Let's be honest--the mysteries on this show kind of sucked, and the resolutions rarely made any sense. What works is the character, and one of the things that stands out about him is that he scores a whole hell of a lot, with a wide variety of beautiful women, only one of whom is ever seen again afterwards (and best as I can tell, Banacek never beds her again afterwards, though they make it almost obnoxiously clear that she secretly wishes he would).
So ep by ep, this thread exists to document the varied (though at the same time rather predictable) love life of Thomas Banacek. Starting with "Detour to Nowhere".
In the pilot, as I recall, he just sleeps with Carlie, who basically throws herself at him, partly because she wants to, and partly because she's hoping to gain an advantage in the investigation by doing so. He enjoys her, and then shows her up anyway.
AKA "Victoria may have her secrets, but she certainly has no principals." Sorry, had to go there.
Victoria Principal was about 24 when she appeared in the penultimate Banacek (as the penultimate Bana-chick)--just slightly younger than Christine Belford, but was not half the actress Belford was. Nor was she ever anything approaching a good actress, but when you look like that in a bikini, who cares? Well, I do--kinda.
Here's the thing--Banacek definitely beds her, and she him--there's no doubt about it. But her aims are purely mercenary--and being such a poor actress, Principal can't (as Belford's Carlie might, in an equivalent situation) show that she might actually want to give Banacek a tumble if she didn't have her marching orders to march him into bed, to keep him occupied. Even Linda Evans, hardly a master thespian, was able to make us believe that however self-interested her seduction might be, Banacek was a childhood crush of hers, that she truly enjoyed seducing. Principal's character seems to mainly be a blank. That's partly the writing, and partly the actress. They don't even kiss. She just flashes him in a raincoat, and then fade to sex.
Therefore, I am not counting this as a score. Even though they definitely hook up, even though Principal's character has a name, and lines, and everything. Victoria may have no principals, but The Scorecard does. The sex is PURELY for the purposes of distraction, and had nothing to do with Banacek's powers of persuasion over the opposite sex. If the investigator on the case was Tom Bosley--playing Father Dowling--she'd have tried the same moves on him. And they'd probably have worked, because damn that woman had a fantastic body. And no idea how to act.
However, as is often the case, Banacek has a back-up--referred to specifically as such in the script, and apparently her name is Gina, and she does have lines, and they are heading for Banacek's pad at the end, and though she's not as hot as Victoria Principal, at least we know that her motivations are strictly carnal. The Scorecard is at 17. 20 is looking like an outside shot now, but let's proceed with all due optimism.
Wow! No love for Victoria, she is a crappy actress. I'm afraid I have to disagree with you, she counts as a score. Didn't you ever have sex to have sex? So put it in that category. Plus for god's sake, it's Victoria Principal! At the height of her kittenish. For whatever the reason, she's gotta count. If your a red blooded heterosexual male, she must go down as a score.
Your dissenting vote is, of course, duly noted. But to me, it's like somebody hiring an escort service to send you a woman (not that this has ever happened to me), and counting that as evidence of your seduction skills. The girl is just doing her job. And that's all Principal's character is doing. Okay, maybe she agreed a bit more readily than she had to--if they'd had a scene where the boyfriend proposes this, and she's a bit too eager to comply, I'd count it. But of course they can't put a scene like that in there without tipping us off to the denouement. And again, she's not a good enough actress to put that subtext in there. It's a judgment call, for sure. I certainly don't mind if you mark her down as a score. But for purposes of THE SCORECARD, Banacek may be a notch on her bedpost, but she is not one on his. Because it's about his CONQUESTS, and that's not what this is. I'm bending the rules far enough by counting Linda Evans.
There was perhaps no more deliciously winsome a guest actress in 70's TV than the sublimely lovely Gretchen Corbett. The Rockford Files was never the same for me after she left (due to a contract dispute with Universal)--I used to cheer, lovestruck teen that I was, when I saw her name appear in the credits. Ah, Beth Davenport! So much more appealing than the Beth Davenport played by Veronica Hamel on Hill St. Blues. Btw, was that some kind of homage to Rockford? Well, I digress.
