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Relying on the 'clock tower' makes no sense


To completely bypass the fact that it's not a TOWER of any kind, let's think about this.

Why would they have to rely on the "10:04 pm" lightning strike, when they know there's going to be a lightning storm that night?

Couldn't Doc make some kind of system to simply harness the storm in some way, to LURE IN the lightning bolts, so they don't have to rely on ONE SPECIFIC lightning bolt, but they could actually have constant lightning at their disposal, or at least time-independent activation of the time machine?

Couldn't Doc ALTER the design so the car doesn't have to be going 88 mph for it to time travel? I mean, WHAT rule forces that weird limitation anyway? Why 88 mph, why movement?

I mean, if old Benjamin Franklin was able to get lightning lured into his kite and key system, surely 1955 Doc could devise something more sophisticated.

Also, couldn't doc create some kind of 'lightning container' so he can just use that power at will at any point he wants?

Also also, all this lightning stuff should make Doc think using a hard-to-get, rare substance like radioactive plutonium might be a bad idea, and he could research for powerful alternatives OR make the energy requirements somehow much smaller? Perhaps he could finally stumple upon Nikola Tesla's inventions and deservedly trash that business cruelty engineer and businessman edison's picture and replace it with the ACTUAL INVENTOR and TRUE GENIUS called 'Nikola Tesla'.

In any case, it's not the clock tower that's important - if the clock tower can lure in lightning, SURELY other things should be able to, too. Just like in 'The Terminator (1984)', Sarah or John are NOT the important things, it's the INFORMATION on how to destroy the machines and how to be a leader that can inspire people to 'smash those metal mrfrkgrs', that's important - movies always stick to one rail when it's clear that it's not the most important thing or the only way.

Clock Tower lightning bolt is NOT the only possible lightning bolt in that thunderstorm. It's a damn THUNDERSTORM, and he's supposed to be an INVENTOR - why couldn't he easily invent OTHER, more effective, activatable(?)-at-will, super-efficient and better than clock tower lightning rods that would lure in the lightning, even if he has to install them near the clock tower?

Why is this really hare-brained stupidity his plan, when he should've utilized the knowledge of a lightning storm in a MORE BROAD WAY instead of just trying to utilize ONE known lightning bolt? Doc should have some idea just HOW MANY lightning bolts happen in a 'terrible lightning storm', he should have a way to HARNESS those lightning bolts at will.

Heck, he could build a much higher and better 'lightning rod' into the DeLorean that DIRECTLY lures in lightning from the storm! That way, all they would have to do is to drive around the storm area 88 mph and at some point, the lightning would come.

No need for such an IMPOSSIBLE timing just to harness one SPECIFIC clock tower bolt. And yes, it IS impossible timing, when you do the math - how many meters will an object move in a QUARTER of a second if it's going 88 miles per hour.. it's mind-boggling (I forgot the details, but I did do the math, and it's QUITE A DISTANCE!!)..

There's NO WAY even in modern times anyone could get that kind of timing SO perfect a 'lightning-speed bolt' would enter the DeLorean's systems.

The timing of the hook touching the cable and the timing of the bolt - to synchronize these is just impossible without enormous luck and coincidence. Even if the wire remains electrified for a full second, I would still bet against it, no matter how meticulously you plan it. Only if you have some synchronized robots doing the driving and no wind resistance and so on, and you have calculated it as precisely as possible, it could MAYBE happen, but I doubt it would still be unfeasible and improbable because of the fluctuation of the acceleration and all.

The car can travel SUCH a long distance in one second, that if you hit the wrong second, it just won't work. Also, the wire would not be electrified for a full second, so basically even if the hook hits the wrong quarter of a second, it wouldn't work.

This improbability should've made Doc devise an alternate plan. You have a huge thunderstorm, surely you could utilize that fact more intelligently as a genius inventor.

Or you could decide to not steal plutonium in the future = problem solved. But whatever, movie's gotta movie, I guess.

