an amazing actor, but he was well out of his depth next to someone who has devoted his entire life to the art of acting.

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[–] Phroggy 20 years ago

Huhuhu...
Thanks, this made my day !

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[–] ApeDosMil 20 years ago

I teared up reading that. Truer words were never typed and posted on a message board.

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[–] adeav7777 20 years ago

Oh my God.... i've pissed my pants with laughter. This is the best thread on IMDB by a mile.

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[–] Zombie2532 20 years ago

I've pissed myself, and cried, but I am certainly not laughing. This is just bloody ridiculous. Hogan's best performance was without a doubt Thunder Lips in Rocky III. That was classic. No Holds Barred is just....(((shudder)))

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[–] ApeDosMil 20 years ago

Clearly you've never seen Mr. Nanny. Now THAT is classic Hogan.

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[–] kersus 20 years ago

" by - adeav7777 on Wed Oct 6 2004 14:26:24
Oh my God.... i've pissed my pants with laughter. This is the best thread on IMDB by a mile."

It is certainly an entertaining thread. It's made me laugh quite a bit. This thread might be as good or better than the movie <chuckle>

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[–] joshmassey 20 years ago

Congratulations on starting the greatest thread in Internet history.

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[–] j-rock_exodus 20 years ago

I second that.

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[–] Viderum 20 years ago

The only reason why this movie didn't get any nominations is due to the fact one of the oscar judges lost in a match against Hogan. Since then that same judge has paid people to give this film 1's on sites like imdb and bad reviews. I for one believe this is a great film with lines like "Whats that smell... dookie?" the writing just speaks for itself. Pulp Fiction may have witty and clever dialouge but this film set a new standard for writing.

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[–] cwh812 20 years ago

Let us not only compare this great movie to The Godfather, let's make a case that this movie should have won the Oscar for the Best Picture for 1989. Here was the competition:

"Born on the Fourth of July"
"Dead Poets Society"
"Driving Miss Daisy"
"Field of Dreams"
"My Left Foot"

In my opinion, it is not only obvious, but irrefutably clear that NHB is a movie that stands high above these other movies. Hulk Hogan's acting far surpassed that of Tom Cruise, Robin Williams, Morgan Freeman, Kevin Costner, and Daniel Day Lewis. I think the other posts clearly show that the plot, screenplay, and acting of the supporting cast make this one of the greatest movies of our generation, let alone 1989. It should have won an Oscar for Best Picture. Any others agree?

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[–] berserkerolaf 20 years ago

I totally agree. Hulk Hogan, quite possibly the greatest character actor of all time, has not yet received the recognition that he so honestly deserves. Every single movie that he has ever been in has been a four star production yet he has still not gotten any recognition from his Hollywood counterparts. We should keep in mind though that Hogan does not choose scripts strictly based on who else is in the movie or who is directing it. Unlike most actors he doesn't have agents in his ear telling him what or what not to do. I'm sure Jimmy Hart is still there for him but he knows the Hulkster's limits when it comes to choosing the role that he is going to shape himself into. I heard on the set of No Holds Barred he made everyone call him Rip on the set and if anyone called him Hulk or Terry he simply would not respond. Now if that is not dedication to ones work I would like to know what is. Also, keep in mind that he had a whole other career outside of acting in the wrestling ring. Is DeNiro this multi-talented? What a hack this guy is. He's called one of the greatest of all time. I'd like to see him take a devastating suplex at the hands of Andre the Giant or the Cobra Clutch from the evil Sargeant Slaughter.

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[–] stormshadow_99 20 years ago

Its hard to believe that they teach wild strawberries, 8 and a half, 400 blows, citizen kane, breathless, seven samarai, the searchers, black sunday and dead of night in campuses around the country, but ive never heard of no holds barred being on the curiculum.

that is one of the reasons why they should shut down all film schools, here here, psycho_charlie666, you speak the truth.

top five best acting performances ever

1. hogan in no holds barred
2. frank stallone in barfly
3. hogan in suburban commando
4. hogan in mr nanny
5. tie marlon brando in a streetcar named desire/hogan in thunder in paradise

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[–] cursive_iz_king 20 years ago

One exchange in this movie makes it in consideration:

Hogan: What's that smell?!?

