Every girl that has seen this movie or sees it when I let them borrow it always end up disliking it. Never even saying the art or the fringeness of it was good or at least respecting it. They always seem to hate it and say the usual that it degrades women and shows them as slaves to men. I really don't remember seeing the "slave" part. I'm convinced that these girls just turn the show off after "DEN" and don't watch the rest. These girls do realise that the final story has a WOMAN save everything and shows her as strong and heroic right?
They tell me how unrealistic this show is. Well I guess all other movies are totally realistic right? I was always under the impression that all women had gigantic breasts and that everything in the movie was just "normal behaviour".......lol
You just don't know any mature, self-aware women. Real women aren't bothered by cartoon chicks with huge tits any more than real men are bothered by cartoon strongmen with huge muscles. As soon as a woman uses a phrase like "degrades women" or "shows women as subservient, blah blah blah..." you can immediately disregard her opinion as regurgitated neofeminist propaganda, and dismiss her cognitive skills as immature and undeveloped.
Nearly every woman I know personally either enjoyed Heavy Metal or had a neutral reaction to it, but then all of us have degrees in real subjects rather than "women's studies", and none of us socialize with brainwashed bimbos who derive their beliefs from magazines and parrot inane pseudoscientific drivel in the mistaken belief that it makes them sound strong and enlightened.
Well i'm only 22, so maybe most of these "girls" I'll call them are just still a bit immature.
I just find it strange that their boyfriends are allowed to treat them like garbage and they're "cool" for it, but me enjoying this film automatically makes me a misogynist.
I just find it strange that their boyfriends are allowed to treat them like garbage and they're "cool" for it, but me enjoying this film automatically makes me a misogynist.
Well, of course; their personal lives are governed by their emotions and psychosexual patterns, which are biological and therefore difficult for brainwashing to affect. But their response to a movie is an intellectual matter, and since these girls have immature and stunted intellects they are unable to form valid opinions of their own. They therefore just open their mouths and vomit out the garbage they have had crammed into them by the neofeminist establishment.
I know several girls of roughly your age (mid-20s) who like this movie just fine, but they are from the Deep South, where neofeminism has never succeeded in gaining much power.
You misunderstand, Underdone; it's not a matter of liking or disliking it but rather one of claiming to dislike something not on its own merits or due to one's own preferences, but strictly because one has been taught to dislike things that violate certain arbitrary (feminist) rules. It's exactly as though a religious fanatic claimed to dislike a movie because his preacher condemned it as "sinful". See what I'm saying?
You just don't know any mature, self-aware women. Real women aren't bothered by cartoon chicks with huge tits any more than real men are bothered by cartoon strongmen with huge muscles. As soon as a woman uses a phrase like "degrades women" or "shows women as subservient, blah blah blah..." you can immediately disregard her opinion as regurgitated neofeminist propaganda, and dismiss her cognitive skills as immature and undeveloped.
What a stupid thing to say. This film objectifies women and that's the reason why women don't like it. Simple as that.
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It must be nice to live in a world that's so simple. But don't you ever get frightened that other inanimate objects - say, books or chairs or stones - will magically turn you into an object, too?
Your logic is not complex either. In fact it's very simple:
"soon as a woman uses a phrase like "degrades women" or "shows women as subservient, blah blah blah..." you can immediately disregard her opinion as regurgitated neofeminist propaganda, and dismiss her cognitive skills as immature and undeveloped."
Your dumb absolutist belief that if any woman desires to stand out as something more than a sexual object, she is an immature feminist, is part of the reason why women have been only a shadow for the most part of human history. I'm glad your retrograde way of thinking is only shared by an uneducated minority. I'm sure whenever your redneck husband hits you, you gladly respond with something like "It's okay Earl, I deserved it". I'm assuming you are a woman because of your user name.
No one's saying that Mrs. redneck. All I'm saying is that your absolutist belief is dumb and retrogade and I'm glad you are a minority in today's society.
I wonder, can a woman ever be "a sexual object..." and more besides? I don't see why not. Nobody ever tells men "you can have sexuality, or you can have everything else."
