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The Theatrical Cut is superior and is the definitive version of this movie


I consider all the Special Edition's additions of little to no value, and here is why:

Ripley's daughter - The goal of this scene is to establish Newt as the new daughter for Ripley. The first movie did not mention Ripley's daughter once, so this is kind of a neutral addition. We don't really need an explanation on why Ripley would try to protect Newt, any sane adult would do the same. Watching the SE, no one ever said "oh, so that's why!" - this does not add anything to Ripley's character. It was a good decision not to have it in the TC.

Hadley's Hope scenes - We don't really need them. I would even say that these scenes are harmful to the overall experience. It's much better to only see the colony in the aftermath of the alien infestation. Seeing HH operating normally cheapens the impact of the tour of the marines later in the movie - as we have already seen this place, and the buildup is ruined.

Newt's family expedition - This scene has no surprises, since the second they go to the derelict, we know what is going to happen. And it destroys the revelation which comes later, that Burke was the one that sent them there. The way it is built up in the TC is genius - we don't really think about "why now" until Ripley says that she looked up the orders and Burke sent them there. Not that shocking, but the revelation scene is full of raw emotion, impactful and effective. But it loses much of its effect in the SE - the audience just goes "yeah, I know that they were sent there".

Hudson's bragging - Bill Paxton is great, but this scene is just too on the nose. Even without this, the hubris of the marines is evident and well established during the movie. At best, it's a neutral scene, I don't miss it at all.

Hinting at the queen - Maybe the most iconic single shot in this movie is the queen revelation - and the impact is ruined if a queen is mentioned in the dialogue beforehand... The TC was right to omit this.

Ripley and Newt extra dialogue - This scene tries to payoff the buildup of the daughter scene, but it's really not needed to understand the character dynamic between them. Oh, and this:

When Ripley tucks Newt into bed, Newt asks about her family and if human babies come the same way as Chestbursters. Ripley, of course, says that it's very different.

This... this is downright silly...

The sentry guns - The sentry scenes cheapen the threat, as the aliens keep on swarming the chokepoints, mindlessly for a while. In the TC, they seem like much more sophisticated, as their first course of action is to come from the ceiling. So I don't mind it's not in the TC.

Ripley and Hicks first name exchange - This is kind of meant as a romantic moment between them, but we completely understand their relationship with the scenes given in the TC - so this is not needed.

Ultimately, the TC is superior for me, mainly because how perfect the buildup until the point we witness the hive. The fact that the marines are late to the party, and that we did not see the normal operation of HH beforehand, creates a unique atmosphere where it's up to the viewer's imagination to piece together what exactly went down. All the HH and the Newt family expedition scenes only cheapen this impact, which is counter-productive.

As I have shown, the rest of the extra scenes also don't add virtually any value. My conclusion: the TC is the best version of the movie.

Feel free to agree or disagree and add your thoughts.

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The Theatrical Cut is superior and is the definitive version of this movie


It always is. For every movie.

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Deabatable. For Terminator 2, I think the Special Edition has extra scenes that are valuable for plot and characterization and extremely well executed as well. So I am gladly watching the SE for T2, and there might be more examples...

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I like the new scenes in both Aliens and T2 but for me they turn already lengthy movies into even longer films and pacing is paramount in action films.

It's similar to Cameron's The Abyss which is less an actioner and more of a straight up Sci-Fi, meaning the extra scenes add a lot of depth to the characters and story and thus make it a better film, along with the new ending, but it pushes the running time to 3 hours and it's just too much imo.

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We are in 100% subjective territory now, but since the scenes are good and valuable, T2 cannot be "too long" for me, it is an experience, not "just a movie" :-)

I remember being disappointed by the Aliens additional scenes - more is not always better though.

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I liked getting more of Hudson and Sentry guns in Aliens, but the theatrical cut runs at a perfect pace. I think directors cuts are just for the fans who like to see more of their favorite films.

I personally would just prefer to see the theatrical cut and watch any extra footage as deleted scenes on the dvd/blu ray special features.

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Nah.
I think you are right on the money with your OP about Aliens.
But the same goes for T2, that little extra stuff in the SE is not needed and rightfully cut out of the real movie.

I was glad watching that extra stuff for Aliens too, it's all well executed and adds more lore to the universe it creates, but comparing the two versions, the Theatrical one is superior.

TBH, 95% of the times these "special" versions are just gimmicks to get people to buy the dvd or bluray: most of them owned the vhs already, so it's all just a ploy to shell out for a movie you already own.
To me, it was enought to say "this dvd/bluray looks better than what you already have".
Anyway, what I'm saying is that these scenes are cut out of movies for a reason, and 95% of the time it's because the final cut of said movie is better without them.
I rarely appreciate a Director's cut or extended cut, usually when there's something fishy with the production (for instance I like the SE of Dune, as Lynch's vision was seriously compromised in post).

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OK, then let me defend ONE scene from T2 - the T-1000 glitching at the end, grabbing the guardrail, then snapping back to normal. By 1991 standards, it's another amazing technical achievement, how they got the guardrail's texture just right, and this bit adds to the audience's understanding, that the villaing could not 100% bounce back from getting frozen, then blown to a million pieces. It nicely ties into how "Sarah's" legs are glitching into the floor... and I think seeing that is also better if you see the guardrail bit first.

The other extra scenes, I can let go - Reese in the dream, the T-1000 figuring out the name of the dog, the smile, turning on the learning chip (although I think that one is also integral to the plot, and explains how the Terminator understands why people cry for instance), but I would die on the hill of the T-1000 glitching scene :-)

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Apocalypse now redux is better than the theatrical

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yup.
I've watched this extended cut exactly once. no need ever again.
twas NEAT to see more of the scenes in that universe, but it all dragged it all down SO MUCH, to me.
too slow, too much pointless filler, no thanks.

sometimes, some scenes just don't serve pushing the story along very well.

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