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Why didn't Skynet cover weapons in living human tissue?


Couldn't they have sent the first T-800 back with a Phased Plasma rifle (in a 40 watt range) covered in living human tissue?

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Strategic Simplicity: Skynet’s strategy was to send a T-800 back to kill Sarah Connor with a weapon that could be easily obtained in 1984. The T-800 was a weapon in itself, with immense strength and durability, capable of killing with its bare hands if needed. This made the mission less reliant on future technology that might have drawn attention or been difficult to use in an unfamiliar time.

Camouflage and Integration: The T-800 was designed to infiltrate human society, and carrying an advanced weapon might have blown its cover. Using contemporary weapons made it less conspicuous and allowed it to blend in more effectively.

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I assume they had limited amount they could send. Cause why not just send ten terminators at once.

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Reese told Sarah that Terminators (T-800s) are the perfect killing machines.
so Skynet pretty much just sent one of their dudes thinking it'd be enough.

and it would've been enough.. if it weren't a movie.

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Yep. In reality it would all have been over very quickly!

Terminator -- 2
Sarah Conner -- 0
Kyle Reese -- 0

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Because terminators are infiltrator units! They are supposed to blend in with humans. Can you imagine a man carrying a phased plasma rifle in LA streets and shooting with blazing lasers? People will call the police immediately, on the contrary, if a man carries a gun and shoots people on LA streets, nobody will care.

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They are supposed to blend in with humans. Can you imagine a man carrying a phased plasma rifle in LA streets and shooting with blazing lasers?

So, then why did he ask for a phased plasma rifle in the gun store?

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Skynet has a bigger brain than Terminators. Skynet is like a marshal, while Terminators are like soldiers. A marshal would be smart enough to know that using a plasma rifle could hinder the mission, while a terminator isn't that smart.

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But you said in your post that terminators are infiltrator units. This is something they should know.

Skynet has a bigger brain than Terminators. Skynet is like a marshal, while Terminators are like soldiers. A marshal would be smart enough to know that using a plasma rifle could hinder the mission, while a terminator isn't that smart.

Is this something I missed in the movie or is it something you have just personally inferred?

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Which part? Is Skynet smarter than Terminator? It's common sense. The movie clearly states that the enemy is Skynet, which means Skynet is like a marshal who controls every robot. And the movie also clearly states terminators are infiltrator units. Why would robots put the same brain power in infiltrator units as Skynet? If anything, there are reasons why you shouldn't put the same brain power in terminators, because an infiltrator unit can be caught by humans, which happens in Terminator 2, humans capture a T-800, so it's a risk of reverse engineering.

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An infiltrator unit should know at a minimum how to blend in. It's the very definition of an infiltrator. Why wouldn't it have the knowledge of what physical equipment is or is not appropriate for its mission?

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Why would a terminator that invents after a nuclear war know everything about the old world?

Even without a nuclear war, most people, even gun enthusiasts, didn't know which weapons were made in which years. Americans love guns, but I dare you to ask 10 Americans the question: "Was the AR-15 released after or before the end of the Cold War?" I dare you most people wouldn't know the answer.

The Terminators were built for future war, it made no sense why would Skynet teach them "Which gun was released in which year." I dare you the military didn't teach that even in The Navy Seal, the most elite combat unit. What is the benefit of teaching the soldiers which year the guns were made?

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You said it right there in your first post. You even included an exclamation point! Because terminators are infiltrator units! This is important information for them to "blend in" according to your own post.

Let me get this straight.

> Skynet won't send a plasma rifle back through time with the Terminator, because it knows the plasma rifle won't blend in.

> Skynet does not provide this information to its infiltrator unit because... it doesn't need to know that? Do I have that right?

edit: you're analogy here doesn't make much sense. You're referring to humans with limited memory and recall, that take time and effort to memorize things vs a machine that is programmed. The Terminator had detailed schematics of the tractor trailer gearbox, so that he would know how to drive it, but he wouldn't have basic knowledge of weapons? Come on.

