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Apocalypse Now: The Final Cut....


anything new?

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Not that I'm aware of?
Just a (more streamlined) 'happy medium between the original and Redux.

Stick with the theatrical version (imo)

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More Kilgore and babes, which is what the movie needed.

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more than the Redux?

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I'm not sure!

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No, and it doesn’t have the Playboy bunny babes featuring Colleen Camp’s massive jugs - the only scene that made the Redux worthwhile.

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Quite shite - most of the added scenes still detract from the film, including the truly terrible plantation scene which Coppola is stupidly stubborn about for some reason.

The theatrical cut remains massively superior.

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Besides the hundreds of thousands of dollars it cost Coppola to do the French plantation sequence...

1. It reveals the overlooked French colonial history with the wealthy plantation owners who stuck around after the French left in 1954 being untouched by the war, playing armchair experts on the muddy political conflict.
2. It sets up the scene in which Philippe breaks the egg in his hand with the contents dribbling out, saying, "...the white leaves, but the yellow stays."
3. It sets up the potent scene where the main French guy, Hubert de Marais, solemnly states: "...while you Americans are fighting for the biggest nothing in history."
4. It gives dimension to govt assassin Captain Willard and shows that he's not just a killing machine (remember how he shot the injured Vietnamese woman with zero qualms?). This explains Roxanne's closing line: "There are two of you, don't you see? One that kills... and one that loves."
5. This ties into Willard increasingly identifying with Kurtz, who had to "get off the boat" of the game of war in order to actually start winning it in his sector, which is what led the Brass back in Nha Trang to slander him as insane and justify murdering him via their "errand boy."

Later Kurtz tells Willard: "These men who fought with their hearts, who had families, who had children, who were filled with love... but they had the strength... the strength... to do that. If I had ten divisions of those men, our troubles here would be over very quickly. You have to have men who are moral... and at the same time who are able to utilize their primordial instincts to kill without feeling... without passion... without judgment... without judgment! Because it's judgment that defeats us." Since Willard was this kind of person -- basically a younger version of Kurtz -- Kurtz was going to allow him to take him out of his misery "like a soldier, standing up, not like some poor, wasted, rag-assed renegade," as well as grant Willard the task of informing his son of what really went down in contrast to "the stench of lies" of the official narrative.

The Theatrical Cut is indeed the best version to watch for first time viewers (or second and third time viewers), but the Redux and Final Cut versions are good for those who want more details and character dimension.

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So in other words, a lot of overtly political messaging... which isn't necessarily bad, but too on-the-nose for this particular film. I'm not a big fan of the egg visual metaphor or the "two of you" dialogue either. Subtlety is lost in these scenes.

But my main complaint for the plantation is that it completely kills the flow and pace of the movie. It's shoved in there at the worst possible time, where all momentum building up to Kurtz is destroyed. It's even edited awkwardly - inserted between two shots of fog - which work flawlessly well together when closed up in the theatrical release. Coppola should have taken that hint.

I have complaints with the other scenes as well, like stealing the surfboard. A bizarre inclusion of comedy, along with Killgore's "I really like that surfboard" messages, that doesn't properly expand on Willard's character or motivations, but rather just seems inconsistent and jarring. I really have no desire to watch these scenes again.

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Everything you say is true and it's why I didn't like the "Redux" rendition for years. However, I've come to appreciate the extended version(s) because they offer more detail and character dimension, which helps in discerning the most important messages of the film. (I say 'messages' because in "Hearts of Darkness: A Filmmaker's Apocalypse" Francis said that he was trying to include like 47 messages in the movie; of course he was exaggerating a bit).

So, the Theatrical Cut is the right choice for people seeing the movie for the first few times or whatever, but the longer versions, despite their shortcomings, are worth embracing for those who want more balance and a better understanding of what was really going on.

For instance, what was the purpose of the relatively dull scene in the longer version where Kurtz reads TIME articles to Willard and the children are attracted to him? While it destroys the great mystique of Kurtz since it's the only time we get to see him clearly in broad daylight, it reveals that he isn't insane at all, as the Brass slandered him (in order to justify his murder and enlist Willard's services). Kurtz was just depressed due to being trapped in the remote jungle with no place to go because he dared to "get off the boat" of playing the game of war for the purpose of actually winning it (in his sector, at least). He could never go home now, but he wanted his son to know the truth. Willard proved himself to be the right bearer of that information, not to mention the right man to take Kurtz out of his misery.

The movie doesn't really need this scene, though, since Willard's initial conversation with Kurtz already established that he wasn't actually crazy. I'm assuming Coppola wanted to humanize the colonel after he beheaded Chef, not to mention give more screentime to Brando since he cost so much ($1 million per week).

It's true that the additional surfboard-oriented scenes add a goofy element and are jarring, as you say, but they reveal Willard in a broader light, rather than just a grim assassin. The "It was a good board and I like it" sequence is quirkily amusing and adds balance to the general lugubriousness of the proceedings. Isn't that the way life is -- hours of serious work and the corresponding dourness coupled with moments of levity or silliness?

The ghostly French plantation scene can be viewed as the calm before the storm of meeting Kurtz -- perhaps even a dream due to the fog bookends -- wherein Coppola is able to convey the aforementioned insights which, awkwardly executed or not, offer relevant info on the history and sociology of the setting & conflict. The lack of subtlety can be attributed to the meeting of visiting militarists with the entrenched French citizens, like passing ships in the night. In other words, they only have a brief time together and so they're going to get across their points (and needs) without beating around the bush.

Still, Francis was wise to omit this additional material for the Theatrical Cut. The movie was long enough as it was and the extra scenes were inferior in one way or another, as you point out.

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" . . . my main complaint for the plantation is that it completely kills the flow and pace of the movie. It's shoved in there at the worst possible time, where all momentum building up to Kurtz is destroyed."

I feel the same way.

I can enjoy that scene parked on the side as an extra, but would rather not have it in the film for the reasons you state.

Then again, I feel that way about 99% of the films that insert ommited/deleted footage.

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Nothing new if you've seen Redux. It's just a tightened and better edited version of it.

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It has more footage than the theatrical cut but less footage than the Redux.

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