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The reason you're all arguing about the rape scene.


...is because it is a completely unrealistic, ridiculous scene. Rape victims do not start to enjoy the rape halfway through. That's why you're confused, because it's bulls#*t. And all the stuff she did that supposedly instigated the rape (whether you argue that she wanted to be taken by force or that she 'deserved' it) is also bulls#*t. That whole scene(s) was thought up by a man, written by a man, directed by a man and so on, and so of course she deserved it and wanted it, because everybody knows all men have magical d*cks, and if we women would just roll over and take it, we'd all be much better off and not be such up-tight b*tches.

No, not all men think that way, and yes, this is just a movie, but there are plenty of stupid, ignorant people out there who see something on TV or in a movie and take it as gospel. And this scene perpetuates this myth that 'no' means 'yes, but I just don't want to admit it, so I'm saying no.' Which is bulls#*t.

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How do you explain the fact that some rape victims have actually married their attackers?

http://www.xojane.com/it-happened-to-me/daleen-berry-married-rape

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That's clearly not the reason. This scene makes absolute perfect sense, and it's actually meaningful to the plot. You clearly didn't analyse the scene, where she intentionally bumps into him. She's playing games, she's interested. Yes, by today's standards it was rape, and on first watch I was a little disturbed by it, but you have to go back and watch again. This is taking place in the Nineteenth Century - This wouldn't of been uncommon.

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I agree the scene is ridiculous, partly because we're supposed to believe that all women desire this Clint Eastwood character to the point where they enjoy being raped by him.

Now obviously this woman is not a typical woman, she clearly has some very loose morals and has been around the block more than a few times. She definitely wanted to meet this mysterious stranger, although I don't think she was expecting him to just take her right then and there. But he does, in part because he is there to punish the town. And it shows that no one in the town has the courage to stand up to him, sheriff included, other than those three bullies that he killed in the barber shop.

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ITS' RAPE!! That's why she shot at him for not coming back for more, and the fact she had a nice romantic dinner with him after and another romp in the bed. Some women WANT to be aggressive and be taken aggressively it's human nature , but is comical how it only looks one way to you rape culturalists so easily on the "I'm sooo offended" band wagon. No one gives a *beep* what you linch mob internet trolls think.

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Right after the rape scene is a flashback where he is being whipped and there is a woman in the shadows looking on. Is she connected to the woman being raped in the prior scene?

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The woman in the shadows was her.

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ITS' RAPE!! That's why she shot at him for not coming back for more, and the fact she had a nice romantic dinner with him after and another romp in the bed. Some women WANT to be aggressive and be taken aggressively it's human nature , but is comical how it only looks one way to you rape culturalists so easily on the "I'm sooo offended" band wagon. No one gives a *beep* what you linch mob internet trolls think.


Right on brother!

It's so easy to tell who the PC liberal retards are in this thread. Bunch of losers need to get *beep* lives.

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" Wait a minute, you said rape twice?" "I like rape!"

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I think you need to consider that this is a period piece. Consequently, it is hardly bs.

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There doesn't seem to be any mention on IMdB about the 2006 or so DVD of HIgh Plains Drifter -- the edition with a blue cover. The rape-in-the-stable scene goes on and on, MUCH longer than in the 1973 theatrical release, and in the VHS version and the DVD version with earth tones on the cover. What I think we're watching is something that happened on the set, with nobody around except Eastwood, Hill, and a camera operator. Everybody else is told to leave the set. Pretty customary for sex scenes. Sometimes the actors actually get it on. What we're seeing here is one of those occurrences. It led to the rather odd blooper where Callie Travers being assaulted is being played by Marianna Hill who is obviously having a really good time. She's not acting.
Too bad that nobody thought that all the way through, to where they'd realize that the Audience is seeing something repugnant: a woman supposedly enjoying being raped. Dumb. But, as numerous guys writing in to this Board have tried to point out, back in the day that was ... what? okay? Understandable? de rigeur? I don't know; in 1973 it made it to the screen.

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Most of those commenting it was "back in the day" are referring to the era the movie depicts, not the year it was made.

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Most of those commenting it was "back in the day" are referring to the era the movie depicts, not the year it was made.

I was just commenting on how it was back in the day, and I specifically was referring to 1973 , not the 1880s (the dates given on the tombstones in the Lago cemetery). Throw in that extra hundred years, back to what you call the era the movie depicts -- the 1880s -- and what The STranger did to Callie Travers was in every way just exactly what Callie yelled to her husband and all the other guys a day later at their meeting: "Isn't forcible rape in broad daylight going far enough?" (or maybe she said "going too far", after her husband Mort said "Just wait and someday a fella like that is going to go too far".)

