No Minorities - The Lost Boys (1987) Discussion

[–] liscarkat (19396) 4 months ago

Good old days. Although I do like it when the old movies have those tap dancing negroes.

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[–] curiousMInd101 (4567) 4 months ago

Yeah, those were the days. Although my favorite was when we didn't even bother casting negroes but instead we had White people in blackface like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9glvXLW1tw

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[–] ewd76 (1576) 4 months ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbX9U622I5Q

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[–] curiousMInd101 (4567) 4 months ago

I forgot about that one. It's hard to believe that this was made in the 80's and everyone was Ok with it.
Those were the days.

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[–] ewd76 (1576) 4 months ago

I don't think everyone was okay with it then but the internet has blown everything out of proportion.

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[–] curiousMInd101 (4567) 4 months ago

You're right; some people weren't okay with it, but those opinions didn’t matter. That's where we need to be today: a place where Wokes don’t matter, where we stop taking them seriously and just ridicule them.

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[–] Tam87 (1592) 4 months ago

The 80s was the last time that you would see a lot of big movies with all white casts. Stuff like ET and John Hughes flicks would be some notable examples of that.

After that I think Hollywood felt that you couldn't have a film without forcing tokens all over the place.

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[–] curiousMInd101 (4567) 4 months ago

The '80s really were great. You're right, though — by the '90s, we started seeing the 'token Black guy' trope show up. It wasn’t in every movie, and it didn’t feel like it was forced on us by some kind of mandate like today; it just became a Hollywood trope they thought worked. Maybe it did — I personally found it annoying, but I’m sure some people found it funny or felt it added something. Now today, I don't think any normal people likes forced diversity other than deranged Wokes. At best, people are indifferent, tolerate it, or are sick of it altogether.

By the way, it’s good to hear from you again. I haven’t seen you around the Politics board in a while, but I haven’t been as active either, so maybe that’s why.

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[–] chumbawampa (857) 4 months ago

... let me clarify your position just so I understand correctly:

You see black people in a movie and you are instantly offended? Why can't we have people of different races in movies? The 1980s was one of the worst decades for movies + music anyway. We don't need to repeat anything from the 80s.

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[–] curiousMInd101 (4567) 4 months ago

Let me clarify my position so you understand it correctly:

Due to non-stop exposure to Wokeness for the last decade I developed what some refer to as 'Negro Fatigue', as result I can only handle black people in small doses.

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[–] chumbawampa (857) 4 months ago

You're not fooling anyone with language like "Negro fatigue". Just be honest and just say the truth: You just dont like n*ggers.

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[–] curiousMInd101 (4567) 4 months ago

Yes, the correct term is "Nigger Fatigue". I just used negro because sometimes the post gets taken down if you use the actual word. Hopefully in this case they will leave it up since we are just talking about the word and not actually using it.

And it's not so much that I don't like them; I just can't stand seeing them on screen anymore. Watching them clumsily shoehorned into everything, forced down our throats, only to be labeled racists when we voiced our complaints — that's what really gave me "nigger fatigue".

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[–] chumbawampa (857) 4 months ago

you know, 'wokeness' isn't a thing. Hollywood studios just suck ass. That's all it is. That's why the movies now suck, and why they don't take chances, and why everything needs a black gay lesbian nonbinary woman in it now. Because what do you expect from the studios that brought us.. the Little Mermaid remake... The Alladin remake, and the Batman.......... Remake.

There exists good movies but Hollywood and their studio system rarely has anything to do with them anymore. Those studios are all run by ass clowns. It's always been that way. Only as time goes on, it becomes harder for directors to do anything original and it becomes entirely over produced garbage. That's Hollywood now. That is a result of it being an industry. You want to blame 'wokeness', that's an easy excuse. However, the studio system is fucked even if they stop casting black people like you want, and put entirely white casts. We still still have shit movies. Just think about it for one second and you'll come to the same conclusion.

