Today Lethal Weapon is better than Die Hard
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Growing up, I always found this to be popular. Lethal Weapon was huge where I was from growing up. It wasn't the first buddy cop movie, but it certainly made the "genre" mainstream. Ruah Hour and countless knockoffs exist because of it. I remember when parts 3 and 4 came out, people TALKED ABOUT IT. Black people, white people, whoever. It was something a lot of people had in common.
But I watched it over Christmas and honestly had troubled paying attention. Die Hard has by far become my favorite and it's way more popular in pop culture now. I'd like to give it another shot, because honestly I was on my phone and sometimes have trouble paying attention, but I've liked Die Hard more for years and I was always a Lethal Weapon guy growing up.
Murtagh is trying to put the flames on Riggs clothing out and Riggs shouts "Are you a fag or something?!"
Yeah. Lethal Weapon is trash. Die Hard is gold.
Uhhhh I don’t seem to remember the scene where Riggs asked Murtaugh if he’s a fag or something? Could you possibly point to the specific scene?
Also being politically incorrect doesn’t make a film trash, if you have other reasons for not liking Lethal Weapon then that is your opinion but even if this quote exists it doesn’t make the film trash by default.
When they go to see Dixie and her house blows up in their faces.
I didn't call the movie politically incorrect. It's loaded with right on moments and Riggs is supposed to be a cool guy. But this clearly shows the movie or its writers are two faced or just ignorant at best.
Or maybe they were just being realistic because that’s how guys talk sometimes
shareYeah the movie was trying to be realistic.......
shareLook kid, I’m not saying you have to be ok with the quote, I’m saying I don’t see any evidence that the director was trying to take a stand against gay people. That is typical guy talk, whether you agree with it or not it happens.
By your logic both Stanley Kubrick and Jack Nicholson are racists due to the N words in The Shining
Where the fuck did I say it was taking a stand against gay people?
"Typical guy talk" when a house has just blown up when you are standing feet away from it and you are showered in flaming debris?
That’s just how the characters were written and Riggs has seen enough explosions in his life that Dixies house blowing up wasn’t anything out of the ordinary for him therefore he wasn’t too freaked out
shareThe characters are written to be funny to the audience at times. And audience that is alarmed at a man beating (OMG touching!) another man's legs to extinguish flames that are all over him.
Lethal Weapon is lowest common denominator of funny with awkward right on messages about apartheid shoehorned into it. It's generally crap and sometimes it's trash.
It wasn’t mean to be a joke you idiot. It was meant to establish the characters and their relationship to each other.
shareSo it wasn't just guy talk in a situation like that? Special Forces and LAPD veteran Martin Riggs genuinely thought that Murtagh, the family man whose house he's been to, was copping a feel by slapping the backs of his legs seconds after they were both engulfed in flame and showered with burning debris?
shareNo he didn’t , it wasn’t a joke, it wasn’t a statement against gays, it was just banter between the two characters intending to flesh out who they are. You are looking way too into this, numb nuts
Just because a film doesn’t always take itself seriously doesn’t mean it’s trying to be funny
Just banter that's not meant to be funny? In the middle of an explosion? What the fuck are you even talking about?
I'm not looking any further than the fact that there's shit like this in Lethal Weapon but not in Die Hard. And that makes this trash while Die Hard is gold.
The truth is that Donner let Gibson ad lib lots of stuff and Gibson thought it would be funny to call Murtagh a fag because he's trying to put the fire on his clothes out. The kind of thing a fifteen year old thinks is funny. Especially in 1987 when homophobia was more popular.
So fuck you numb nuts if you can't have an argument without making it personal and then go brown-nosing another poster who chose to make it personal and homophobic at the same time.
I have clearly explained this to you you idiot, it was meant to establish what kind of guy Riggs was and it was being realistic because that is how guys often talk when there are no women around, they aren't being homophobic. The fact that you don't understand this is quite odd because I have clearly explained it to you. And there are all kinds of quips like that in Die Hard, like John McClane trying desperately hard to hide from the trained terrorists trying to kill him and he says "now I know what a TV dinner feels like", yeah Die Hard is just as unrealistice as Lethal Weapon. It's not homophobic, he never said he didn't like "fags", he just asked if Roger "was a fag".
Go find a cry room you loser.
Why are you sticking up for Riggs? Are you a fag or something? Is he your boyfriend?
shareLOL, now I see you aren't even attempting to debate the topic, I'll take that as your concession and it's clear I have dominated you.
Also I never "stood up" for Riggs, I never even said I condoned that comment, I was explaining what the director was trying to do when he left that line in you moron.
I feel like this is the same as the Robocop vs Terminator debate.
It's all about mood, as a few other posters mentioned.
Some days I'm in a Lethal Weapon mood. Some days, I'm in a Die Hard mood.
Some days I'm in a Robocop mood. Some days, I'm in a Terminator mood.
They're all equally fantastic, depending on the mood you're in.
I always preferred Lethal Weapon, although Die Hard is still a classic.
shareIt always was.
shareAt first, I was going to agree with you since Lethal Weapon, on the surface, is much more diverse. But then I realized the fat cop in Die Hard is black and that meets the diversity requirements required of all films as established by Al Sharpton and Sheila Jackson Lee.
shareDie Hard (1988) vs Lethal Weapon (1987)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dE143fenN-s
In this episode, we examine two films that launched classic action franchises. Directed by Richard Donner, produced by Joel Silver, and written by Shane Black, LETHAL WEAPON teamed Riggs and Murtagh together and redefined the buddy cop movie. In the other corner, DIE HARD, directed by John McTiernan, revitalized the action genre with star Bruce Willis as Officer John McClane squaring off against Alan Rickman's Hans Gruber on Christmas Eve. But which film packs more of a punch? Only one way to find out: FACE-OFF!share