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Is it me, or is Gary really creepy?


I mean, come on.

He walks into the ice cream place and basically leers at Karen.
Because of this, I now know what term leering means (thanks Gary).

Later, he lets the air out of her tires so he can give her a lift to school, a move a young Ted Bundy would certainly appreciate.

He then goes to a party and starts drinking JD straight right outta the bottle, long before Slash made it fashionable to do so. - I also like the fact that his buddy then leads him to his own car after he is clearly wasted, in order to drive himself home - whatta friend.

Not to mention he's the one doing all the measuring in the 'one with the biggest tool wins the pool' pool.

Even Ruby the whore thought he was a creep.
I can't blame her.

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I love this post!!!!!!

Gary was creepy.....but I heard in real life the actor is gay so he probably turned up the creepiness to overcompensate for his homosexuality. Just sayin'.



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I KNEW IT!!! Watching the movie, I pegged him for gay at a few different points. Steve Antin who plays Rick in this movie is also gay. Now THAT would've been a plot twist! Gary & Rick see each other's junk in the locker room and suddenly go full-on bros before hos!

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This thread http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0084234/board/thread/167694266

and this one make me think how loosely defined "stalker" and "stalking" are compared to 20 years ago.

I was 13 when the movie was released in theaters, and I was 14 or 15 when I actually saw it on HBO in my home with a few friends. NOBODY said anything negative about Gary airing Karen's tires or checking her out at the Golden Bird (that was the restaurant where they hung out). I mean he's a teenage young man checking out a girl. What's wrong with that?

I know I sound like an old man: "back in my day that wasn't considered stalking" but, it wasn't. I'm 44 now and I'm guessing most of you are under 30. Stalking is when you follow a woman around who has made it clear that she wants nothing to do with you, not using inventive means to meet her. Maybe Gary was too shy to approach her directly. It's reaching the point that soon it's going to be considered stalking if you ask a woman at a nightclub to dance.

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I'm about the same age you are. I remember thinking he was a loser when I first saw it, but not so much a stalker, at least not by the standard of those days.

He paid money to get her address, then let the air out of her tire. That may seem romantic or cute, but nothing to be all that worried about, but he did more than that. The part that got to me was when he went out to the football field to try to interrupt her with the other guy. That was a bit too far. It's not like he had anything other than selfish reasons for wanting to break that up.

Then, he helps her pay for the abortion, which would be a nice move, except that he did it thinking of it as a way to get closer to her, which failed.

I just watched this the other day for the first time in 30 years and I think it's a lot creepier now than it was then. I'm not the kind to complain about gratuitous nudity, but I think they went too far showing her naked in the abortion clinic. That might have been too far.

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I like how he goes to the bleachers because he hears Rick is going to *beep* Karen there.

What was he gonna do, stop them?

"Hey you two aren't allowed to have sex!!"

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Hey, sometimes a guy has to do what a guy has to do to get the hot chick. Letting air out of her tires, acting as if you're cool and grown up drinking JD out of the bottle, sharpening your knife on a wet stone all night ...

IF I CAN'T HAVE HER, NOBODY WILL!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm kidding btw.

How far is too far? I mean, he wasn't going to harm her. Sometimes you have to make it work or create a situation, and YES, you sometimes come off as akward and weird not being yourself when you like someone.

I remember liking a girl so much and being so nervous talking to her I lite the filter side of my cig and began smoking it, wondering why it was so harsh. LOL

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Just watched this for the first time in many years...I was 12 in 1982, so I wasn't far off in age from these characters. I actually did see this in the mid-80s, and though I could definitely relate to it (I remember people like the Ricks and Davids and Garys and Karens very well), some of the nuances and subtleties were lost on me at the time.

