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Was Sir William Gull 'Jack the Ripper'?


The movie gives a pretty good argument.

Jack the Ripper cut up five women in the middle of the night in dark unlit alleys. He not only killed the women, but he precisely picked out body parts and displayed them in horrible ways that took very precise and expert work.

Ripper HAD to have been a surgeon, or possibly an undertaker, and he had to have been crazy. Why else would he have done what he did the way that he did?

By the way, this is my favorite Michael Caine movie :)

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I believe the real Jack was a local guy, just a man in the crowd. Someone the police might have talked to during a door to door. A witness, or a suspect. Someone who lived close to the crime scene, perhaps very close to the room where he killed Mary Kelly. He could very likely have practiced on animals before he started to murder humans.

He just vanished from the scene. Maybe he was killed in a bar fight or died of one of the many diseases of that day.

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I love how idiots watch one tv program or documentary that theorizes who the killer was and then proclaim that must have been Jack the Ripper because of all the awesome evidence they showed. Morons.

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Everyone loves a mystery. In case of Jack the Ripper you have one of the greatest unsolved mysteries. Yes, it´s amazing to see how many people proclaim to know who he was. One of the most stubborn is Patricia Cornwell, a lady who should know better than writing a book so poorly written with so much garbage evidence that you only can conclude she needed the hype, than picked her favorite suspect. The Ripper might have been Sickers after all, but her book is nowhere close to closing the case.
The Ripper of legend is clouded with vampire looking illustrations of a man in black with top hat, very gothic. But the man himself actually had to merge into the streets of Whitechapel in minutes, because he killed and mutilated the victims outdoors. He needed to get away in a hurry, being one of many in these alleys and streets. So I believe. To actually be just a man of Whitechapel. A regular looking guy, not rich, not very poor either, just a guy on the surface looking sane, but with this inner life of frustration, anger, exitement, adrenalin rush. With a growing lust for destruction, which finally ended with the Kelly case. Can you imagine someone more dangerous than that?

Still, it´s hard to understand and point out the serial criminals. The secret lives of these non humans are so twisted, the motives are so screwed up. They still get to us because we never would have guessed. Think about it. Think about the Fritzl case in Austria. A man holding his daughter a prisoner in a cellar for twentyfour years, raping her and fathering seven children with his own daughter. Nobody knew. These criminals blend into normality and fool us all, they don´t walk the streets looking guilty.

But then, I might be a moron, lowebotten? I agree to your post anyway.

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As Sir William was nearly seventy and had had a stroke, I think it is unlikely.

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Carl Feigenbaum was Jack the ripper
http://video.foxnews.com/v/4625623/jack-the-ripper-identified/

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Who really was the Ripper?

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Hi there,

In a word. No. Absolutely not. The "Royal Conpsiracy" (either involving Gull and/or Prince Albert) was created in the 1970s. It's a complete, if entertaining, work of fiction.

There is no way in the world the Ripper used a carriage, for instance. Various eyewitness reports (the most credible being of Joseph Lawende and Israel Schwartz) describe the Ripper as being a short, poor but neatly dressed, man in his 20s or perhaps early 30s, carrying a small wrapped parcel (i.e. the knife). He almost certainly lived in Whitechapel too.

Of particular interest to serious Ripperologists are these two suspects:

i) Aaron Kosminski (search for him in Wikipedia); and

ii) "David Cohen" (a pseudonym given by the police to East End Jews whose identity could not be positively ascertained), strongly suspected as being called Nathan Kaminsky:

http://www.casebook.org/suspects/davidcohen.html

If you are interested in my honest opinion, based on the cold hard facts of the case, without any kind of interest of my own in advancing a particular theory...I believe "David Cohen" is our man.

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No he wasn't. He suffered a stroke the year before the murders and was left semi-invalid. He died two years later, after a second stroke. And besides that, he was more than seventy years old at the time. Too old to go out butchering anyone.
Most of experts on the Ripper agree on the fact that there is no evidence to conclude that he was a doctor or a medical student. A butcher or anyone with basic knowledge of human anatomy could have inflicted the "skilful" mutilations. Also, quite probably he lived locally so he could disappear fast and safely after each attack, and he must have been a working-class man who could go inconspicuous among the crowds and whom the prostitutes would not distrust. A gentleman in full dinner suit, top hat and cloak (the way movies always portray the Ripper) would have stuck out in those slums like a sore thumb, and surely would have aroused a lot of suspicions.
The man was a serial killer. But in those days this kind of crimes was not yet acknowledged by the law and the psychiatric science as such, although they are as old as mankind.

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Read the book "Blood Stains". H.H. Holmes was Jack the Ripper...

1. Holmes was confirmed in London during the time of the Ripper.

2. Holmes writing samples have also been confirmed a match with the Ripper's by a professional hand writing graphologist.

3. Holmes was a doctor/surgeon and he was facinated with women's uteruses.

4. Holmes was a dead ringer for the Ripper composite sketches.

5. Holmes was a wealthy (through fraud) dandy dresser and was considered a ladies man. Someone a prostitute would not be afraid of.

6. Theories are abound that the Ripper went to the US and continued killing. Holmes was killing all across the northeast and midwest directly AFTER the Ripper stopped his spree.

I'm telling you, H.H. Holmes WAS Jack the Ripper.



"I don't want your watch, man. I want your friendship!" - Lightfoot

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If Holmes was in London at the time he might be a possible suspect. He was certainly a psychopathic maniac who nevertheless had a plausible "front", and a medical background.

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If it's still covered up to this day you know it was the royal family doing Kafka style experiments or something.

The fact the messages had double cockney meanings prove some evil intelligence going on.

Aka the writer meant one lie.. but knew it was ambiguous.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2432987/Jack-Ripper-Queen-Victorias-surgeon-Sir-John-Williams-claims-book-written-victims-descendant.html


So I think it wasn't Will Gull but the surgeon that replaced him as the The Queen's family doctor.

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Although Holmes matching the handwriting.. and modern day efit is interesting.. but wasn't another efit done that looked like a German lawyer or something?

If the American did it then why wouldn't the British Police just say so.


And the people that did the matching wouldn't put their name to it because the program would have to be rewritten to get a 100% confirmation/disconfirmation for the 1800s.


And in general serial killers 'love' their work.. they get the love feeling when doing the murder.. even though the one murdered feels fear.


So they always do it the similar way.

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