Significance of the glove in the elevator?
When Condor and Sydows' character are in the elevator, there's a stray glove that looks exactly like Sydow's, but he already had a pair on. Whose was it/what was it doing there?
shareWhen Condor and Sydows' character are in the elevator, there's a stray glove that looks exactly like Sydow's, but he already had a pair on. Whose was it/what was it doing there?
shareA simple device to show Joubert bowing to his superior---Condor----that's why he can't kill him . . . he's rendering obeisance . . . if you will, he can only show respect to him . . . you hve to catch on to what's really going on in this remarkable film . . . one of the best ever . . .
shareI think there was a little of that but also he was probing to see if there was really more to his target than met the eye and he used the glove as an excuse to make a first one on one contact.
shareI'm thinking that was a scene created to add/heighten tension between them. Condor has a gut feeling about Joubert and Joubert feels that Condor is on to him.
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The movie has a plot hole?!?
EVERY FRIGGIN' MOVIE HAS A FRIGGIN' PLOT HOLE!!!!! (¬_¬)
I thought the elevator scene was great, simply because it gave Joubert a personality. Movie killers are typically cartoonish, 2-dimemsional, anti-social thugs. Joubert was polite, civil, and engaging, even with one of his targets. In a lesser movie, Joubert and Turner would have just rode the elevator in awkward silence. Instead, Joubert is friendly, disarming, even, despite the fact that he's tasked with killing Turner. Joubert is smart enough to wait until the most opportune time, and it's not in the elevator. So, he simply acts like any other polite stranger might act in the same situation.
In fact, it just occurred to me that the kid who pushed all the elevator buttons might actually have saved Turner's life. If he hadn't, Joubert could have conceivably had enough time to kill Turner in the elevator before the doors opened at the ground floor. But with the doors stopping at every floor, well, Joubert knew it might not have been the cleanest assassination, and just waited. It also explains why Joubert got in the elevator, at all. Otherwise, why didn't he take the stairs, beat Turner to the ground floor, then get a shot at him outside without Turner knowing he was there?
Regardless, I like Max Von Sydow's Joubert as one of the best movie villians, or at least, assassins, right up there with characters like Pulp Fiction's Jules and Vincent. Just the polite way he speaks, from telling Turner's girlfriend to "Please move away from the window" to the European way he later tells Turner "Please to set the gun down on the desk" and, later, when he tells Turner about returning to NYC, "You have not much future there". The way he uses the infinitive version of the verb 'to set' rather than the simple imperative is a small, but noticeable, part of it.
Respect or no, he's going to do his job as best he can. Remember, he tries to snipe him a few minutes later, so he'll clearly kill him as best he can.
shareRemember, he tries to snipe him a few minutes later, so he'll clearly kill him as best he can.True, but only because he had a business arraignment with Atwood. The company didn't want Condor dead, and neither did Joubert.
I took it as a signal. There was a second person in on killing Turner, perhaps waiting on the ground floor. perhaps a "cleaner" (maybe Leon!).
1. The glove is just like Joubert's, which look European to me. Not easily found among the denizens of a low-rent apartment building.
2. It appears Joubert has dropped the glove. It's not in a place where he'd normally notice it.
3. The care with which Joubert hangs the glove parallels some other moves in the film, e.g. "Walk away from the phone, do not hang up." and before the mass-hit when Joubert carefully inserts his umbrella into the sidewalk trash can.
At first I thought it might merely be symbolic, but couldn't find the answer to that one.
On the other hand, it does give Joubert and Turner an excuse to talk, and hanging the glove there shows how polite, rule-bound and refined Joubert is.
Turner described Joubert to Higgins, based on this brief, ambiguous encounter as..."tall, about 6'4", blonde, Germanic appearing", all of which were accurate observations, but from where did he draw the conclusion that he was "strong, like a farmer"?
shareI thought it was just some kind of trick on the viewer. He bends over and you're afraid he's going to do something like jam a knife in his gut, but then he doesn't.
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