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The vacuum tube technology of the day would have required Doc to take over a small town to have room enough for the contraption. Ever see the first computers? I don't mean abacuses either.

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Well that was pointless. Why are you going on about making these posts? This is the 3rd one I've seen like this. Do you really hate Back to the Future? Are you trying to be funny? Trying to practice debating? Something else? I don't get it

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Some people just have too much time on their hands.

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Car needs to be going 88. They have the luxury of knowing the exact moment if a lightning strike.

Are you suggesting Doc can control not only where a lightning bolt will strike, but exactly when? Lol

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George bush can

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average movie fan brain do not work in same way yours do. they do not think about thing like this, it too complicate. they accept the film explanation. it works.

what i like to know is why biff is hanging out in mcfly house at end of film when he rape the mother in car earlier? do mcfly like to keep rape men around? thats what makes me think.

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when he rape the mother in car earlier?


It was the 50s.. Today, a wolf-whistle is a violent rape, but in the 1950s, a rape was sex without consent. Biff was wrestling with Lorraine in the front seat when George punched his ticket to neenaw land. Both were still clothed - Biff never raped Lorraine.

After George became the defacto BMOC, Biff became a shadow of himself at school and the assault was quickly forgotten. It was some time later when Biff became friends again with George and Lorraine.

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"Biff was wrestling with Lorraine in the front seat when George punched his ticket to neenaw land. Both were still clothed - Biff never raped Lorraine"

yes. but he was prepare for rape. maybe not rape but attempt rape, rape in action, or rape stopped before rape. he like brock turner & 20 minutes of action.

i find scene very heavy for familys film. i dont undertand why biff go from typical toughs man to rape man in family film. it do not feel right. out of place. i would not let man who try and rape wife/mom near home. i get restrangement orders. but mcfly family invite attempted rape man back to home? hahahahahahaha!!!!!! forgive biffs maybe, but have him hang around and lurk in garage?!? hahahah!! i think they write script and no think this throughs hahahah.

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There is a huge difference between someone who attempts a rape (will concede the point that that was Biff's intent and not just a grope-fest) and one who actually "accomplishes" one.

Same with people who kill someone. Plenty of people have been moved to the point of killing if they could accomplish it. If they are prevented, they are NOT the same later as if they managed to actually kill someone.

In other words, people change once a significant life event occurs, be it raping, killing, stealing, cheating on a spouse, etc. That's why someone who fires a gun at someone with the intent of killing them (and missing) gets a minor sentence compared to one he would get if he was a better shot and killed the other person. People who accomplish a murder are different than the person they would be if they were a lousy shot and missed.

Assuming Biff never raped anyone before Lorraine, he would not be the same person as if he did rape her. Take George as an example - if he had swung and missed at Biff and Biff pounded him into the ground, George would have gone on to lead the life of mediocrity he did in the original timeline. Because he landed a simple punch that took down Biff, he became a whole different person - he probably stopped being a peeping Tom! Both those characters became completely different people because of one simple well placed punch.

For that reason, I'm inclined to accept the film's premise that the interrupted grope-fest in Doc's car was quickly forgotten after George became the school hero and Biff became the loser.

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good posts, strntz. i enjoy read it.

yes. you are corrects. allowing human second chance to change is very good messages. giving chance to become new person. geroge stop being perv & wuss, biff stop being attempt at rapists.

my only problems in back to the future is at end when marty is in garage. suddenly biff come out of nowhere in garage and surprise marty from hiding place behind car. this mean biff still stalking in shadows among cars, likely waiting for larraine. he still have rape gene!! very hard to get rid for biff!!!

if i george and larriain, i forgives biff for his car behaviors, but i not let him around home where he can hide in shadow of my garage!

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The timing of the hook touching the cable

that bit has always struck me as ridiculous.
The plan should have been doomed the minute the car didnt start - he was milliseconds behind from then , so plans a write off.

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What's ur time tracel,fantasy?

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