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if there was no sequels..


I think this would be seen as the Deliverance of the 80's. Its a shame Stallone rockyfied it
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Yeah it’s a much different film that the sequels and in all honesty First Blood has a lot more in common with Platoon than it does with Rambo: First Blood Part II

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lol. Deliverance is a taut suspense thriller, all character driven and atmosphere. First Blood is the opposite.

From the moment John Rambo escapes from jail, it's balls to the wall action for over an hour straight.

First Blood was a game changer for the action genre. It literally changed how action movies were shot and edited from then on. Everyone looked at it for inspiration, from James Cameron to John McTiernan. Action films as we know them started with First Blood.

I don't know where people are getting this idea that this film is like a Platoon or Deliverance? This film has Rambo blowing up towns, doing wheelies up a gorge, jumping off cliff faces, taking down an entire police squad single handedly, jumping blockades with an army truck and hunting the sheriff across town. This is action 101.

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"First Blood was a game changer for the action genre. It literally changed how action movies were shot and edited from then on. Everyone looked at it for inspiration from James Cameron to John McTiernan. Action films as well know them started with First Blood".

Sorry but this is nonsense. None of the action scenes in this film match any of the action scenes in either The Road Warrior or Raiders Of The Lost Ark which both came out a year earlier. And Cameron cited The Road Warrior as his biggest inspiration for The Terminator.

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None of the action scenes in this film match any of the action scenes in either The Road Warrior or Raiders Of The Lost Ark


I meant that First Blood kicked off the R-rated action genre golden age headed by Stallone, Arnold, Willis, Van Damme, Seagal, Lundgren etc.

The action in these type of films was not inspired by a PG summer adventure movie for families (Indiana Jones) or a downbeat post apocalyptic series (Mad Max). They were inspired by the imagery of a muscle bound, one-man army wielding a giant M60 machine gun and taking on the entire US military and police forces single handedly.

That is what audiences saw in action films from then on, from Arnold in Commando to Bruce in Die Hard. That all started with First Blood. It may not have necessarily been the best action film, but it was a trailblazer that effectively dropped a nuclear bomb on the genre.

And Cameron cited The Road Warrior as his biggest inspiration for The Terminator.


James Cameron co-wrote Rambo II. If he had a key role in creating the sequel to First Blood, then that means he was actively inspired by it. Cameron did not write any old film that came along, that's evident by his filmography. He had a clear investment in the series and would not have done so if he didn't think First Blood was an important film.

In the recent 'making of Aliens' book, Cameron specifically talks about Rambo and the intensity of the action scenes and how impressed he was by them. The last section of Aliens with Ripley on a rampage with a large caliber weapon is very similar to end of both First Blood I & II. To say that Cameron was not inspired by First Blood, a series he literally got involved in, is absurd.

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"I meant that First Blood kicked off the R rated action genre".

Fair enough but in your previous post you just said action movie. I still stand by the fact that the action in this film is bland compared to RW and Raiders though so it's no surprise that they frequently appear on Greatest Action Movies lists while this doesn't.

"To say that Cameron was not inspired by First Blood, a series he literally got involved in, is absurd".

I didn't say that. I said the action scenes in RW was his biggest inspiration for The Terminator.

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so it's no surprise that they frequently appear on Greatest Action Movies lists while this doesn't.


From the action polls I've seen, the top picks are always Die Hard, T2, Predator & Aliens, with First Blood generally in the top 10. I only pay attention to the R-rated polls, though.

If you think the action in First Blood is bland then that's fine, nothing wrong with your opinion. From what I've read, the film was seen by audiences as being something much different from the norm in 1982, and as a result became a sleeper hit during the quieter autumn/winter season, which would not have been the case if the action was generic and slow.

the action scenes in RW was his biggest inspiration for The Terminator.


What's interesting is that First Blood was re-cut from 2 hours plus down to 90 odd mins, which Stallone did so as to limit Rambo's dialogue while he did all the action and the other characters in the film (Trautman & Teasle) told the story. This had the effect of driving the film along at a much faster pace.

Cameron did the same for Terminator, giving Reese and Sarah all the talking while the Terminator went tear assing around doing the cool action stuff. Cameron even had Reese giving expositional dialogue during chase scenes.

Normally, I'd dismiss that as a coincidence between both films, if not for Cameron's involvement in the second Rambo. So I'd say First Blood was an inspiration for Terminator's action as much as any other movie.

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I'm glad the sequels were made. Otherwise those POWs would still have been in those Vietnamese prison camps, and Col Trautman would have never been rescued after being captured by the Russians in Afghanistan

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Stallone seriously lost his way, creatively, in the mid-eighties, and stayed lost the rest of the decade. I never cared for the sequels (until Rambo in 2008), because the action was way, way over the top. First Blood was more grounded; Rambo is a super soldier, but he's not superhuman; he spends most of the movie hiding and evading, and at one point he's even almost taken out by an idiot weekend warrior lieutenant with an M72 LAW. By the 2nd movie, he's become a man who can parachute into Vietnam with a bow and arrow and singlehandely wipe an entire regiment of soldiers off the face of the earth. Schwarzenegger's Commando was just as over the top, but the one-liners and quips and comedic takes essentially winked at the audience and said "hey, this is just good fun; don't overthink it, just enjoy the ride." And that worked. The Rambo sequels, OTOH, used the same absurdly over the top action, but kept the dark, serious tone of the first movie, which was about a heavily traumatized soldier's inability to fit back into society.

The Rocky sequels got worse; 4 was over the top, and full of comic book politics; Rocky 5 sucked. Stallone's version of Beverly Hills Cop -- 1986's Cobra -- was just awful, with more of the over the top action, and all the macho, 80's action hero tropes and cliches dialed up to eleven. Stallone's attempt to compete with Arnold in the action-comedy genre with Oscar and Stop or My Mom Will Shoot fell flat. It wasn't until Demolition Man in 1993 that Stallone started to get good again.

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What does rockyfied mean? Google doesn't recognize the word

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