It's another instance in High Plains Drifter where the character of The STranger draws on the supernatural: We've always attributed sexual prowess, albeit usual somewhat perverted sexual prowess, to both witches and the Devil; incubus and succubus et al. They'll steal your heart but they're cold as ice. Imagine that? Much later on in life, Clint Eastwood seemed to have misgivings about portraying violent gunslingers and said that he made The Unforgiven partly to de-mythologize this fastest-gun-in-the-West mythology. (Of course, we all are aware that The Unforgiven was actually penned by David W Peoples in about the same year or so that Ernest Tidyman wrote High Plains Drifter; and Clint bought it but couldn't bring himself to bring it to the screen; just my opinion, maybe it was a good business decision or whatever.) Doesn't really matter; what the character of The Stranger adds up to is a manifestation of Divine Retribution, which IMHO is the hardest story to tell of them all, it's so easy for the willing suspension of disbelief to vanish like the haze on the meadow. But that's what's so magical about High Plains Drifter: That Stranger character is just going to do what he's going to do and if it's Divine Retribution , well, I guess it's Divine Retribution.

Carting everything and everybody up to Mono Lake for a month or two -- where there is NOTHING to distract you --- meant that everybody was totally in character and giving a Stanislavskian "true performance" moreso than has ever been achieved before or since, or will ever be, probably. The rape scene in the stables can't even break that spell -- she's so obviously enjoying the intercourse, the Audience can accept that without questioning it; can keep on believing that "It's a woman who's being taken against her will and it's God's will!" and if the Lord wants her to feel pleasure, well, that's the way it shall be. (my previous comment on This Thread was about how , in the real world, the world of 1973 especially, it was standard practice to clear the set so the Actors could, if they wished, do a good job of getting into character for sex scenes, ie get it on.)

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Richard,

Interesting info here, especially the angle on the actual shooting of the film an this scene. It explains a lot about what we see.

But I am not sure it totally explains the edit choices.

To be clear they had to have been conscious that the way Callie looked as the scene neared the end would be noticed. Now, that doesn't make their choice invalid, to me, and not because I think rape victims enjoy being raped. It has I think more to do with the general sense in which the townspeople know they are guilty, and what might be the connection between that sense of guilt and what possible penalty, or penance, they must pay.

Take the scene where Belding sees how his hotel has been damaged by the explosion in the Stranger's room. He says something like "They told me they wouldn't damage the hotel..." and cuts himself off when he realizes the Stranger has heard what he said. When he does he has a guilty expression, says nothing. Soon the Stranger tells him he will be staying in the Beldings' bedroom, and drags Sarah there. Belding is unhappy of course, and to some extent his doing nothing is based on the obvious fear that he could not defeat the Stranger, one on one. But I think there is also an element of acceptance of his fate, of his penance.

This is really a theme central to the film. The whole middle third consists of the townspeople shown accepting the price the Stranger requires they pay to him and to those the Stranger chooses to benefit, and why? Because they know their complicity in Duncan's death and the attempt to hide the true ownership of the mine not only require it, but more than that they know on some level that they are so required because what they did was wrong.

Callie's backstory is not evident so early in the film when the encounter in the barn occurs. But even by then we see how she initiated the encounter and tried to intimidate the Stranger. Yes, today we accept that that does not mean she gave away her right to say no and what that would mean. But she also knew not only that she had initiated the encounter, but about her own backstory that we learn more of as the film progresses.

We soon see her go to the barbershop with a pistol, ineffectively (why so ineffective? but I digress) firing at the Stranger. Why? I think it clear she is making an attempt to get some measure of respect back from the rest of the townspeople, which we have reason to believe is a foolish goal on her part. The only people who seem to go along with her are the driver of the wagon, who I think it clear hopes to obtain something, probably sexual favors, from her. And later when Mort comes up with a plan to kill the Stranger in order to be rid of him and avoid paying him.

What I hope I am saying is the whole encounter we come to see in Callie's mind is tied up with her own guilt, her own penance for past misdeeds, recognition of her own moral failures, but all coupled with an angry pushing back in order to obtain some respect that she does not get.

When Mordecai later says after her failed attempt to shoot the Stranger "Maybe it's because you didn't go back for more." that at first sounds like a general comment about women and rape. But I think the better understanding is that Mordecai is saying that is Callie we are talking about, not women in general. He seems to be referring to her past.

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It's because it's an internet message board.

Go over to the Deliverance board, and that's mostly what they're talking about there too.

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"...if we women would just roll over and take it, we'd all be much better off and not be such up-tight b*tches."

I couldn't have said it better myself.


-- "Mulder, toads just fell from the sky!"

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