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Why Didn't Harry Join Forces With the 'Bad Cops'?


Harry was just like them. He was fooling himself.

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Just like them? You're the one fooling yourself if you think that.

Yeah Harry sees nothing wrong with the death squad killing the criminals, but what about the unarmed people who weren't? And Charlie? They were all killed just because they were there. Harry wouldn't have killed them.

This film is meant to show how Harry, while not caring about criminal rights and how while he'd rather blow a hole through the guy holding the guns chest, but how he's also not a moral-less vigilante who kills when he doesn't necessarily have to.

Take the very first guy he shoots in the first film for example, if he was "just like them." he'd have simply reloaded his gun and blew the guys head off, but he didn't because he's not a vigilante who kills criminals even if they're unarmed and injured just because they're criminals.

And then take the end of the first film as another example, had Scorpio not went for his gun and surrendered, he wouldn't have blown him into the river.

Harry may be a cop who plays by his own rules where criminals with guns should be shot on sight, but he's not a vigilante who believes they he should put a .44 magnum sized hole in their heads just for the sake of doing it.

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I see the point some people are making but honestly Briggs and the rogue motorcycle cops took things way too far. While them killing the bad guys who escaped punishment by the system such as the guy who got off on a technicality it didn't bother me as much but was still murder. However they went overboard when they murdered Early, McCoy, and tried to murder Harry. I think Harry didn't have much of a problem with them until they felt the need to kill innocent cops and witnesses who would expose them. Harry was wrong and hypocritical when he murdered Briggs with the bomb. I think he should've let the system take its course into that matter. Briggs threatened to railroad him but it would be impossible to do that as there were witnesses who saw Harry removing a bomb from his mailbox. Also the guys were guilty of murdering the pimp who had no arrest or trial. Murder is murder, whether it be the murder of an honest cop, a mobster, or an innocent civilian. Also Harry was wrong in the Enforcer when he shot an unarmed man in the back and also let a serial killer get away with murder in Sudden Impact.

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Harry never liked corrupt cops nor corrupt politicians or liberal bleed heart. Briggs and his crew went indeed too far. Also when Mc Coy is killed, Harry has alread a suspicion that Davis did it. He also says to Early before he is killed that the bullet that killed the pimp was matching from the one shot from Davis's gun during the competition.Even if Dirty Harry has very expeditive and questionable methods at least he makes sure the criminals never harm the innocent again.

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He toed the line but never crossed it. The cop vigilantes on the other hand wanted to be heroes overnight, (remember during the shooting competition how Davis draws his gun cowboy style) and as people said before, they didn't care about collateral damage but more about saving their own skins.

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He dipped his big toe over it!

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Briggs just needed a little patience.

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If you're talking about The Enforcer, Harry shot that guy in the back of his 'nut sac' if you get my drift.






Why can't you wretched prey creatures understand that the Universe doesn't owe you anything!?

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Harry was not just like them. In "Dirty Harry," Callahan is put in Catch-22 position when he has no time to get the location of the 14YO girl to keep her from suffocating to death. This is not a typical cop/suspect situation. Callahan knows he has to get the information because time is running out for the kidnapped girl; he has no time to follow procedure.

Callahan also never shoots someone who is not initially shooting at him.

He's nothing like the vigilante cops in this picture.

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Who ever posted "Harry does not believe in killing innocents to exact justice. He was *not* like them. He pretty much explains his reasoning right in the movie." is 100% right. This is basically what he tells Hal Holbrooks' character in the car near the end of the movie.

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When the original "Dirty Harry" came out in 1971 liberalism was more ascendent than it is today (yes, Fox News SAYS liberalism is ascendent today, but it isn't really). A lot of people (like Roger Ebert) called Harry a "fascist".

This movie tries to answer that by giving him a black friend, an Asian girlfriend, and a bunch of TRULY fascist, merciless vigilantes who are somehow connected to his seemingly liberal critics like Hal Holbrook's character. But whether Harry is a "fascist" or not, the villains in this are cartoonish. Real fascists don't think of themselves as killing innocent people; they just think THEY are qualified to decide who is guilty and who is innocent, and they see the world as neatly divided between the two with no moral gray areas. For instance, Augusto Pinochet (google him) killed about 10,000 defenseless people in this era, but I don't think he considered any of them innocent and he felt he was a patriot doing his country a big favor. That's what makes fascists dangerous.

I love "Dirty Harry" and I have a fondness even for this rather morally confused mess. The original Dirty Harry is neither a "good guy" or a "bad guy", but rather a very morally AMBIGUOUS kind of noir-ish character caught between misguided liberalism and a lot of truly despicable elements of society. As the series approached the Reagan era though, a lot of the the moral complexity disappeared and I think maybe you could say the movies got a little "fascist".

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