Original 1977 opening
When it was just called Star Wars, and to me, always will be.
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I agree. If Disney wants to have a successful SW film, they should consider re-releasing this in its original form.
shareEverything Iāve read, per Lucas himself, says they donāt have the original films in good condition to do that.
shareThey have 95% of it in 4k. The rest could be digitally cleaned.
The internet has already restored the original so we don't have to wait on Disney to do nothing. Thankfully
95% according to who?
And we donāt know what level of quality the āinternetā used.
I've downloaded a number of them, they look pretty swell. I would take slightly older, not as sharp original cuts, over the new best looking edits any day
95 - if you watch the blue ray, MOST of the movie is there in perfect shape. then there are the edits added in...
Special Edition blu rays?
The originals never had an official blu ray release.
And Lucas said the negatives for the originals were all destroyed to scan them in to produce the Special Editions.
Just do a reboot already of episode 4 and cover up all the plot holes like Luke using the last name of Skywalker living out in the open on Tatoonie. Plus fix the light saber duel between Vader and Obi Wan with CGI for maximum effects
shareJust do a reboot already of episode 4...
This is exactly what they should be doing.
Ewan McGregor and Hayden Christensen are now old enough to play the older versions of their characters.
And Obi-Wan could now remember that he was there when Princess Leia was born! share
Urgh, no Hayden Christensen please. Besides, Anakin wasnāt even in the OT so thereās no need to get him involved. Lucas already shoehorned him into the last scene of Jedi.
Whatās the issue with Obi-Wan and Princess Leia?
Anakin wasnāt even in the OT so thereās no need to get him involved.
š² Anakin Skywalker is Darth Vader! He's all over the OT...
Obi-Wan thinks Luke was their "last hope" in the OT. Yoda has to remind him of Leia, even although they were both there when they were born!
If they rebooted the OT, they could fix errors like this.
A sequel trilogy 4-6 to fit with the prequels is what we need! share
Obi-Wan thinks Luke was their "last hope" in the OT. Yoda has to remind him of Leia, even although they were both there when they were born!
Ah okay, I thought we were talking about episode 4. Youāre referring to episode 5.
Anyway I never had a problem with that line. Luke was the one who trained as a Jedi, the only one who had a chance at defeating Vader and the Emperor. Leia had a pampered upbringing on Alderaan (btw thanks Obi-Wan for giving one child the life of a Princess and dumping the other one on a desert planet) and there was never any evidence she could become a Jedi Knight. share
Sorry, yes start with ANH (or whatever they could freely call it) and reboot the entire OT.
Obi-Wan was sitting in Tatooine doing nothing when Luke was eighteen, showing no evidence of becoming a Jedi. Sure he trained him for ten minutes in the first film but that's no reason why he'd just assume Leia was a no hoper.
But it was made in the 70s, so maybe he was just being sexist and assuming women couldn't do anything, hence "That boy was our last hope...".
But seriously, making a proper OT-ish sequel trilogy to the prequels would be the way to go.
Could get rid of all those issues like Obi-Wan forgetting about Leia, Anakin not being a great pilot when Obi-Wan first met him, Uncle Owen thinking Anakin should have stayed on Tatooine, the force having nothing to do with midi-chlorians, Leia remembering her mother who died in child birth, Han Solo not believing in the force even although there was Jedi everywhere just twenty years before, etc, etc...
fix the light saber duel between Vader and Obi Wan with CGI for maximum effects
Thereās a fan remake of this scene called SC 38 Reimagined. Personally I think it goes over the top and looks too much like a modern videogame than a movie from the 70s, but it shows whatās possible. share
It's called 'The Force Awakens'
shareNO ONE CARES. JUST LET IT GO. IT'S CALLED A NEW HOPE NOW AND WILL FOREVER BE. DEAL WITH IT.
Just a freaking title. Geesh. You people need to die and go away.
Someone has an opinion about a film title; therefore, he deserves to die.
Logic.
OH THE HORROR THEY SUBTITLED IT! WAAAAAAAAH!!!
Like shut the fuck up. George had a reason because he'd later do prequels and would want people to watch them in order and thus, Star Wars couldn't just be "Star Wars" anymore. DEAL WITH IT.
