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Why Did People Not Accept the 'Angry Bond' in '89 ?


As a teenager, I saw both Dalton Bond films in the theater. I distinctly remember, however, going to see License to Kill about 2 weeks after it came out in July 1989, and literally being the only person in the audience !

Alot of critics in 1989 complained that Dalton was too angry. But frankly, I don't see his Bond's personality as being much different than Daniel Craig, and his 2 films have been a huge success.

So why then did people not accept the "angry" Bond in '89 ? Were they not ready for him yet ?

Or perhaps it is simply like other people have theorized, that License to Kill WOULD have done better had United Artists released it in late 1989, instead of the summer, when it was killed by Batman and Indiana Jones.

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Same reason why the Brosnan films were so popular - for most casual fans Bond movies mean silly jokes and outrageous plots. Licence to Kill got lost in the shuffle in the late 80s-early 90s when there were dozens of hard-R rated action flicks. LTK may have actually been hampered by its PG-13 rating. Nowadays, with guys like Gibson, Stallone, Willis getting old and no "hard-ass" action heroes replacing them (it's all PG-13 rated superhero junk), all that's left is Bond so the series is now able to feed that desire for hard-hitting action.

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Absolutely, it was such a shift in tone it was hard for people who grew up with Moore to accept the changes.

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Pierce Brosnan was also for better or for worst, arguably the "please all sides" Bond (i.e. Connery's swagger, Lazenby's sensitivity, Moore's sense of humor, and Dalton's toughness). In other words, he wasn't 100%, "Mr. Intensity" like Timothy Dalton was.

LTK wants to compete w/ those aforementioned R-rated action flicks of the time but it lacks sophistication or "panache" (again, I blames this mostly on John Glen, whose workman-like directing style ultimately made things feel like it was "made for TV") as Leonard Maltin described it in his review.

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I think that people didn't immediately warm up to Timothy Dalton's interpretation of Bond (granted, he only had two films) because his Bond films were maybe too "reality based". They weren't exactly escapist, comic book style adventures like Roger Moore's Bond films or Sean Connery's latter (beginning w/ Goldfinger) ones.

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I agree. Personally I really liked Dalton's take.

For me, the angriest I ever saw him was in The Living Daylights, when he pops the balloon after his colleague has been murdered. The look in his eyes, is fabulous contained rage.

That's the Bond I want to see. It's all good seeing him laugh and woo the woman but his dark side would be a bad place to be.


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I also find it strange that people accepted Craig and not Timothy Dalton.

I actually felt the jump from light to dark bond was more drastic between Pierce and Daniel Craig. Sure Roger Moore was more campy than Pierce but when Timothy Took the role he still had some of the things which Made everyone familarized with Bond like the classic score, the girls, saving the day and ending things in a very cheerful happy ending.

His battles were more realstic and more regular Villains.
Timothy Dalton still had the good looks and charming personality of his two predecesors Bonds.


So i guess im just gonna say people werent ready for a dark Bond at all becasue if we talk about contrasts definitley Craig had the disadvantge here.
He was truly the whole Oppsite from Pierce and all his 5 predecesors.

This is why i love Pierce Sean Connery and timothy Dalton since those three are the ones who are in a perfect middle grown with yes Dalton getting closer to Craig but not enough to scare the audience.








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I do wish Timothy would have came back a third time since he was good in the role.

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It's the same reason why Heath Ledger's Joker would not have been acceptable in 1989. After the events of 9/11, and women being publicly raped in the super dome during hurricane Katrina, audiences are a bit thicker skinned, and will accept harsher "realities" in film and television. Honestly, do you think that TV shows such as Dexter, and The Walking Dead would have gotten screen time prior to 2001?

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Yeah - the whole 9/11 stuff. It really woke the world up. Then having to have secret agents seemed more relevant to the world - remember in 1989 the Cold War was near its end.

It probably helps things like 24 and Homeland as well.

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The 9/11 factor is likely a key factor for why something like Die Another Day (the first Bond film to be released after that event) felt extremely out of touch or out of place. A campy, or cartoonish, sci-fi flavored yet still "serious" spy movie like that simply wouldn't work anymore (or at least, immediately after that). It's also why I think the Austin Powers movies wouldn't exactly work today.

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No matter how angry they made Bond, this just isn't a very good film.

Horrible story and a wretched script. It's nothing like Fleming.

Was such a dissapointment after the brilliant Living Daylights






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I'm baffled as to why they released this film when they did. Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade was waning by then, but it came out when Batman was still going fairly strong and Lethal Weapon 2 was a direct competitor at the same exact time. When people had the option of an R rated violent action flick or a Bond movie masquerading as one, they picked the former.

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http://www.avclub.com/article/not-theres-anything-wrong-case-file-67-boat-trip-240620#comment-2833050865

Dalton was a good Bond who had the misfortune of following Roger Moore because the contrast was too jarring for some people who expected their Bond to continue to drop lame puns after watching someone meet a grisly death.

There are also people who think Moore was the best Bond, because the world is full of crazy *beep* maniacs who are out of their goddamned minds.


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It wasn't Dalton, so much as the uninspired story line, that killed the film. And it wasn't the contrast with more that hurt Dalton as much as the movies themselves. Look, Roger Moore could do a serious and realistic Bond movie; just check out For Your Eyes Only, possibly the most underrated Bond of all time. If Dalton had been given material like that audiences would have accepted him right off.

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http://debrief.commanderbond.net/topic/63475-the-consensus-on-the-negative-response-to-licence-to-kill/page-2#entry1265936

I too do not understand the love Dalton gets. Mr. Charisma he aint. I think our own Guy Haines - a Dalton fan - said that Dalton always seemed uncomfortable onscreen. Like others on these fora, I too think Dalton had no chemistry and was too glum and angry. And he never gave the impression he was comfortable with women, like he wouldn't know what to do with one if she fell in his lap.

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Until recently, I had never seen a 1980s...and thus, Timolthy Dalton James Bond film. Hence, I had always thought of Pierce Brosnan as the 'quintessential James Bond.' I now believe that Timothy Dalton is instead the 'quintessential' James Bond -exactly what James Bond should look like and talk like, etc. It's too bad he only starred in two Bond films. He probably was just starting to either find...or better yet had fully found his 'niche' as James Bond. Dalton doesn't seem nearly as 'talkative' as Brosnan or having much of a sense of humor...but he does seem to have a more true, sincere silent sincerity, more dangerous perhaps and confident...and more intelligent as well.

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