Callie's crime?


What was Callie's crime? What did she ever do for the stranger to rape her? She was totally innocent. It was totally unnecessary.

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She was a crazy, dishonest woman. She was the wife/girlfriend of one of the outlaws that killed Sheriff Duncan.

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What was Callie's crime?


She was complicit in the murder of Sheriff Duncan as everyone else in town (except for Mordecai) was. Many of the others lost their lives to pay for the crime, she only lost her "self respect"...


What did she ever do for the stranger to rape her?



Well, he didn't rape her for sh$ts and giggles. Callie first verbally then physically attacked The Stranger which prompted his attack. She had several opportunities after her first attack on him to walk away but she kept it up.

Face it, had Callie been a man the Stranger would have killed him. Because Callie was female, she got to live.

I never realized how misandrist that scene was!!! Thanks for pointing that out.



Is very bad to steal Jobu's rum. Is very bad.

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"Because Callie was female, she got to live."

But he still greatly humiliated her and hurt her with the act, and for many victims, it is almost as bad as death or at least it is very hurtful emotionally as well as physically.

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But she got to live.

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Even so - that kind of humiliation at the very least is also bad and horrible and for many its a life ruined.

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Almost as bad as death or at least as bad as death, can't be both.
In this case, certainly neither. The vast majority of rapes are nowhere near as bad as death. It is far better to live with trauma, than not to live at all. You can become just as traumatised from a mugging as from a rape - a rape isn't automatically worse. And it's got to be a particularly gruesome case of it for it to rival DEATH, and this particular case was not.

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Well, perhaps it can differ but still...

Also, in my life, I was often told tales about how bad it is and it was told that, well, it is definitely worse than assault or mugging and OK maybe not as bad as murder, but also that, unlike murder, it can never be justified or excused via insanity or self defense.

And that the perpetrator who does it is indeed cruel, selfish and bad as well as nasty but also particularly dangerous, hence why we have special offender lists and desires for longer sentences here.

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Most rapes are perpetrated by someone close to the victim, meaning there's a violation of trust on top of everything. To be assaulted by someone you trusted is always going to be much more traumatising than to be assaulted by a stranger you never trusted in the first place. I have been with a total of three girls who have experienced rape, and none of them were basket cases. None of them had let the rape define them, so clearly death would not have been preferable for any of them.

Also, murder is defined as wrongful killing, meaning you cannot murder in self defence. If you kill in self defence, it is not murder. As for insanity, why would it not apply to rape the same way it could apply to murder?

And that the perpetrator who does it is indeed cruel, selfish and bad as well as nasty but also particularly dangerous, hence why we have special offender lists and desires for longer sentences here.

Sex offender registries are a fairly recent thing. California was the first state in the US to establish one, in 1947, but most did not follow suit until the '90s.

Also, in the 19th century, sexual crimes were not viewed with the same lenses as today. The worst sexual crime back then was homosexuality. Rape was bad, but mainly because it made the woman damaged goods - from a marriage perspective. If she were already married, the husband was considered the main offended party. They didn't even have ages of consent back then, but rather ages of eligibility to marry - and that age, in the US, ranged from 7 to 12 years of age. Rather puts things in perspective.

And yes, it is true that punishment for rape was harsher in those days than today, but then all punishments were harsher in those days. Flogging was commonplace, and many more crimes were capital crimes back then. Depending on local jurisdiction, you might be hanged for petty theft. Those were very different times. We would not like to have lived in those days - but by the same token, they would not have liked to live in ours. People tend to prefer the morals they were raised with.

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You sure seem to know quite a lot about the subject I give you that.

It also can be and often is physically painful and emotionally damaging. And it makes the perpetrator despicable. Even if it didn't have all those social consequences it would still be hurtful and wrong in and of itself.

"The worst sexual crime back then was homosexuality."
Sad, innit? Also, was it really a "sexual crime" JUST being a homosexual? The law was immoral then in any case if that was the case. Maybe it was more of a "gender" or "orientation" crime or maybe a bad mixture?

And the law apparently is NEVER perfect and just based on empathy with all those aforementioned issues, in the past over 200 years ago probably more so.

"None of them had let the rape define them, so clearly death would not have been preferable for any of them."
Were they by extension then - also not totally "unforgiving" towards their perpetrator and spend their lives wishing they were jailed or dead as a form of justifiable vengeance? (Even in this film, Callie attempts to shoot Clint Eastwood's character as a result for what he did to her.)

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It also can be and often is physically painful and emotionally damaging. And it makes the perpetrator despicable. Even if it didn't have all those social consequences it would still be hurtful and wrong in and of itself.

Yes, but that was kind of the point. If it had been a guy, the beating and humiliation he would have received would have been for the same purpose - to cause damage both physically and emotionally.

As for homosexuality, it was homosexual acts which were illegal. Homosexuality was not recognised as a sexual persuasion, it was simply labelled as perversion - the act itself called sodomy or buggery.

The 19th century was a time when legislators in the Western world started to view homosexuality with more leniency and question the appropriateness of the death sentence. Popular opinion has lagged behind, however, with vocal support for the death penalty being relatively uncontroversial until... well, almost these days. Possibly the worst single anti-gay crime in recent times was the 1973 arson attack on the UpStairs Lounge, resulting in 32 deaths and 15 injuries. It was not addressed by city authorities, and received a minimum of attention in the media. To most people, it was a source of cheap jokes.

Were they by extension then - also not totally "unforgiving" towards their perpetrator and spend their lives wishing they were jailed or dead as a form of justifiable vengeance? (Even in this film, Callie attempts to shoot Clint Eastwood's character as a result for what he did to her.)

No, not unforgiving at all, actually. One of them was raped at a party when she was 13 - it was her first sexual encounter. She wasn't supposed to be at that party, so she never told her parents. She did not know the man, but she told me she could tell that he was not loved. She was 26 when she told me this, at which point she said she felt more pity than resentment for her attacker.

Another girlfriend of mine was raped by her then-boyfriend when she tried to break up with him. It was an emotionally abusive relationship, and the trauma was more from the relationship as a whole rather than that single event - even though that was horrific enough. And yet, she said she had never stopped loving him. She did have emotional issues, but these predated that boyfriend - and were probably why she hooked up with him in the first place.

The third one, I don't have all the details. She was sexually abused by her uncle as a child, but she did not tell me more than that. She did, however, tell me of a time she had sex with five guys. The first time she told me, she related it as a hot experience, telling me to turn me on. But later, when she gave more details, she recounted how these men had used her as a piece of meat, telling her how worthless she was. While she was a willing participant, it was obviously still abusive - and who knows what they would have done had she resisted.

That's the curious thing about sexuality, though, and it's a coping mechanism: a sexually traumatic event can either turn you very off, or it can turn you very on. It is not unusual at all for rape victims to use their traumatic experiences in their sexual fantasies. And rape fantasies are very common regardless, especially among women. Sexuality is arguably the most curious aspect of the human psyche.

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"Because Callie was female, she got to live."

But he still greatly humiliated her and hurt her with the act, and for many victims, it is almost as bad as death or at least it is very hurtful emotionally as well as physically.


Never having been raped, I can only suppose here, but I suspect that the level of emotional trauma a woman would experience from a rape might depend on her circumstances before hand. For instance, a woman who was a virgin, or married having only been with her husband, or even an experienced girl now in a committed monogamous relationship, etc. *might* be more traumatized than someone like Callie, who would appear to have been quite loose morally, particularly for the times.

Callie had consensual sex with her rapist after dining with him - apparently enjoying both the dinner and the show. Seems she was more angry with the stranger for getting away with the rape legally than actually being traumatized from the rape.

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