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How the heck did this awful show stay on the air for 9 seasons?


How the heck did this awful show stay on the air for 9 seasons?

I mean seriously, I thought this show went off the air around 1980 and I was shocked to find that it actually lasted until 1985?? WTF? I have no memory of that. Who the hell was watching this crap?

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I have to agree with you there. I grew up watching Alice. And I can remember times when I was bored out of my skull to even watch it at all. But just when I almost gave up, FLO kept me interested. That is, for the first few seasons. After that, it amazes me how it stayed on the air.

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Well, you know this was back in the day with only 3 networks and little to no cable or home video so I guess people just left the t.v. on CBS.

I used to have a theory that network programmers just forget certain shows were still on the air and then they checked the t.v. guide one day and then they were shocked to find these shows were still being shown.

I really thought this show went off the air around 1980 and I was legitimately shocked to find out it lasted until 1985. I've seen some clips from some of those shows and they are just horrible. And then it seemed like Linda Laven kept singing a new version of the theme every year?

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What's even more amazing is that "Flo" got her own spinoff.

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Well, I'm sorry you all didn't like the show, but I grew up watching it, and I loved it. As I said in another post, Flo was my favorite character. Were the later seasons great (after Flo left)? No, they weren't. I will admit that, but I still watched faithfully.

I miss shows like this: Alice, One Day at a Time, Three's a Crowd, Kate & Allie, etc. At least I can watch Designing Women on TVGuide Network, and Amen, 227, and Family Ties on GMC, and Golden Girls and Cheers on Hallmark (when they're not flooding their channel with Holiday stuff), and Facts of Life on HUB network.

*shrugs*

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I think 1976-1980 would of been a decent running time.

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Without flo the show was terrible and it became The Linda Lavin singing dancing Show after Flo was forced out by bitter mean Linda Lavin who bored the hell out of me.

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I loved it- admittedly much better in the Flo and Belle years. After that the show became a bit sillier and less real. But the characters were people with whom the audience could connect, and the actors were all very skilled- Linda Lavin, Beth Howland, Celia Weston, Vic Tayback, Polly Holliday- all experienced, accomplished actors from stage and screen.

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for your sake I'm sorry that there weren't any little bimbos (WHORES) jumping into bed with whatever guy says hi to them or no kids talking back to their parents or parents acting like duchbags

but this show was relativtily cleaner and had MORALS, I for one would pick Alice over ANYTHING CRAP that's on today

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it became The Linda Lavin singing dancing Show after Flo was forced out by bitter mean Linda Lavin who bored the hell out of me.


Don't believe everything you read on the Internet, moron. Polly Holliday has stated that there were no problems between her and Linda Lavin.

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'for your sake I'm sorry that there weren't any little bimbos (WHORES) jumping into bed with whatever guy says hi to them'
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Oh,is that why they do it?
we didn't have the term 'duchbags' back then either,thank goodness.

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Because it wasn't awful, JohnQ. I was watching it, but obviously, I wasn't the only one.

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I watched from early 1977 (missed the debut) to the end in March of 1985 when Mel's Diner closed up .

The show stayed on because CBS (and oither networks) didn;t want to let the show go because people were still watching it. (Despite CBS moving it all over the schedule in the later years.)

It may have seemd liek it ended i '80 but that's because,yes, Polly Holiday got her own series (which despite critcial raves,got cancelled in it;s 2nd season).

Like most long runing shows of the 70s into the 80s,it ended by 1985. All that was left of 70s sitcoms then was Diff'rent Strokes (ended 1986) & The Facts Of Life (ended May of 1988,25 years ago this month.)



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How did M*A*S*H stay on 11 years, and Cheers for 11?? People were still watching them, that's why. Not too hard to figure out.

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The diffenence is that "M*A*S*H" and "Cheers" were great shows. This show was horrible and should have been cancelled after 2-3 seasons.

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According to you, but it got good Nielsen ratings, so obviously not everyone agreed with you.

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I have great memories watching Alice with my parents when I was a kid. I sort of forgot about it when I got older then they started playing it on antenna tv. I DVR a whole bunch of them and began watching it them with my wife and kids. To my delight they all love the show. I don’t understand the hate on Jolene, I love it every time Mel yells “Bag it Blondie”! I couldn’t care less about MASH or cheers, But everyone’s different.