The horror with this movie is when the Rebel Alliance is celebrating their win at the end, every member in the audience is a white person
shareWho the fuck cares. This wasn't a movie with the ideas of diversity on the mind dear. Be glad they started doing that in Empire when they brought in Billy Dee Williams.
shareSadly Lucas went ahead and added the subtitle of Episode IV A New Hope on the 1981 re-release,which is when Star Wars slowly became ruined.
shareWell why not? He already subtitled ESB as "Episode V" so what sense would it not make to subtitle the first as "Episode IV"? He always had the prequels down the line to make later so wise up and deal with it. Fools!
sharewe didnāt need prequels or episodes. The series was fine the way it was. Fool.
shareWell not according to George Lucas and I agree. I loved what he did with the prequels to an extent and gave the Star Wars universe a whole new flare and dynamic he couldn't do with the originals. I wish he chilled on the effects though and did more out-door actual locations (mostly in II and III) but his creativity and imagination is godly. He showcased perhaps the greatest space material ever presented in science fiction/fantasy and the prequels told a wonderful build up to the originals while telling its own story with the Jedi, Sith, and politics. You better eat an ass talking that garbage.
shareYouāre in the vast minority, the prequels were universally hated for Lucas taking a giant dump on the franchise by turning anakin into a whiny kid then a whiny teenager. And the shitty cgi yoda jumping up and down like sonic.
The prequels were straight ass, suggest you educate yourself as to why with this video https://youtu.be/FxKtZmQgxrI
A movie doesnāt suddenly become good because of your nostalgia-goggles
Dude, you're delusional. The prequels has its faults (CGI Yoda fighting not being one of them) but the hate you give is way overrated. Trust me, I've read and seen all the complaints. Most are very ridiculous. Anakin being whiny is a bust? He's a little boy. What did you expect him to be? Evil already? Could he not just be a typical boy? You're a crust.
Guess what? Those horrendous sequels the Disney crew did got people appreciating the prequels even more.
We expected a better actor. The actor they picked was shit, also not having 8 year old Anakin pilot a a fighter jet all by himself and blow up an entire ship single-handedly full of battledroids.
Just because the sequels are bad doesnāt make the prequels suddenly good.
The actor was fine. Maybe you thought he should have looked a certain why, but he looked fine and acted fine. HE WAS NINE YEARS OLD (not eight) YOU PATHETIC WASTE OF SPACE. Get a clue. He was established to be an experience pilot, which was the whole point of the pod race event. There you go nitpicking at things because he was "so young". Jealous much? I suggest you get some brains.
The prequels were always good, just not as good and realistic as the original but good and reasonable that still added some cool new lore and expansion of the universe that was given such a limited feel out of the original trilogy. You better learn it.
No, the child actor was hot garbage you utter nincompoop. Thereās even a whole documentary about how the OTHER CHILD ACTOR they didnāt pick gave a way better screen test as Anakin. Making an 8 year old an āexperienced pilotā by having him press random buttons on the spaceship like a video game and accidentally blowing up an entire battle station is just ridiculous.
Oh, by ācool expansion to the loreā you mean a nonsensical backstory like Jedi being a useless corporate board of monks instead of Knights, the Republic not even having an army until a magical donation of clones, no one being able to detect that the chancellor is an evil space wizard that whole time despite him being in the same room as them, and Anakin turning into a whiny, fascist, genocidal maniac and Padme still falling in love with him? Also the horrible retcon of all the storm troopers being descendants of Boba Fettās dad. Just awful.
I DON'T GIVE A FUCK ABOUT THE OTHER BOY. Clearly Jake was still qualified enough if he even made it as far as he did and was NUMBER TWO AT BEST. Couldn't have been that terrible. If the other boy didn't get picked then perhaps there was some reason for that if he had other things to do or because Jake looked more of an innocence. I DON'T KNOW, but I don't see them just picking Jake just for the heck of it he wasn't that good so you better try again sweetums.
Useless corporate band of knights? Was Obi-Wan's wardrobe in the original (and ghost Anakin's in Return) not clear enough just what they'd look like during the time of the REPUBLIC? Did you expect Knights of Ren type warriors here? Well too bad because the ideas of them being monks fits the philosophy of this whole thing. This isn't Star Trek dear so you can take your rubber room mind elsewhere with that crum cake. No one detecting the chancellors as evil is no issue because he was that powerful to handle his powers to fool everyone. DUH. You'd wonder this in the original trilogy too because you'd wonder he was clearly around the Jedi then. Did you just think he popped in from a galaxy far far away and built his empire up front in seconds so no one would suspect a thing? You better think straight. And how is it a retcon that Boba Fett is a clone? When was it ever established in the originals WHERE they came from? No where. The lore was cool, you just can't handle the fact that George didn't handle things the way YOU preferred. Who cares what you think.
