was luke the new hope or was it the death star plans being in - Star Wars (1977) Discussion

[–] Gd5150 (11746) 8 days ago

The was no “a new hope”.

There’s just Star Wars and it ended in 1980.

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[–] Enigmaticocean77 (2410) 8 days ago

I just wrote the same thing. LOL.

Yeah, Star Wars ended in 1980. Everything after that was $h!t.

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[–] DevonteHuntley (225) 3 days ago

Well on account of the title change in 1980 which has stuck for the last 44 years, it IS that now and obviously bears meaning for the user to question it (though a stupid one since the answer is obvious). This is not a debate over how you wanted to view the movie when it first came out.

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[–] ak47wong (563) 8 days ago

At the end of Rogue One when Captain Antilles hands the Death Star plans to Uncanny Leia, he asks what it is they've received and Leia says "Hope" so there's your answer.

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[–] hyperjet (719) 8 days ago

There is no hope in Disney Star Wars.

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[–] Enigmaticocean77 (2410) 8 days ago

Yeah, Roge One was kind of tolerable, but it wasn't good, and I have no desire to see it ever again.

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[–] hyperjet (719) 7 days ago

I had to sit through it once. The only Disney SW movie I've seen. About 45 mins in I said out loud that I hoped all the protagonists in the film would die. I've never felt that way before. They had no souls (except the robot, ironically). They were just....'talking'.
I kind of liked how they showed the hours before Star Wars happened though. At least the idea was interesting. But it just made me realize how the original SW was a real film with likeable characters.

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[–] Aylmer (416) 3 days ago

Of all the Disney dirge made around Star Wars, ROGUE ONE was probably the "best" in that it kinda seemed to have a respect for the original movies and some of the action was actually original and exciting. I loved the two star destroyers crashing into each other and the fact that everyone gets nuked in the end. The low-power death star lasers were actually kinda cool. The characters were terrible though and the narrative lost my interest in the first 10 minutes when it kept jumping from planet to planet. I have no interest in seeing that again either, but like millions of other people I was suckered into seeing it in the theater.

The most cringe-worthy line in the whole movie was the end one though sputtered out by the uncanny Leia. Like, not only must we endure the movie's title change, but now it's meant to be some big groundbreaking thing worthy of calling back to? And we're supposed to celebrate it now like it's a mighty title drop?

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[–] TheEndIsNigh (263) 8 days ago

I don't think George Lucas thought about it in 1977 when it was just Star Wars, and still is to me.

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[–] Enigmaticocean77 (2410) 8 days ago

This movie was originally released as Star Wars, not as A New Hope. There is no A New Hope, just Star Wars.

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[–] overseas7 (4231) 4 days ago

From my side I would consider both Luke and the Death Star plans as "the new hope".

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[–] DevonteHuntley (225) 3 days ago

You both are dumb. Why would anything relating to the villains be "A NEW HOPE". Obviously the subtitle refers to Luke since he's the start of a potential future generation of Jedi that Obi-Wan is eager to train and bring balance to the force by defeating Vader and the Emperor. Duh.

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[–] overseas7 (4231) 3 days ago

You are dumb. Duh.

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[–] DevonteHuntley (225) 3 days ago

Eat my dirt you crusty foot fungus. No title meaning HOPE would ever relate to a VILLAIN. We're following Luke, our hero, our protaganist, as he slowly journeys to become a Jedi and is the one who is to defeat Vader and destroy the Death Star..."A NEW HOPE" to precede the fallen Jedi of years prior. How old are you? -_-

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[–] overseas7 (4231) 3 days ago

It must be a disgrace to be such a silly thing as you are. Get some therapy...maybe there is still a new hope for you. Bye.

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[–] DevonteHuntley (225) 2 days ago

There will be. Hopefully there will be none left for you, fucking bitch. Now drop dead and take your lousy family and all the children with you for my delightment.

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[–] aavfreak (3313) 3 days ago

If you take the canon of the entire trilogy, then it's clearly Luke, not the plans.

From The Empire Strikes Back
YODA (sighs): Told you, I did. Reckless is he. Now matters are worse.
BEN: That boy is our last hope.

From Return of the Jedi:
BEN: Then the Emperor has already won. You were our only hope.

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[–] SamNoyoun (5827) 3 days ago

Ok, that makes more sense! I've just seen the first one so many more times than any of the others, my perspective naturally skews towards and stems from that one...

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[–] FootOfDavros (8140) 3 days ago

That line de-canonises the prequels though, as Obi-Wan was clearly present at both births and therefore could not describe Luke as "our last hope".

One of the reasons I view the prequels as being in a separate continuity to the OT. The prequels work much if you can do that.

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[–] aavfreak (3313) 2 days ago

I didn't include the entire scene's dialog. It doesn't completely de-canonize the prequels.

LUKE: I can't kill my own father.
BEN: Then the Emperor has already won. You were our only hope.
LUKE: Yoda spoke of another.
BEN: The other he spoke of is your twin sister.
LUKE: But I have no sister.
BEN: Hmm. To protect you both from the Emperor, you were hidden from your father when you were born. The Emperor knew, as I did, if Anakin were to have any offspring, they would be a threat to him. That is the reason why your sister remains safely anonymous.
LUKE: Leia! Leia's my sister.

Maybe Obi-Wan was a bit of a misogynist? He thought that only a man could defeat the emperor?

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[–] FootOfDavros (8140) 2 days ago

Well it was a different time in the 70s. Women weren't allowed to do anything and knew there place, so you can't really blame Obi-Wan...

Joking aside, we know from ESB that Yoda must have told Obi-Wan off camera, once Luke had disappeared on his way to Bespin:-

Obi-Wan: "That boy is our last hope"
Yoda: "No. There is another..."
Obi-Wan: "Well? Spit it out then..."
Yoda: "You won't believe this but it's actually Princess Leia! She's Luke's twin sister. They were separated as infants but we thought it wisest not to tell you incase you landed up blabbering about it to Anakin."

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[–] Gd5150 (11746) 3 days ago

The new hope was Leia getting the DS plans onto R2D2 and off on an escape pod.

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[–] SamNoyoun (5827) 3 days ago

That's actually a really interesting question that I've never considered... Presumably to retcon to that title they must have had a specific 'hope' in mind(one would think, anyway!)

I'll go with Obi-Wan "Ben" Kenobi...

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[–] aavfreak (3313) 2 days ago

Leia literally says, "help us Obi-Wan, you're our only hope." So, this is valid, although I still contend that it's Luke.

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