I digress, because I hate to get to the point--that the producers, having acquired this priceless jewel for the final Banacek, due to the idiotic script they wrote, Banacek does not, in fact, get to acquire her for his collection. She and Peppard have wonderful chemistry--just as good as he had with Penny Fuller, in the previous season, which is a very high standard to equal. Her character confesses her attraction to Banacek, not that she needs to (because Gretchen Corbett was a really good actress, and she knows how to tell us what her character is feeling without coming out and saying it). Everything is all set up for what could have been Banacek's crowning glory. And what happens? He dresses up in a ridiculous magician's outfit. He exposes her father as a murderer. She, of course, can never contemplate carnal relations with him as a result. And he is driven off into his last sunset by a showgirl, in a tacky Italian sports car. I'm not sure if it's a Ferrari or a Lamborghini. I kept trying to get a look at the logo, to distract myself from the depressing finish I knew was coming.
The showgirl is a very fetching brunette, and she has lines, and a name, so The Scorecard is at 18. But that hardly makes up for the loss of Gretchen. And I was so looking forward to him making her magician's assistant costume disappear.
So what the hell happened there? Well, maybe they just figured Peppard was showing his age too much by this point--Corbett is playing a very nice very young girl--quite possibly a virgin--and back then there were rules about that, don't you know--dumb hypocritical rules, but still rules. We've seen Banacek pass on easy lay-ups before--he always wants the advantage, but he doesn't want TOO much of an advantage (because then he'd feel obligated, and thus would lose the advantage, get it?). But of course they chose to write it up like that, and I have to figure they had a pretty good idea this would be the last one. Maybe they thought it added an element of pathos, but that's kind of ruined by his going off with the showgirl.
It's a lousy episode, but what hurts is that it could have been a good one with a few minor tweaks.
Thankfully, since I still have to go back to review an earlier S2 episode, we will not have to conclude on such a sour note.
I wish I could make this episode disappear. Except for the scenes with Gretchen Corbett. Who was headed for better things, on a much better show. But she never had half the career she should have had, IMO.
You want to know how bad this one was, I had it figured out by the time the opening credits started rolling and I never figure out any mystery, especially the Banacek ones. You are right about "The Rockford Files", the show was never as good without Gretchen Corbett. So, if you ever get TRF on DVD, just get the 1st 3 seasons. She does appear a couple of times in season 4, but she is being wasted by this time. Gretchen and Christine Belford are just enjoyable actresses to watch. When it comes to playing a wide range of characters, it doesn't get better than those 2. All I have to do is point to the "Magnum P.I." episodes they appear in.
They were both contract players, which at the same time gave them a variety of roles, but kept them fairly limited in terms of the kind of roles they got. Belford's an interesting case--she had very little acting experience before Banacek, worked mostly as a model, but the talent is there--she's in her early 20's, and she totally convinces you she's this sophisticated experienced insurance investigator who must be in her early 30's, and has a failed marriage in her past. If Carlie were Belford's age, she'd have been a child bride.
And you're right--it's never a good sign when you figure out the mystery. But at this point, I think they were phoning these in. Peppard isn't even bothering to stay in shape--he looked very lean and mean in the early S2 episodes, but by the time we get to the last two, he's putting on weight, and looks older than he really is.
A magic angle just doesn't work for this show, because basically EVERY heist on Banacek is constructed like a magic trick. It's redundant.
I haven't watched Hill St. in a long time--didn't hold up well. Now that you say it, I remember it. But man, those Davenports--strong in the legal department.
It seems that when Banacek saw how spooked and nervous Corbett's Vicki was when they were alone in the Vegas hotel room, even he probably thought it'd be wiser not to come on too strong with her. But, wow, she sure looked cute in that assistant's costume.
Since the pilot was on the last disc of the Season 3 DVD set I Netflixed up, I thought I'd give it a once-over, just to refresh my memory. Strangely, I thought I remembered Christine Belford undressing in this one, and that was wishful thinking--ever notice how much sexier Carlie is in this one? In later eps, they alternated between her being the seductive career girl, and the dowdy harridan--depending on the needs of the script. And Belford, being an amazingly accomplished actress for her age, could handle anything they threw at her, which is obviously why they kept bringing her back.
Quite a lot of early 70's sexual politics in this--yes, we've reached the point where a woman can offer herself to a man she is not necessarily planning to marry (though the thought has probably crossed her mind), for reasons of both business and pleasure. But having done this, of course she's morally compromised herself--in a way somehow Banacek never does--they set that double standard right from the start.