Anakin can't be whiny. Why can't he be? Can't expect all villains to be just cold, collective, and stern. Some can be wacky, whiny, reckless, and chaotic. You better get with it or else you can die a horrible death in a fucking tornado you overrating original Star Wars trilogy loving gimp and ridiculous prequel hating SLUT.
I didnāt really bother reading your multi-paragraph response of word-vomit. Iāll keep this brief and to the point:
Jake Lloyd was a shit actor and Lucas chose him to sell happy meals, not for his talent. Anakin was fucking annoying. The other child actor was 10x better.
Explain how Obi WANās clothes (which were the fucking g same in every movie) implies that he spent most of his time as a corporate bureaucrat sitting in a chair and bitching at Anakin? Those two fucking hated each other in the prequels. Also explain what āmagical powersā Palpatine had that meant Yoda was unable to detect a fucking SITH LORD right next to him for decades? Stop defending Lucasās shitty awful writing.
You apparently think Anakin turning into a crybaby genocidal nut job that goes on fascist rants to his girlfriend is good character development (hint, it isnāt).
Jake is fine. If you hate the prequels so much then blame it on George's direction you pathetic parasite. And NOT sorry you preferred Anakin to not be a whiny kid and couldn't rant about having a girlfriend, something a lot of guys in this world are. Seems like you need to get out more because you're living in a thousand fucking caves here bud.
Obi-Wan and Anakin didn't "hate" each other. They bantered with each other like any caring pair of friends would. In Episode III Obi-Wan even declared Anakin was "his brother" and "loved him" and we saw plenty of moments of them getting along and working together throughout the three movies, mainly II and II. I suggest you rewatch them you goofy goober. And yes, that was a Spongebob Movie reference if you even know what that is. Don't forget, there's the whole ten year gap between episodes and the Clone Wars era that we didn't see (unless counting the TV series) where their "getting along" relationship could clearly be more of a stand on.
If Obi-Wan's clothes were the "fucking same" then it shows what kind of clothes the Jedi mainly wore you beetlejuice. THEY WERE MONKS and ALWAYS SUCH. Biotch.
Palpatine going undetected shows just how slick and clever he was, which is why he was Chancellor and then Emperor. GOT TO BE A REAL SLICK GENIUS TO PULL THIS OFF UNDETECTED TO EVEN GO AS FAR AS HE DID DON'T YOU THINK? No, you don't think at all looking at everything one dimensional and quick to pointing out flaws at first glance without looking at things in-depth.
And you happen to call yourself a Star Wars fan? You're ridiculous.
Still not reading most of your drivel, so Iāll break this down simply for you:
- I AM blaming George Lucas for casting Jake Lloyd you colossal ignoramus.
- We keep hearing how much they ālove each otherā but only ever see Mannequin skywalker act like a whiny, spoiled baby with his shitty acting. He was an unlikeable douche through both movies.
The Jedi were fucking warriors that kept peace in the galaxy, not lame ass BUREACRATS in a movie trilogy filled with boring af politics in what is supposed to be an exciting space opera. The Jedi in the prequels were BORING, DULL, and also completely USELESS at their job, and shown to be INCOMPETENT.
And what the fuck was this supposed āslick clevernessā that Palpatibe used? He acted like Hitler incarnate the whole trilogy, and Yoda canāt fucking pick up on that? That this obviously evil space wizard is RIGHT IN FRONT OF THEIR NOSES THE WHOLE TIME. It makes the Jedi look like retards.
Say you're not reading most of my post, but proceeds to make a post about as long as what I wrote. You lie. Sorry, but you want to come at me and make the dumbest excuses imaginable and get mad when you have your funky ass handed to you and rightfully so. Claiming you didn't read most of what I wrote, HA! How typical for someone who is clearly defeated.