The thing about Gary that I think is being missed here is that, at his age, there's a tendency to fall in love with ideals and images, rather than with real people. He is not really in love with Karen; he is in love with the idea of what he thinks Karen represents. Starting with her 80s beauty (complete with mad eyebrows), he has concocted a "Karen" in his mind that isn't really based on who the real Karen is. Like many of you have pointed out, he doesn't really know her that well, but due to the Karen he has created in his mind, he thinks he does. His "love" for her had much more to do with what Karen represents to him than who Karen actually is to him. Part of this fantasy in his head was him thinking riding on his white horse to save the day was going to win him the girl, and that they'd just live happily ever after. I don't think he was creepy as much as he was just young and falling prey to youthful mistakes, and learning the hard way that life doesn't always dole out happy Hollywood endings.

As for Karen, there will always be people of BOTH sexes who think he or she will be the one to get past the hard exterior of the male and female Ricks of the world, and think that there's some prize that awaits them for going through such hells. It takes time and experience and getting hurt multiple times to realize that some people simply don't have treasures waiting to be discovered and aren't hiding hearts of gold. Sometimes, underneath it all, some people simply aren't nice or wholesome and never will be.

Though this movie is low budget and not full of great acting, what it does capture well is adolescent mistakes and moments of truth. Gary may be stung initially, but he will learn that Karen is simply not all he made her out to be, and that love can't be bought or built on fantasies. The funny thing is, had Karen chose Gary, after the initial euphoria of having won her would've worn off, I think Gary would've been disappointed in time...he would've seen that the real Karen would not have measured up to the Karen he put up on his dream pedestal.

As for Karen, she will learn the hard way that the challenge of trying to get to Rick's sweeter spots (which probably don't exist) will end up in endless heartache for her. The Ricks who have everything come easily to them usually have to get knocked down hard before they even think of changing themselves and realizing that they are capable of hurting the people foolish enough to care about them. Who knows if and when that ever happens to Rick.

But the ending is very believable...the nicer guy often loses, and humilatingly at that, and the jerk appears to "win", at least for the moment.

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Very well stated. But going to the stadium because you found out Karen and Rick were having sex there is going into the creepy zone .

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@ap2768...Gary's actions and behavior weren't always appropriate, for sure. He did have his issues, and his perception of reality was off, due to his being immersed in fantasy Karen.

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The sappy Commodores song they were playing when Gary was going to spy on them having sex didn't seem appropriate so I turned down the sound and played W.A.S.P.'s [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y09iIv9dXk8] Harder Faster[/url]

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A very insightful and truthful post on the 3 main characters in the film. And it's so true about Gary's feelings for Karen: it wasn't about love, but rather that utter infatuation with the pretty girl that so very many teenage guys have throughout their adolescence. And you generally tend to idealize the person whom you are infatuated with instead of being able to see the true reality of who that person actually is. I think this happens to most teenagers, and even to many adults as well.

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That was excellent. Well done, eolson.

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i really like this analysis.. Spot on.. I had a similar experience as a kid.. I didnt dislike Karen for not chosing Gary, if you arent attracted to someone you just arent, that cant or shouldnt be forced.. I was mad at Karen for not telling Gary the truth, and for being stupid enough to go back to Rick instead of chosing someone else maybe..

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I remember seeing this movie 31 years ago in a movie theatre. I saw it again recently on cable. It's not a great movie and there's alot of bad acting but in spite of all the comments about Gary, I did feel sorry for him when he catches Karen and Rich back together after the abortion. I ended up hating Karen.

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Yes, Gary was very creepy. That was the point of his character.

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You know... when I was a teenager in the 80's and saw this flick, I never thought of Gary as being creepy, stalkerish, etc, but looking at the film now I definitely see him that way!
I recently imported the blu-ray and watched it with my wife. She's a few years younger than this film and had never seen it. One of the first things she said about Gary was "it's creepy the way he's staring at her".

I recommend getting the blu-ray if you are a fan of the film! It's great quality and has some nice interviews with cast and crew.

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Having seen this movie back in 1983, I didn't get a "creepy" vibe from Gary, and I still don't. What I've always gotten was shyness, awkwardness, and desperation. I guess it makes sense that younger viewers watching this film for the first time might find Gary's behavior off-putting in some ways, but the world was a much simpler place back in the early '80's; his character probably seemed much more sympathetic to audiences in 1982 than today.

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^This is exactly the way I see/saw it too. Couldn't agree with this post more.

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