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Why Didn't Harry Join Forces With the 'Bad Cops'?


Harry was just like them. He was fooling himself.

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The bad cops killed everyone at the pool party. Everyone there was a criminal that warranted that? Harry would never kill all those unarmed people and would not have killed the pimp but tried to bust him and certainly not the labor union guys in the limo. Only reason he killed the punk in "Dirty Harry" was that guy was getting progressive worse by the day. Killing, assassinating, kidnapping a school bus of kids. Heck he was going to be teamed up with Osama soon at that rate. Harry is rough around the edges but not a meaningless cold blooded killer like them. Killed the Lt. Briggs in the end with the bomb but so what? He said he was going to keep on and get Harry for murdering three cops. That means the death penalty. He like all the others was an immediate threat to Callahan and other cops that didn't play ball.

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The punk(Scorpio)did reach for hus gun before Harry finished him off.

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These guys were cops killers too. Remember they killed Charlie McCoy, blew up his partner and put a bomb in his box. They were just thugs with badges.

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What I don't understand is that Sweet was one of the Bad Cops, however, he was sacraficed. I know Charlie McCoy had to die because he was simply at the wrong place at the wrong time. He would have ruined their operation. Why was Sweet sacraficed?

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Harry is not like them, as he says "I would have upheld the law...".

He may not follow procedures by the book, but the point of the movie is showing that Harry wasn't the psycho rogue cop the vigilantes were.

He's just a normal guy doing a dirty job.

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It's probably not so much they killed worthless scum outside the boundaries of the law that was his main concern, but that they killed the witnesses, the collateral damage, as well.

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Im guessing sweet was sacrificed was to throw harry of the trail, if he thought one of the cops he believed was in on the killings was killed he may have been wrong. David souls character i reckon was in on sweet getting killed, he did not look to shocked about it, the main older cop obviously talked him round, by saying one of them had to die to make it look more believable, and to stop them all being caught

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I have a slightly different take on Sweet. I just watched these scenes again, it was Harry who suggested Davis and Sweet make the arrest. I don't think, in this instance, Davis was intending to get Sweet killed. (Though he was certainly guilty of murdering Charlie, and certainly would have sacrificed other cops).

Lt. Briggs was the schemer who arranged the arrest, and it was he who called Palancio's thug and told him they were about to get hit. I don't think Briggs was targeting Sweet specifically either, he just wanted to create chaos, (hopefully to get Harry killed in the gunfight). To get Harry, Briggs was willing to sacrifice Davis, Sweet, and the other officers. If Harry survived, but Davis and Sweet died, Harry would still be thrown off the trail. Briggs could then replace the fallen cop/assassins with new ones.

At this point in the movie, Harry knew Davis had killed Charlie, and he suspected Sweet, (because he had found the pimp's body). Harry knew Palancio was the likely "next victim" and would have preferred to arrest him and use him to get information to thwart the death squad. Harry wanted the two cops to make the arrest, I think, because that way they would be watched, and could not kill Palancio without being seen by the other cops. (He did not suspect Briggs at this point).

This is a fantastic movie btw. Not many movies generate as much discussion as this one.





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Harry does not believe in killing innocents to exact justice. He was *not* like them. He pretty much explains his reasoning right in the movie.

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Harry doesn't actually believe he's above the law. He just has such strong personal values that he sometimes goes outside the law. He disagrees with the law, therefore he breaks it.

The killing squad in Magnum Force are entirely different. Unlike Harry, they actually believe that they are above the law.

Critics of Dirty Harry don't understand that Harry is actually a better man than many real cops. The sad thing is that while cultural critics were decrying Dirty Harry for its "fascism," while believing that because of things like the Miranda rights, we were becoming a more "moral" nation, REAL cops were becoming more and more like the vigilantes in Magnum Force. (I live in New York State. I've lost count of how many cops have killed or beaten innocent bystanders without reason and gotten away with it.)

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Harry didn't really care about the bad cops or their actions until they knocked off McCoy, an innocent officer, which crossed the line for Harry. What I don't get is why did Harry let Jennifer from Sudden Impact go free, when she clearly murdered four former rapists in cold blood, and let the blame be placed on the final rapist.

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Harry felt sympathy over Jennifer's past of being a victim of a violent crime. Harry's solemly dedicated to protecting or avenging those who have been a victim of violent crimes, alas Ann Mary Deacon. The difference though between him and the cops, are that they nick pick and kill who they see as criminal, even after they were let go. But for Harry's sake, he doesn't follow them and kill them in cold blood, not unless if there is a threatening situation, that he'll then attempt to stop the threat at any cost, and if necessary he'll then use deadly force against the perp.

OBVIOUSLY

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bv-j, I wouldn't say that Harry "murdered" Briggs. Briggs flat out told Harry that he was going to hang all sorts of false charges on him and make him the scapegoat for the whole mess....the only reason Briggs didn't kill him outright was that he needed him alive for that purpose. Besides, ultimately, the assasination attempt on Harry (bomb in his mailbox) was on Briggs' orders. He started it, and Harry finished it.

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Exactly. He explains "Pretty soon, you'll be killing folks over parking tickets". The fact that they did not care about collateral damage shows IMHO that they were not "real" cops, just a bunch of psychopath who took the law as an excuse to kill people indiscriminately. No moral high grounds justifies killing innocents for being there or anotrher cop to save your bacon and keep on killing. That's why Harry is different : he barely kills people in cold blood, even Scorpio. What would hav e happened if Scorpio had put down the gun ? I doubt Harry would have shot him, and Harry throwing his badge at the end of part one remains a point of discussion (maybe, even though he does not kill him in cold blood, he feels no longer worthy to be a policeman ?)

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Guess he wasn´t such a fascist after all.



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If Harry would've agreed with the rogue cops in the parking garage to join their cause, do you think the mail bomb still would've gone off and killed Harry? That was the very next scene, and it seems if he oined them, he was still a dead man.

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The bad cops were just vigilantes with a badge.

Its that man again!!

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Would have made a better story if he had joined the baddies. In a month they would have cleaned up SF of all the scum

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