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[–] curiousMInd101 (4567) 4 months ago

Wokeness is absolutely a thing. Today, writers' rooms and production companies are bound by standards and quotas that must be met. Gone are the days when you could have a room full of White creators making a movie for a White people with White casts — now, meeting the required mix of racial and sexual minorities is non-negotiable. These mandates reach across the entire industry. Just look at the Academy Awards' representation standards:
https://www.oscars.org/awards/representation-and-inclusion-standards

Here is the same for Disney which is why everything they produce resembles a UN rainbow coalition:
https://i.redd.it/s17zucs4ky5c1.png

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[–] Tam87 (1592) 4 months ago

https://i.redd.it/s17zucs4ky5c1.png

That's just discrimination. And will only lead to a massive drop in quality in film & tv.

Hollywood has been dominated by white men because they are the best film makers. It's just a fact. Look at the most iconic stories from Star Wars to Back to the Future to Godfather, "underrepresented groups" have not contributed anything close to these great films and they never will, no matter how many of them are forced in to replace all the white guys.

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[–] curiousMInd101 (4567) 4 months ago

That's just discrimination. And will only lead to a massive drop in quality in film & tv.

That's precisely where we are today. Nothing but low quality woke diversity trash. And even if they manage to make something good it's still diminished by forced diversity.

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[–] chumbawampa (857) 4 months ago

Back to the Future? That's your best example of white filmmakers?
BTTF is nothing more than 80s nostalgic nonsense. Fake 80s nostalgia for a fantastical version of the 1950s that never existed.

That's all that stupid movie was. Star Wars is an all time classic but I could care less about Back to the Future. I can't stand that franchise. It's nothing against MJF either, its just the most over-rated series ever.

As for "white filmmakers" being the best. Give me a break.
Three words: BATMAN AND ROBIN. White filmmakers are the best? I think not.

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[–] Tam87 (1592) 4 months ago

I picked Back to the Future because that's the film that everybody and their brother goes bat shit crazy for. I'm not much of a fan of the series myself, I think it's overrated as hell, but honestly I could've gone on for ages name dropping all the evil white male film makers that shaped the industry from top to bottom.

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[–] Tam87 (1592) 4 months ago

he 1980s was one of the worst decades for movies + music anyway. We don't need to repeat anything from the 80s.

In your opinion (which is fine) but hollywood is still remaking and rebooting 80s movies to this day. That era set the standard for how films are made. There is nothing like it in film.

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[–] chumbawampa (857) 4 months ago

Hollywood is remaking and rebooting EVERYTHING. Not just 80s movies. They are also rebooting Batman from only 5 years earlier, every 5 years. Rebooting Spider-man. Those aren't 80s movies.

As for the 1980s setting the 'standard' for how films are made?
You mean how blockbusters are made? Not actual good movies? That's all the 80s did. Invent the blockbuster. In fact, that was Jaws and Star Wars in the late 70s. The 80s didn't invent anything.

The only thing good about the 80s was when it ended and the 90s started. Now, THAT was a great decade. Everything about the 90s was a reponse to how stale and boring and over commercialized the 80s had become. The 1980s was just mullets and pro wrestling. The 1990s is infinitely better than the 1980s in every way.

And 80s movies sucked harder than ever, too. Indie filmmaking was practically non existent.

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[–] Tam87 (1592) 4 months ago

by the '90s, we started seeing the 'token Black guy' trope show up

My favorite was Vin Diesel being cast in Saving Private Ryan and pretending he was Italian just to get a quota in.

Another example was in the film 'The Ghost and the Darkness' where during the final hunt there was a black guy with Val Kilmer when in real life that never happened.

90s films became more race conscious when it wasn't necessary, especially when you knew it was historically inaccurate.

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[–] curiousMInd101 (4567) 4 months ago

It’s funny — when I look back at the ‘90s, I can’t say much bad about it. But, yeah, maybe that’s a bit of rose-tinted glasses, because I do remember complaining about the token Black characters even back then. I guess it didn’t feel as bad because it wasn’t in every movie. It was there, but it wasn’t so in-your-face and everywhere you looked.