Why should men be able to have it all, and women can not?
I disagree with you, but I'm pretty sure you're not Hitler. - Jon Stewart
Nearly every woman I know personally either enjoyed Heavy Metal or had a neutral reaction to it, but then all of us have degrees in real subjects rather than "women's studies", and none of us socialize with brainwashed bimbos who derive their beliefs from magazines and parrot inane pseudoscientific drivel in the mistaken belief that it makes them sound strong and enlightened.
Excuse me? I've never seen this film, but your ridiculous dismissal of anyone who challenges the fact that there's too much emphasis on female nudity in practically every kind of media in existence is just plain stupid,frankly. "Neofeminist propaganda"? What the hell is that supposed to be? Bottom line is, women have the right to not like something in which once again female nudity is exploited. And to say that anybody who espouses feminist beliefs is a "brainwashed bimbo" is really too far out there---funny how a lot of you anti-feminists don't realize or don't even know how feminism actually changed a hell of a lot of things for women in this society, and even easier to dismiss feminism's accomplishments of one's never had to fight for basic rights as a women like the early feminist pioneers did. And,yeah, "women's studies" is a worthy avenue of study,particularly when you look at the incredible changes women have undergone in the past fifty years alone. You yourself may have no need for feminism, but it certainly made things a hell of a lot easier and improved a hell of a lot of things for women in this society today, and you sure as hell don't have to put down anyone who dosen't agree with you about it and call them stupid.
And so what if some women like to stay buttoned up---that's their issue, not yours. You being comfortable with having been in a profession that included public nudity dosen't make you better or more intelligent than anybody who dosen't want to do that---it's simply something you chose to do, and it's pretty damn arrogant of you to think that it does.
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I'm a woman and I didn't think much of heavy metal either. The gratuitous female nudity did get very old very quickly, but the underwhelming script and roll up paper thin storyline was just as off putting and made it a painful watch.
Heavy Metal is as eye rolling as the suggestion that if you found the needless sexualization of the women exasperating you must be some sort of radical feminist Nazi.
Since the commencement of a web site about Taarna in 2002, I have been fortunate to receive several e-mails from women (and men) who indicated that they were positively influenced by the Taarna figure, and felt that her character was praiseworthy. Several messages have also been posted by people who either named their daughter after Taarna, or by women who were named Taarna by their parents, an additional indicator that the sequence had a positive impact on some people. As one father stated, "I hope one day [my] daughter . . . will see the tale of her namesake, and will grow to be good and strong just as the original Taarna was."
In my opinion, the reaction of those who have seen this movie is more a reflection of the views they held about women before watching the show than of any innate quality of the movie itself. That having been said, anyone who has read about the production of this film knows that Ivan Reitman and those who worked on the 'Taarna' sequence made a deliberate decision to give her a voluptuous figure in a revealing, leather outfit. While this was certainly consistent with the tone and content of the Heavy Metal magazine, it reveals that the producers were not above an appeal to our baser instincts in order that the movie might do well in the box office.
We can, of course, choose to govern our emotional response as we see fit. I, for one, prefer to see the beauty in Taarna--including, not denying, a powerful, feminine sexuality--rather than succumb to a merely lascivious attitude in which women are veiwed chiefly as objects of sexual gratification. The women who have commented favorably about the character in response to my site have, I believe, adopted a similar attitude.
In my experience, most women who regurgitate neofeminist dogma about films "demeaning women", etc, are either pure parrots who are too dim to understand what they are repeating, or else women who are in denial about their own sexuality (chiefly the latter). I know that when I was a stripper, the loudest voices of criticism came from the buttoned-up type who is afraid to display her feminine charms, or else those who lack those charms altogether.
By "buttoned-up types" I mean the sort of woman who keeps her clothes buttoned up so high, one might believe that she thinks the male gaze will burn her delicate skin.