I'll break this down to YOU in simplest terms: Jake was good, the prequels are underrated - have their faults but still have grand qualities and fine to look at, and you can eat nails. :)
N O theyāre trash
shareNo, you are. They have good visuals, a consistent story, and memorable moments. You need to clean out your original trilogy obsessed eyes and see that instead of overbearing the things you think are flawed to the point you're finding them to be twice as bad than they really are. It clouds your judgment, PUN INTENDED since we hear that in Star Wars. Boogaloo. :P
shareYour only argument is that the prequels look pretty you tardy. Other than that scripts and acting were trash. Also too much green screen, so they failed at even looking good. You lost the argument faggo.
shareThe prequels are much better than you no matter how bad they are in your eyes or actuality. Deal with it and lose your life, lesbo.
shareStar Wars: The Phantom Menace was the most disappointing thing since my son. I mean, how much more could you possibly fuck up the entire backstory to Star Wars? And while my son eventually hanged himself in the bathroom of the gas station, the unfortunate reality of the Star Wars prequels is that they'll be around. Forever. They will never go away. It can never be undone.
shareYou find your son disappointing? HA! Some father you are. No wonder he took his own life. I'd want to get away from you too and severe all the ties. See what your toxic DNA can do?
Yes the Star Wars prequels will forever be around. Too bad but thank the SKIES you won't be though. ;)
Youāre fetarded and donāt realize Iām quoting the video link I posted, which skewers the prequels. Yes, they will always be around because theyāre steaming piles of shit. Now fuck off cunt š¤”
shareQuoting a video? Well it ought to be you for real since even you deserve to have no kids living at all. You are a real life "phantom menace" and not in a good way. Episode I holds all the quality you lack. Fuck off cunt? Looks like you don't get any. Hahahaha.
shareNice projection. How long have you been living in your parentās basement you incel? They should turn off your internet already.
Either that or your boyfriend doesnāt beat you enough, prequel fanboi. Go jerk off to your Analin skywalker poster faget.
Now fuck off, like I said before, cuntface LoL. š¤£š¤”
I'm too good to live in any basement you bleeding roach. Seems like you're keen on getting the last word. Oh you desperate man. Get molested by Jake Lloyd. He's a big man now so let's see how you handle his goodness. :P
shareJake Lloyd is a pussy who cried that being in Star Wars ruined his life. I guess everything was ruined by him being in Star Wars
shareHe's just a boy. He could do very little but do and look how he was directed to be. How many actors been in seemingly "bad" movies and have bounced back? He was very young so he could have done so in a much better movie. Heck, he can do so now if he put his mind to it.
shareI blame his parents for only caring about money while ignoring the effect it would have on his life. They couldāve cast Haley Joel Osment as Anakin too.
shareHow can you blame them? They didn't know how the movie would turn out and they certainly weren't setting their son up for failure. They were simply helping their son establish an acting career like many his age before him and at the same time.
As far as Haley goes, he had his own 1999 movie to cling to at the time, THE SIXTH SENSE.
They only saw their son as a cash cow and not that it was unhealthy for a bad actor like Lloyd to take the part and all that publicity. Haley Joel Osment actually auditioned for the phantom menace but never got a call back. Lucas screwed up the casting.
shareWhat made you think they saw their son as a cash cow? You might as well say that about any parent of a young child actor, but they still need young child actors to play these roles regardless and thus they need parents willing to allow their child to go through such a career phase so what is Hollywood suppose to do about that? Go after orphans with no parents? Seems like you just have an issue with any child being in a movie and would feel the same way whether it was Jake or Haley or anyone else in the role. Bottom line is, no one knew how the movie would turn out.
sharewatch the behind the scenes footage. The parents are salivating as they sign their child away for a movie knowing heās a shit actor. They couldāve cast an actual GOOD ACTOR in the role like the other kid who screen tested better. The making of the phantom menace was like a slow motion car crash. Everyone already knew it was turning out garbage with Lucasās shitty casting and writing decisions. End of discussion
shareYou're just a Star Wars prequel/Jake hater. That's pathetic. If it was going to be garage no one would have part-took in it or told George to change this and cast that.
Now let's in fact end this discussion since it's gotten nowhere and you're talking my ears off making this thread longer than it needs to be.
Yes I am a Jake Lloyd hater, he sucks at acting lol. And a lotta people agree with that. Youāre just wearing nostalgia goggles.
And no oneās compelling you to reply and elongate my thread bud
Jake is a fine actor simply following direction. His acting in Star Wars was nothing bad. I've seen worse. You clearly haven't seen anything that amounts to bad if you think he had it all. And you can also shut the hell up because it seems you just want to banter and get the last word. The ball floats the same in your end too with this dear. You can stop talking altogether.
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