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As someone else stated, there wasnt much choice back in the day since there were only three main networks and whatever local channels playing reruns thereby allowing shows like Alice and a few others to become somewhat like institutions, even though Happy Days was a hit clearly it should've gone directly off the air after Ron Howard exited the series yet it stayed on another four years.

'When there's no more room in Hollywood, remakes shall walk the Earth.'

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I watched this show faithfully when I was a kid, but kind of trailed off once I reached High School, but I remember the early seasons were very good. Silly, but good. Some shows do not hold up very well after so many years, and I thought Alice would be one of those shows, but someone posted an episode on Facebook on Polly Holliday's birthday and I watched it and it holds up surprisingly well. Very cute and silly and still funny after all these years. Just because one person thinks a show is awful, doesn't mean it actually is.

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It was a good sort of mediocre. Also, hotties did not rule the air waves in the 1970's so there was room for Lavin to be on TV and be appealing even if she was not hot. People seemed like they had less money for entertainment back then so more people spent their idle hours watching television versus going out. In the small towns back then you did not have malls and such to go to. No internet. The main subject of a single (widowed) mom was novel for the day.

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Happy Days stayed on bc of Henry Winkler/The Fonz.....note there was next to no merchandise w ritchie cunningham's face on it.

Guaranteed if Winkler had left Happy Days would have been pulled in an instant.

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Eddie, you are old enough to know that the correct saying is “back in the OLD DAYS.”

Eschew ghettospeak.

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'Alice' was definitely a hit show for many years. The first season did not do too well in the ratings, but when the episodes were rerun that first summer, it was suddenly a smash hit and it performed strongly for many years.

Some people are saying there weren't many choices-- there were still two other networks and shows were by and large much better then, so even with less choice, there was still formidable competition (would you rather have 500 channels of poor quality programming, or 3 channels with classic programming?).

But the reason this show was a success for so long was the fact that it was grouped with CBS' other top shows on Sunday evenings for many years: there was 'All in the Family' followed by 'One Day at a Time,' then 'The Jeffersons' and "Alice,' followed by 'Trapper John M.D.' All of these shows lasted a long time. It was comfort TV, and a lot of families looked forward to these shows each weekend.

The switch from Polly Holiday to Diane Ladd to Celia Weston did not hurt this show, and Weston made the exact same amount of episodes as Holiday-- so I don't think we can say that one era of this show outperformed the other.

'Alice' probably would have lasted ten or eleven years if it had not been moved in its final season to Wednesdays, which was where CBS dumped it and 'The Jeffersons,' thinking the shows were too old and expensive. They were put up against 'Dynasty,' which in 1984/85 was the top-rated show. So CBS deliberately sabotaged these two long-running programs which if they had been allowed to continue on Sunday would no doubt have continued even longer.

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I thought "Alice" and "The Jeffersons" met their demise at the hands of "A Team" on Tuesdays. 1984/85 was my freshman year in college and I didn't have much time for TV...but did watch "Cheers" and "Night Court" on Thursdays and "Murder, She Wrote" on Sundays.

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I thought "Alice" and "The Jeffersons" met their demise at the hands of "A Team" on Tuesdays. 1984/85 was my freshman year in college and I didn't have much time for TV...but did watch "Cheers" and "Night Court" on Thursdays and "Murder, She Wrote" on Sundays.

I just checked some old network schedules, and it looks like 'Alice' was moved from its Sunday slot over to Wednesday during the 1982-83 season, opposite ABC's 'The Fall Guy' and NBC's 'The Facts of Life.' Then it was moved back to Sunday evenings for the 1983-84 season. And after that, in 1984-85, it was moved to Tuesday with 'The Jeffersons' to go up against 'The A-Team.'

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the 70's had kinda a working class thing going on (taxi, alice, good times) shows which weren't going to really 'change things. The writers...etc were still going to be rich but were going to bring up issues people rioted for in the 1960's. This was their contribution now.

Well people did not want this in the 1980's. Different times/different audiences. People wanted escapism. Action adventure, wealth and power.

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