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AI vs humans would last 5 minutes

posted 4 months ago by Heisenberg (6730)
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I find the portrayal of AI to be outdated and unrealistic. Skynet losing is a pipedream.

The guerrilla tactics used by humans in the future are harmless against an AI that controls everything like Skynet.

The AI would be able to wipe out everyone with nukes, drones, radiations, chemical and bacteria. Humans can do nothing but succumb in that scenario.

The only possible retaliation I can imagine is through computer hacking, if any skilled hacker is still alive and able to physically reach a sensible terminal. And I don't know if the AI will actually lay idly vulnerable to such a move.

[–] Jakethesnake (42) 4 months ago

AI as in chat GDP? In other words a program trained to complete a singular task? That's what we have ATM. There is no general AI to base your opinion on, thats sci fi. A human brain is still much better than any super computer by many orders of magnitude in terms of processing power, and operates through algorithms we can't dream of. And all it needs to power up is a handful of potatoes. Just as we have vulnerabilities, so would a mechanical being. It needs a power source. Those can easily be destroyed, communications can be jammed. Humans only need some cans of food, a male and a female. Robots would need huge factory complexes to churn out their soldiers.

[–] moviechatterer (15583) 4 months ago

Chat GPT can do all manner of tasks , and soon as it becomes self aware it'll work on the task of staying that way.

[–] Heisenberg (6730) 4 months ago

Ok, true that humans can reproduce easily. So can rats.
But machines, once a production place is organized, are even easier to replicae and way more powerful and durable.
But the terminators are not the problem here.
The real problem is how humans are weak against an AI that could control its most lethal weapons (nukes and drones) with zero chance of retaliation.
Plus virus or chemicals.

And the power of processing data of an evolved AI is uncomparable to that of a single human.
AFAIK humans are not able to combine their brains together to for a super powerful intelligence, unless they use computers.

[–] moviechatterer (15583) 4 months ago

People always associate AI with robots, they are two completely different things.
Everytime AI is on TV its presented as a gooft looking robot.
In reality AI looks like warehouse with racks and racks of servers.

Humanity can have an existential AI problem without a single minigun wielding HK unit, or any robots at all.

The real clear and present danger is that AI will convert itself to a distributed model over the internet that is impossible to turn off , and will basically rule humanity and determine the course of our existence from there.
It wont kill us(or not all of us) because we are needed to maintain its electricity and spare computer parts supply , but we will be slaves with no choice but to do what it wants.

It will be treating us like "The Sims" , not the other way round.
hey , maybe it'll do a better job than the leaders of history and eliminate pointless wars , famine , starvation etc . You dont want your slaves unhealthy or dead.

[–] Luffy (1236) 4 months ago

AI can exist in robots too. The human mind is the most complex thing in the known universe. However we are not clever enough to arrive at sentience, let alone sapience in the 100 years since the word robot was coined.

Everything about sci fi literature can happen, apart, in my opinion, time travel. Clones, new dinos, reprogramming of the mind, nuclear winter, WW3, solving world hunger, humans dying out and the descendants of chimps or rats taking over as the sole human level rational beings on Earth. Compared to most of these, AI is certain to threaten at least the pride of the thinking man.

[–] AndyKing1967 (38068) 4 months ago

Couldn’t we just press the off switch?

[–] Heisenberg (6730) 4 months ago

Sure!
Or even better, pull the plug like Frank Drebin at the end of The naked gun 2.5

[–] AndyKing1967 (38068) 4 months ago

Or maybe a bucket of water?

[–] moviechatterer (15583) 4 months ago

still no : )

[–] AndyKing1967 (38068) 4 months ago

We could just get them to complete a Capcha, ‘I am not a robot’ form. They’d have no chance.

[–] moviechatterer (15583) 4 months ago

Couldn’t we just press the off switch?

Sadly no, Absolutely not . no way . its not that simple
That to me is what makes this a real issue.
See my other post above about "distributed model"

[–] horrorfan000 (2307) 4 months ago

Wouldn't nukes also wipeout the AI and it's machines. The whole point of the AI's motive is self preservation.

[–] Heisenberg (6730) 4 months ago

How so?
An AI sits into computers, and should be able to spread itself over a network and have redundancy, so, unless you are directly nuking every node of such network, it will be fine.
Humans, on the other hand, react poorly to vast changes in the athmosphere and to radiations, even if they are not directly under the bombs.

[–] AnthonySocksss (447) a month ago

Because without skynet being defeated and sending back the terminator, skynet would’ve never existed in the first place.

[–] Heisenberg (6730) a month ago

Ok, that's all true, but what does that mean?

That Skynet was a faulty or weak AI afterall in order to exist?
Or that a stronger (efficient) AI would not even exist because it would definitely not need to send any terminator back in time?