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[–] Tam87 (1592) 4 months ago

The quality of films in the 90s was much better than now, even with forced tokens, so maybe that's why you still look back fondly?

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[–] curiousMInd101 (4567) 4 months ago

Absolutely. And it’s definitely not a case of rose-tinted glasses in this case because even back then, we were blown away by the movies coming out. I mean, just in that five-year stretch from '90 to '95, you had Pulp Fiction, Forrest Gump, The Shawshank Redemption, Groundhog Day, Goodfellas, Casino, Silence of the Lambs, The Usual Suspects, Reservoir Dogs, Dances with Wolves, Terminator 2, and so many more. There’s just nothing like that today — not in the last 15 years. We were spoiled back then.

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[–] Tam87 (1592) 4 months ago

T2 - that's another one lol. It's so obvious that Myles Dyson was supposed to be a white guy, but Cameron made him black when he realized everyone else he cast was white.

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[–] curiousMInd101 (4567) 4 months ago

Yeah, I remember picking up on that back in the early '90s. But at least Joe Morton delivered in the role. The heavy breathing during his death scene was actually his idea — he’d had a collapsed lung from an accident he had a few years prior, so he knew exactly how it felt and brought that into the scene.

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[–] Tam87 (1592) 4 months ago

No disrespect to the actor but no matter how good he was, it's obvious that Dyson was meant to be someone akin to the genius of J. Robert Oppenheimer i.e. a man who is potentially bringing an end to the human race through his own unique genius.

It just didn't fit to see that role being given to a token character, simply because you never see any of them in that kind of position throughout history. This ain't some 2bit hack like Neil MyAsse Tyson we're talking about.

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[–] curiousMInd101 (4567) 4 months ago

No, I get it, and I don't disagree — imagining a Black genius computer scientist feels unrealistic. They’re rare, practically unicorns, so when movies cast Black actors as some kind of pioneering genius and act like it’s just everyday stuff, it comes off as forced and out of touch with reality.

And fuck Neil deGrasse Tyson. They tried to paint him as Carl Sagan’s heir which is laughable. Sagan was a true master at making science accessible to everyone — gentle, kind, compassionate, and able to make you feel smart as you grasped profound ideas about cosmology, physics, and biology. Neil ‘MyAss’ Tyson, on the other hand, comes off as an insufferable know-it-all jerk who just loves the sound of his own voice.

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[–] Tam87 (1592) 4 months ago

None of the great minds that have shaped science and technology have been tokens. That's why you see minorities on social media trying to deflect from this by bringing up indians "inventing" the number zero or arabs "pioneering" algebra..... they were so smart that they just happened to do absolutely nothing with this knowledge, and then built shit countries full of the most annoying retards i've ever encountered.

MyAsse Tyson is clearly in his position because of his race. I bet you even the most mediocre of white scientists could run rings around him.

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[–] TandyMan (11349) 4 months ago

God said it was good.

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[–] BKB (11285) 4 months ago

There isn't one minority in this movie, however, because you brought it up, they'll make The LOST BOYS for a modern audience that will involve Vampires who are confused about their sexuality

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[–] curiousMInd101 (4567) 4 months ago

Actually, I did spot three minorities. At the beginning of the movie, during the scene showing the people of Santa Carla, there is a brief moment with three Mexicans standing on the street without their shirts on. Those are the only ones I clocked.

And unfortunately, you're right—if they made this today, I am 100% certain it would feature a rainbow coalition of sexual and racial minorities.

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[–] BKB (11285) 4 months ago

If they made it for modern day, the movie would morph into a Musical like JOKER 2

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[–] blue1981 (8176) 4 months ago

Remember when you could make a movie where creativity was encouraged and you could cast whoever the hell you want based on the needs of the story? I do and that needs to return if Hollywood has any chance of surviving.

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[–] curiousMInd101 (4567) 4 months ago

I remember. I miss the Hollywood of old.

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[–] ewd76 (1576) 4 months ago

Minorities aren't lost anymore. They're always around.

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