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Why would that be important information to blend in? Can you name a spy agency that teaches its spies "You should remember the release year of every weapon?"

Did the CIA teach their spies who infiltrate Russia to remember the release year of every gun manufactured by Russia?

Did the KGB teach their spies who infiltrate the USA to remember the release year of every gun manufactured by the USA?

Human or computer, my analogy still remains. Why would a terminator know the "detailed schematics of the tractor-trailer gearbox"? Because it's important information in a future war. Why would a war set in the future stop using old cars from the old world? The Mad Max franchise was also set in the future after a nuclear war, all of the cars in the movies came from the old world. Why? Because after the nuclear war, the old cars are the main source of transportation. It will become more important information in the future, so terminators can repair and use cars to chase humans.

And you "that take time and effort to memorize things vs a machine that is programmed."

What makes you think a machine doesn't need time and effort to memorize things? Does your computer, a machine, have unlimited space to store information? When you copy or move files on your computer, it doesn't take time to rewrite its memory?

It still wastes time and space on machines. If your assertion was true, why doesn't every smartphone come with a full Wikipedia date on them by default? It takes time and space!

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Wow. What a bunch of absolute nonsense.

"Why would that be important information to blend in?"
Because terminators are infiltrator units! [again, your words]

One of the first things he did was to acquire weapons. It was one of the primary tasks in his mission. Knowing what weapons were available and what should/could be used is important to that task.

"Why would a terminator know the "detailed schematics of the tractor-trailer gearbox"? Because it's important information in a future war."
Um, no. There are no tractor trailers rolling around in the post apocalyptic future war.

The rest of your post from there is even more irrelevant. Transferring data in a computer is orders of magnitude more efficient than a human memorizing facts. Especially when that information is critical to the mission of the infiltrator unit.


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Which part of the movie showed you "There are no tractor trailers rolling around in the post apocalyptic future war." Just because the movie didn't show there are tractors?

Which part of the movie shows you "that past didn't have laser gun" is critical information? In the movie it doesn't matter, he killed the owner of the gun shop.

Yes, computers are better than humans in memory, but it still takes time and space. Like I said why doesn't every smartphone come with a full Wikipedia by default?

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Which part of the movie showed you "There are no tractor trailers rolling around in the post apocalyptic future war."

The part where he was dreaming of his past trauma, in the car, near the construction site.

Did you even watch the movie? Or are you intentionally trolling?

Yes, computers are better than humans in memory, but it still takes time and space. Like I said why doesn't every smartphone come with a full Wikipedia by default?

Why does every smartphone come loaded with the apps essential to their primary function? You've ignored my explanation and my example, so I won't give it again.

Which part of the movie shows you "that past didn't have laser gun" is critical information?

This is laughable, because this is your assertion. These are your words: "Because terminators are infiltrator units! They are supposed to blend in with humans. Can you imagine a man carrying a phased plasma rifle in LA streets and shooting with blazing lasers? People will call the police immediately" - as an explanation why he didn't come through with a plasma rifle in the first place. Jesus.

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Just because a soldier didn't see a tractor-trailer in a war doesn't mean there are no tractor-trailers. By your logic, most soldiers didn't see a tiger tank in WW2, so there must be no tiger tank in WW2.

The Terminator doesn't need to know not to use laser guns! Because he was sent by Skynet. The Skynet knew he couldn't acquire one!

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It’s explained by Reese that the plan by Skynet to send the Terminator back was a desperate, last minute Hail Mary after they’d already lost the war.

As in, they he Resistance had blown their defense grid and were battering down the door as soon as they saw the T800 go through the Time Displacement Equipment. Then they sent Reese through after it and blew the whole place.

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One hole in the plot I always considered was the Terminator's power source. If it's running on some kind of nuclear fission reaction, you would think all he'd need to do is get close to Sarah Conner and he could just detonate himself, IMPOSTOR-style.

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