Carlie does score one definite hit--she correctly guesses that Banacek got hurt by some female as a younger man (thus 'justifying' his subsequent campaign to bed every hot female guest star of the 70's). She's the closest thing to an equal Banacek ever meets--but still very far from an equal. The influence of "The Thomas Crown Affair" is obvious, but at least Faye Dunaway got to beat Steve McQueen at chess (notice how they imply Carlie is a chess whiz?).
This is the episode I have the strongest memories of from when it first aired. It was different from anything else on TV, and while it's not as impressive to me now as it was then, it's still a damned decent piece of entertainment. And Christine Belford was a damned decent piece of--well. Never mind. Times haven't changed that much.
I have not seen "The Thomas Crown Affair", everybody keeps telling me that Peppard was playing the McQueen character. When I 1st saw this episode on DVD, I wasn't that crazy about, but after a couple of viewings, it gets better every time. There is a great scene where Thomas and Felix are talking on the phone and you can sense the love between the two. Unfortunately they didn't have anymore of those scenes in the series.
I had COMPLETELY forgotten a lot of things about this one--like Jay conspiring with Carlie to try and thwart Banacek. And Banacek just forgets about it--I think he basically expects most people, men and women, to be dishonest and self-interested. When they're completely honest and upfront, it seems to throw him off-balance (like Gretchen Corbett's character in "Now You See Me, Now you Don't.").
But in this one, Peppard does show some of the hurt and disappointment that lies underneath Banacek's smug unflappable exterior. You also learn that his dad worked for the insurance company whose employees he keeps showing up--and that tells you that much as he loved his dad, watching him be a company man (and probably screwed over by that same company) made him want to be the opposite--a total free agent, answerable to no one. It really is a show about freedom, which is why it gets compared to The Thomas Crown Affair a lot. But Banacek is free strictly within the limits of the law. Making him more primetime friendly.
One scene that really stuck with me was the fight with the 'The Indian'--at the very young age I first saw it, I had a hard time processing what was going on, and I didn't understand why Banacek took a fall--I thought he actually lost the fight. And the sexual politics with Carlie--went completely over my head. And now the sex angle is basically all that interests me about the show. Funny how time changes you.
The Boston Insurance Company was the one his dad worked for that is why he is such a thorn in their side. I've been told that where Banacek lives is the same place that Thomas Crown lived. Is that true?
Crown is a Bostonian, but are you asking if it's the same HOUSE they use for exterior shots in both the movie and the TV series? Let me google--yup! They weren't trying to hide their influences, that's for damn sure.
So a guy named Thomas Gray Otis lived in this house, and then Thomas Crown, and then Thomas Banacek. My, the things you learn on the internet! But you could imagine Thomas Crown's ancestors having built this place--Thomas Banacek's, not so much.
Btw, before I forget--my favorite bit of dialogue from the whole series is in the pilot, where Banacek explains his love of old things to Carlie--nice piece of writing, and absolutely right--there's always a lot more good old stuff than good new stuff. A comforting thing to tell oneself as the years go by.
"If Max Is So Smart, Why Doesn't He Tell Us Where He Is?" is the only episode The Scorecard has not covered. I'm pretty sure that's one I've never seen. And it's on the first disc of the Banacek S2 set--which Netflix says they have, but it's a 'very long wait'--and when I send back a DVD to them, they just send whatever is underneath it in the queue.
Now does this mean there are a bunch of people also waiting for this DVD, and I have to wait until all of them have seen it ahead of me?
Or does it mean that somebody decided the cheapest way to obtain this DVD was to get it from Netflix and not return it?
Or did it get lost in the mail?
Anyway, you can't blame me for not wanting to buy the entire DVD set for one episode. So we'll see how long this takes. In the meantime, The Scorecard holds at 18. 19 if you count Victoria Principal.
I missed a lot of them, first time around. And I only got DVR a few months back, so even since they started showing them in syndication recently, on Cozi and elsewhere, I wouldn't always catch them. If somebody else grabs the syndication rights, or Cozi brings it back, I'll definitely record it next time around, if Netflix doesn't come through. By hook or by crook, The Scorecard shall reach a final tally!
