Not the GOAT



I fell in love with werewolves when I was a little boy. Walt Disney’s anthropomorphic Big Bad Wolf in the Three Little Pigs scared the toadstools out of me when he had the pigs trapped, rubbed his paws together and laughed this lascivious laugh in anticipation. (I didn’t know what “lascivious” meant back then, but I knew the energy.) Big Bad was HUGE and had TEETH. I made my mother take me to see Lon Chaney, Jr’s “The Wolfman.” I feel a connection with wolves. They are so social, so intelligent and so powerful.

The first time I saw Curse of the Demon, the first closeup of the demon’s face scared the shit out of me. It looked like a wolf.

So I am that rarity, a true werewolf aficionado. As I matured, I learned that
the lycanthrope is a symbol for masculine virility and power. Yes, there are indeed wolf bitches, and, in real-life packs, the Alpha Bitch is every bit as important as the Alpha Dog. She controls the social
structure of the pack. And I am fully
aware that the werewolf cinematic tradition embraces the Alpha Bitch, as in Howling 1 and 2 and the Ginger Snaps franchise.

I have studied werewolf lore. The occult interests me; hence, my username.

One thing that werewolves are not is funny. They are more serious than a heart attack. Both Dog Soldiers and Stephen King’s Silver Bullet have some real humor in them, as does The Howling 2: Your Sister Is a Werewolf, but they are NOT JOHN LANDIS COMEDIES!!!

Werewolves are serious.

And if you want a werewolf movie that is serious, scary and beautiful all at once, you want Danny Boyle’s The Company of Wolves. There will never be a better, more serious werewolf movie. Ever.

American Werewolf in London is not.

So I ask all of you who think this is the best werewolf movie ever: what other werewolf movies have you seen and liked? If your
answer is “none,” then you just don’t like werewolf movies and cannot comment on the genre.

Some of you have posted that AWIL makes us care about the characters, implying that other werewolf movies have not. Have you seen the Ginger Snaps movies, or Dog Soldiers or the Benicio Del Toro version of The Wolfman or Red Riding Hood, or even the Lon Chaney Sr or Jr Wolfman movies? That’s likely a rhetorical question. You want to see a werewolf GROW? Watch Sybil Danning in The Howling 2: Your Sister’s a Werewolf. If you’re a guy, you’ll grow, too.

[Rod Serling voice] “Submitted for your consideration: the consensus belief that
American Werewolf in London is the GOAT werewolf movie comes from a population that does not know really know anything about werewolf movies and just wants a convenient default response when asked, “What’s the best werewolf movie?”

You’re the kind who believes that Bose makes the best loudspeakers, and Rolex, the the best watches. You drive an Audi.

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Nice write-up.



But wrong.



AAWIL is the best.


Have a nice day.

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Let's be honest, people consider AWIL the best because the competition is kind of lousy. I think most people like the creature effects and werewolf design, the story is flimsy. I like the lore that they introduced in AWIL and how the werewolf is haunted by his victims during the time when he's not a werewolf, which is 98% of the time. The plot and goofiness definitely is a problem, Silver Bullet is way goofier though, bad comparison there.

Wolfman had great potential but they crammed in terrible CG and making Hopkins another wolfman was dumb. It should have stuck with his father just being a human monster. I didn't like the ginger snap films, dog soldiers was ok but not very iconic. I think Bad Moon Rising had the best werewolf but like all the other films it was plagued by retarded characters and bad plot devices. That stupid dog, the werewolf should have bitten its head off in the first encounter.

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AWIL has NO problems. I'm addressing you, Rake, and the OP.

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You are a fast reader. I think the comedic parts don't fly and from the hospital to the final showdown it drags. I wish there was more of the monster in the middle, even if they didn't show it in full.

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I've never really found AAWIL remotely funny (despite being aware of it's comedic intentions) To be honest, this film is (imo) genuinely creepy/scary.

And whilst not outright hating 'The Howling', I'm baffled as to why so many people champion it over AAWIL (as if it's some uber-serious treatment of 'werewilf' lore) The Howling is slackly paced, disjointed, chock full of plot-holes and far goofier in it's own content, than anything Landis was (deliberately) aiming for with his movie?

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I didn't like the Howling much cause the book is better. I didn't like Karen being a reporter. I didn't like Inez Polk getting replaced with a reporter friend. It also seemed forced to have it be the doctor who is a werewolf start a retreat for his patients and turned them into werewolves instead of just a random village Karen and her husband moved to. I like AAWIL better.

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What about House of Dracula as the best werewolf movie because he got cured in that one. also there is Return of the Vampire and in that one, The werewolf can speak which makes him even more terrifying

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It's been a while since I've seen house of Dracula, I don't remember being really impressed by the wolf man. I will be checking out Return of the Vampire in the next few days. Cannot believe I missed that one.

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I don't recall any goat in this film

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yes id say Dog Soldiers takes it over AWIL as a "serious" movie

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The Company of Wolves is by Neil Jordan not Danny Boyle correct? Wanted to make sure we are talking about the same movie.

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It's a mistake to view this film as part of a werewolf horror genre that intended, at least in part, to add to the lore of previous films that took themselves more seriously. It's a comedy above all else. The whole thing about victims wandering about in limbo until the werewolf's curse is lifted was probably conceived by Landis because he saw comedic gold in it (and he was right).

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I wonder if it would be inappropriate to consider AAWIL akin to The Lost Boys? Creepy, of the horror genre, but with decided comedic touches throughout?

If so, perhaps these create their own genre, or sub-genre.

By way of analogy, I've never considered Star Wars of the "sci-fi" genre, but rather "sci-fi fantasy."

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Inappropriate, no. Inaccurate, yes. The Lost Boys had not one scene that was comparable to the delights of watching Jenny Agutter get boned in the shower, then in the boudoir

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You were a much braver kid than I! AWWIL and The Howling scared the absolute SHIT out of me. 😂 And along those lines, Michael Jackson's cat/wolf thing in Thriller?...I had to go in the other room until that part was over every time.

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