But as for "whoring themselves for money," unless you're independently wealthy or sponge off your parents, YOU whore yourself for money as well, as does everyone. You perform a service that you would not do unless you were being paid for it, and you make money to do the things you would rather be doing. As a stripper my job was easy, my hours were flexible, I had a great deal of personal freedom, my employer didn't have access to all sorts of personal information about me, I often had fun and I cleared over $1500 per week in the late 90s. Can you say the same about your job?
Of course, if you are one of those women who think it's a crime or sin to entertain men while making lots of money, all I can say is that I feel sorry for you. I hope you grow to accept your own femininity someday, at least to the extent that you stop judging your sisters by your own prudish notions.
I've always liked this movie. (I first saw it when I was about 11 or 12, and am now 36). Of course, I've always thought the women in it looked kind of ridiculous, but I also realize its based on a comic book, so I just chalked the physical appearance of the women up to being, like everything else in the movie, not quite "real" (to say the least, huh)? In the end, the hero was a woman, so I'm guessing the writers must not think too badly of women.
I must admit, some parts of the movie can be a bit scary for me (ie, "Skeleton Crew"), but that is really the only problem I have when I'm watching it. Anyway, all I have to do is turn away until those parts are over.
First of all, some women in the movie are acting really immature, but also there are some men depicted as slimy, goey horny jerks (like those who start flirting with Taarna in the bar, and she severes their heads off, or horny robot-professor in the pentagon, though I'm not sure was he attracted by breasts, or the shiny necklase), but Den does seem to be "in love" (no matter how old fashioned it sounds, I believe that love DOES exists,so HA, in your face!) with Katherine, although the evil queen demands that he "gives her the sattisfaction and body peace" (which he does). Still, Kat and Den seem to be the only trully happy couple.
The greedy daughter and the cab guy sex scene induced completely different feelings(Envoirment plays a major role here).
About the robots... I don't know... It's weird that they are turned on by women(I'd expect them to say "Wow, nice electrodes you've got!" or something). Judge by your own will.
The "horny professor in the pentagon" was a robot sent down from the alien spaceship to quell any fears about an alien invasion. In otherwords...He's not real.
I saw this movie when it first came out. I was 16 years old. I loved it then, and I love it now. I was never bothered by the depiction of women in the film or felt that it was negative in any way. They are all strong, gutsy, capable women. As for the way they are dressed...who cares--that's the way Heavy Metal Magazine was (is?). The movie and it's soundtrack (Blue Oyster Cult!!!) are fantastic!
My sweetie doesn't care for the movie, but it isn't because of the women with big bazookas. She actually doesn't have any problem with that at all.
No, she just can't get into the science fiction, the fantasy, and most of all, she can't get past animation. She doesn't like ANY anime, and she doesn't care for most animation done this side of the Pacific.
But she didn't say anything about HM demeaning women, so at least that's good news.
I am a woman and I love the movie. I saw it at the movies when it came out. I was a child and my mom took me to go see it thinking it was a cartoon for kids. The part that scared me was the part with the zombies. I was 7 years old when I saw it now Im 33 and I love it as an adult because of the concept of a female kicking ass.
Well, they DO have a reason; it's just not a very good one. They dislike it because it violates their bizarre, twisted, neutered view of what the world should be like.
I'm 25 now and saw if first at 16 and loved it. I showed it to my boyfriend at 18 and he loves it too. It's one of those great movies that you just have to watch every couple of years for a refresher how good it is. In fact I'm watching it again now!
I'm a girl. And I love this movie. Honestly if a movie doesn't portray at least one woman as a genius, girls won't like it and claim that it's sexist. And, speaking as a girl who's been prejudged by other girls on this basis alone, girls don't seem to like seeing other girls with bigger boobs. Animated or not, it just bothers them. And they seem to believe that a girl with big boobs has no brain and must be a sex object.
When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace.
I get complimented on mine by other girls sometimes. Not as often as I get told by my friends that I can't tell their gf's that I'm friends with them because they'd freak out.
When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace.
Not as often as I get told by my friends that I can't tell their gf's that I'm friends with them because they'd freak out.
That's more of a teenage thing; most women (though not all, by any means) grow out of that kind of insecurity by the time they reach their late 20s, and if they don't they just get boob jobs.