Akroyd in black face...



I was offended but not surprised. What did surprise me was how accurate his Jamaican Accent was!
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It was 1983. People weren't wrapped up in the whole politically correct business as they are today & in recent years. I'm sure it offended some people back then, but it wasn't treated as a huge outrage as it would be today.

You have to take the times into consideration when viewing older movies that may have material that is not considered politically correct by today's standard & let being offended slide off your back.

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On SNL at that time, Eddie Murphy did a whole skit where he went out in public in "white face", acting, per his perception, white, and talking, also to his perception, white. Was the OP offended at that? Probably not and probably thought it was funny.

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I love it how every time such a topic arises on these boards, the reply posts come in saying something to the effect of "Oh, get over it. That was then."

Well, if you don't acknowledge it for what is, it will be "then" again. Heck, people are still saying that in regards to recent movies.

I Now Pronounce You Chuck and Larry being a recent example, with all the rebuttal posts saying "Aw, come on, don'tcha know straight guys performing in gayface is funny." Uh, no; it's a tedious and lazy excuse comedy.

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You can't go back & change history. I'm not saying it would be alright to say such things today but it wasn't considered such a big deal back then. What is so hard about understanding that?

There are so many films, TV shows and even cartoons that have material in them that are considered controversial today--do you want to go back & censor them all because some may be offended today??

Shows like All In The Family, The Jeffersons, Good Times & films like Gone With The Wind, The Jazz Singer, Imitation of Life through to something like Trading Places were made during times that were different than today--what is so hard to understand about that?

People today are out there LOOKING for things to be offended by in my opinion. I went through my teen years in the 80's as a gay person and trust me, I know what it's like to be on the receiving end of inappropriate comments & jokes and plain ignorance & fear, especially during those early years of the AIDS epidemic.

But even so, I would never want the history of that time changed in any way, be it Eddie Murphy's insensitive comments about gays & AIDS in his Delirious concert or the depiction of gays on TV in the likes of Jodie Dallas on SOAP or Stephen Carrington on Dynasty. If I hadn't been exposed to those things or went through what I went through, I wouldn't be who I am today or where I am today.

If you want to exert effort being offended by something that happened in a movie or TV show that's years in the past then go right ahead & knock yourself out. Even offensive moments in our history need to be preserved so that an accurate mirror can be held up for review. I look at reviewing the past as a way for me to truly appreciate my present & how far things have come.

And it's closer to "then" now than many realize today and it is certainly not the fault of decades old films or TV shows. It's the current crop of things on TV in the movies and on the Internet that are the real threat of returning things to places we don't ever want to go again.





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Hear, hear, mtaylor-54!

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I'm not saying it would be alright to say such things today but it wasn't considered such a big deal back then. What is so hard about understanding that?

How do you know it wasn't such a big deal "back then"? Where's your proof? Jeez, it wasn't such a "big deal" about segregation until MLK stepped up and did something about it, right? Just because from your point of view it's not such a big deal doesn't mean that it wasn't.

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Well personally, I think it should still be okay today because it's just comedy. People really need to grow a thicker skin and stop getting their panties in a twist over everything nowadays.

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When it comes to humour- anything goes.Acceptable then is acceptable now and vice versa.

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Shut up. If you don't like it, don't watch it.
There was nothing racist or insulting about it. It was done tastefully and only the most brainwashed sensitive and neurotic people will find it offensive.
The problem is with YOU and how you interpret it.
People try so hard not to be racist they end up being bigots.

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I think he's had too much of that cockamamie cigar smoke.

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Hahaha
I'll say...

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Get a life. It was a disguise to trick the bad guys! Millenials are the stupiest generation in human history.

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personally i thought it was hilarious.

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I guess Soul Man is an acquired taste then.

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Soul Man is deffo an acquired taste. It's certainly not remembered as a classic.

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did "white chicks " offend you too??
are you black and think only black people can use black face and call each other n!gger? thats not equal treatment ... that special treatment.

in other words, get a life, a funny bone and brain.

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No, White Chicks did not offend me and it didn't offend your white ass either. Mainly because this country does not have a sordid and disgusting history of disseminating racist images, attitudes and perceptions of WHITE stereotypes. Every immigrant group and minority has been stereotyped but the history of prejudice, hostility, and ignorance towards black people has insured a unique longevity to the stereotypes. White America's conceptions of Black entertainers were shaped by minstrelsy's mocking caricatures and for over one hundred years the belief that Blacks were racially and socially inferior was fostered by legions of both white and black performers in blackface. THAT IS NOT THE SAME FOR WHITE PEOPLE SO YOUR 'WHITE CHICKS' ARGUMENT DOESN'T FLY.