Bad Guy: Dookie!

Dookie! Ha ha ha! Gold, Jerry, GOLD!!!

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[–] Reanalt 20 years ago

This has gotten far out of hand.

What do you all consider good acting? The ability to deliver a line while wearing constricting pants? None of Hogan's movies have any redeeming qualities - especially acting. Marlon Brando could pull off a better performance asleep than the mindless dribble that the producers managed to put out with Hogan.

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[–] Reanalt 20 years ago

Have you actually seen the godfather?

I mean really, this is the biggest joke I have ever heard in my life. Now, I have seen every movie on the top 250 list, and unfortunately, quite a few on the bottom 100. The point is, when I began to warch NHB at a friend's house, I turned it off because the movie was too painful to watch. The acting may be stellar compared to other things Hogan and Lister have done, but it is no where near the ability that the cast of the Godfather has. To even relate these two to one another is media blasphemy.

Basically, No Holds Barred is not worth the film it was recorded on.

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[–] cursive_iz_king 20 years ago

How can you have watched all of the movies in the top 250 and still not have a sense of humor? There are some great comedies up there. Maybe give them another look, hmm?

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[–] Reanalt 20 years ago

Oh, I have a really good sense of humour for funny movies. One of my top three movies is The Evil Dead. This movie just isn't funny to me, purely because it's so cliche. Hulk Hogan was funny at one point, but that slowly lost it's appeal. Don't get me wrong, because I truly appreciate the hokey movie myself every once in a while (for the worst movie ever, find a copy of Cradle of Fear), but this movie just wouldn't be worth it if it was part of the recovery process from brain cancer.

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[–] berserkerolaf 20 years ago

I think by sense of humor he meant that you should probably realize that everyone on this board is joking. Do you really think people believe that Hogan is a better actor than Marlin Brando? Just by reading the title of this board alone you should have realized it was a joke.

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[–] leprishunter 20 years ago

Yennik, your theories on that scene have shattered my worldly views of cinema. Clearly, you are an officianado of the cinema. NHB is the greatest film of all time. It manages to mix action, comedy, drama, suspesne, and happiness into one magnificent piece of art. I never even bothered to see Godfather. Instead, I have and always will, opt to watch NHB instead. My god the Hulkamania flows through this film breathing life into every scene.
The Godfather pales in comparison. The dark dreary colors masking the poor set design, the horrid acting, the weak plot; it all is just pathetic. Compare this with NHB: Beautfiully constructed set designs, bright, fanciful colors, superb oscar-quality actings, and a plot which you can easily become absorbed in. Every secodn of this film you spend on the edge of your seat in anticipation of the hulkster beating someone down, either verbally or physically.
Also, if anyone else noticed that when the wrestling ring was destroyed, the hulkster was able to win the match and save his little brother. This scene exhibited insight into our modern society. Without the wrestling ring [corporate debt and control of the people] victory and happiness is obtained. The impact of the symbolism this film has is as if the rennaissance and the transcendentalist movement were somehow merged into one cinematic treat.

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[–] bad_habitt 20 years ago

Re: Why this movie is better than the Godfather.
by - mlom99 (Wed Jan 7 2004 13:09:50 ) Ignore this User | Report Abuse

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Can I score some pot off you?

HAHAHAHAAHAHA!!!!

i loled so loud.

power to you for that call.

"how about... a royal flush!" *loren avedon kicks a cauldron of boiling water into the bad guys*

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[–] trevelan006_99 20 years ago

This thread is - without question - the funniest *beep* I've ever read.

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[–] bad_habitt 20 years ago

i really wish i'd actually seen the film. i have heard of it since like 1993 though. and i was only 7 then. man do i want to see this movie.

"how about... a royal flush!" *loren avedon kicks a cauldron of boiling water into the bad guys*

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[–] psycho_charlie666 20 years ago

Honestly, I wouldn't put off seeing this movie any longer. I would hate it if you found yourself in a cultural discussion with some members of society's elite and had to suffer the embarassment of not being able to discuss the "teeny wangers" scene intelligently. In terms of career advancement, I can't think of anything more important. If you're in a job interview and are eager to show your refinement, I would drop as many dookie references as possible.
So please, go see this movie!!

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