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1st.. i am not white..
2nd.. bla blha blha blah blah...

if you think its not ok for a white actor to use black face.. but ok for a black actor to use white face.. then your a racist looking for special treatment.

plain and simple.

stop making bullcrap excuses and own up to it.

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And you have to look at what's actually happening in the scene. Beeks knows Winthorp by sight and they were looking for a way to get him on that train undetected. Their imaginative and slightly psychotic brains thought, "Oh, two Jamaican dudes! He'll NEVER see through that!" If only the Harvard-educated Winthorp would've realized what a crappy job he did at the application! He didn't even say "Nanga Iboko" right!

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This is the most relevant point. Dan Aykroyd's character in make-up was mocking the racist views of the middle-class, conservative Clarence Beeks. Louis could not be seen without a disguise because Beeks had been in prolonged contact with him so Billy Ray and Louis thought that Louis's Jamaican act would fool Beeks because he would consider a Jamaican the same way he would consider a white. Why they didn't think the fact that Beeks had seen Ophelia's face was a problem is something of a plot hole, though.

The film is a morality tale against racism, the bad guys who assume that black means bad are either corrected (Louis) or punished (the Dukes).

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haha what i find funny is that you say white people as if we are all the same, clearly you dont know your american history. EVERY single immigrant group got blasted when they first entered America. Go look up how the irish and italians were treated when they first got to the country. Although that changed over the years so has the preception of black people to the american public.

o and im jewish btw keep talking to me about upset you are of the preception of your race, when jews have been lambasted for thousands of years because we have a different conception of god.

So go back to your ignorance whole, as someone said on this board you dont want special treatment you want preferred treatment.



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Blacks in America owned white slaves. In fact, a black man was the first to legally contest emancipation because he wanted to keep his white and black slaves. Anthony Johnson, a black man was among the first men in America to have his lifetime ownership of a servant legally sanctioned by a court. William Ellison, also black, owned 63 black slaves, making him the largest of the 171 black slaveholders in South Carolina. In 1830 there were 3,775 free black people who owned 12,740 black slaves.

You are ignorant/stupid and over emotional. You ignore the plight of oppressed people based on skin color. You are a racist.

It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt.

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Any time a non-black person puts on cosmetics to appear black it's "black face." Whenever a non-white person puts on a white disguise it's just makeup. I can understand calling actual "black face" from back then (as in a loooooooooong time ago, a.k.a the actual black face) because that particular use/look is distinct and definable. But applying it in every case is a bit much. Ironically, doing that may actually be perpetuating some racist tendencies more than fighting them.

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Exactly, this was not black face. At all. This was not problematic at all. He was pretending to be more authentically black, not some awful stereotype. I have a bigger problem when movies have corny white guys try to act black by acting outrageously stereotypical with stupid slang. Or even when black people in comedies have to act obnoxiously stereotypical. Both of these examples can be seen in that awful Queen Latifah and Steve Martin movie. No one was protesting that movie.

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"I have a bigger problem when movies have corny white guys TRY TO act black by acting outrageously stereotypical with stupid slang. Or even when black people in comedies HAVE TO act obnoxiously stereotypical."

I emphasized your word choices. So, white guys are responsible for their actions, but black guys are somehow forced to do things?

Do you see what you are saying? Do you see how racistic it is against white people?

The ones with victim status always have more social and political power - their power is the facade of weakness. White hetero man's weakness is the facade of power.

So what you are saying is: 1) Boo, evil, bad, white guys who TRY TO act like black people! but 2) Boo, evil bad white guys, who FORCE black guys to act stereotypical!

It's a lose-lose situation for white people.. do you see it in your post?

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Offend? FFS. I like how no one is allowed to poke fun at the black race but it's fine for the brothers in White Chicks to poke fun at white chicks.

I'm white, White Chicks never offended me. Why? Because it was just a *beep* movie!

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Anyone offended by this hasn't got much going on in their life and is just plain silly. Got a feeling you do things others find offensive. Get a life.

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His Caribbean accent wasn't particularly accurate, kept slipping into a sort of Indian twang!

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Seriously some of you people need to get lives if this really offended you...It was hilarious - I thought so back in 1983 and still do in 2012. Just for the record - Landis said that the studio execs were very concerned about it but until the mixed preview audiences laughed hysterically at it then it was a non-issue...Funny I don't remember Black boycotts of this film do you??? I'm pretty certain that most of us got the fact that it was a comedic sequence in the context of the story not an Al Jolson minstrel thing???

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