I think I'll be getting to view the one outstanding episode fairly soon (and I hope it is outstanding after all I went through to see it). Soon we shall know Banacek's final score. Try not to let anticipation keep you awake nights.
On the whole, I'm glad I finished with this one (and thank you, New York Public Library, for coming through where Netflix did not, even if it did take around two weeks). It's much better than the final S2 ep, even if not up to the standard of the best season one movies. And while technically Banacek does not seem to have sex with anyone DURING the events of this episode, it provides The Scorecard with a satisfying finale--and quite an interpretive challenge--lots of codes to crack.
We start off with Banacek and Carlie, having rehooked-up at the end of "No Stone Unturned", celebrating their return to connubiality in a lovely Boston park. As we saw before in the pilot, Banacek actually seems like he wants to get serious with her, but she's still got her guard up, and isn't fully honest with him (or willing to stop being a Company Gal), which gives him a handy excuse to once again get involved in a case she's working, and show her up. Honestly, much as he gets under her skin, I often think she gets under his even more. Somehow, the implication is that she reminds him of the woman who hurt him years ago, and made him the shameless sex-hungry scoundrel he is today. The woman whose existence, we should remember, she correctly intuited in the pilot. I would guess the writers are making a point that if Carlie would just be nice to Banacek, and offer herself to him without reservation, and not always be trying to beat him at his own game, she could be Mrs. Thomas Banacek, or at least the #1 concubine in his mighty harem. Carlie is basically one long jab at women's lib, as they called it back then. But Belford manages to make her a bit more than that (and at a few points in the episode, we get to see how pretty she really was, though GOD those pantsuits they make her wear would make Mr. Blackwell's Alltime Worst-dressed List easily).
Anyway, cut to some huge hospital complex full of sexy nurses who have a lounge where they can apparently wear harem attire if they want to (convenient for Banacek), and their own rooms where they can welcome guests if they want to (even more convenient for Banacek). Did any such hospitals exist outside the imaginations of sex-starved male TV writers, or guys who write softcore porn? I have no idea.
First of all, Banacek meets a very pretty and somewhat easy nurse played by the lovely Sabrina Scharf, yet another Star Trek alum (she played the Indian girl Kirk falls in love with while he has amnesia on that planet populated by romanticized Native Americans who mainly look like caucasian actors with spray tans). She's dating the slimy lothario played by Richard Jordan (who excels at slimy lotharios), but is clearly much more interested in Banacek, since he's a fine upstanding type of lothario. She flirts with Banacek, then winks at him.
Later, Banacek is at the aforementioned medical seraglio, I mean Nurses Lounge, and this chick named Wanda (played by Poupee Bocar, and I guess that must be her real name because who would make that up), dressed in a not-very-professional mid-riff baring outfit, comes on to him like crazy, and he to her--no wink, but it's not really needed, since Wanda doesn't play around (except in her room, which she goes out of her way to mention is private).
Still later, Banacek drops in to see Felix, and finds him trying to court yet another woman who is far too young for him. This character's name in the credits is 'girl' (what, not even "Yet another of Felix's young women"?), and she's played by a very appealing actress named Nancy Bonniwell (even though she's clearly of Asian descent), and she gives Banacek another wink.
And actually, Richard Jordan's character winks at Sabrina Scharf's Nurse Reever, to indicate they will be hooking up later once he can get away from Anne Baxter. Winking in this episode is code for sex, as is outright flirting. And here is where The Scorecard must make a daring judgment call--Banacek's final score is--drumroll please--21!
Remember, The Score stood at 18 before I got to view this episode. Remember that this is not all the women Banacek conceivably slept with in the course of the series, but all the female characters with actual lines of dialogue whom it is strongly implied that he either had sex with during an episode or shortly after the episode concludes. Victoria Principal's character from "Fly Me--If you Can Find Me" was disqualified because she only slept with him as a distraction at the behest of a villainous boyfriend, and because The Scorecard is a contrary bitch, who shall now say Banacek had sex with three women in the same episode, even though that's very equivocal, and his having sex with Principal's character is not. But hear me out.
Banacek is staying at the hospital a while, now that the case is solved. He's talking with four nurses about children's books, only one of whom has lines, that being Lois, played by the cute but not exactly ravishing Julie Rogers (who was probably capable of being a lot sexier than she is here), who loves the way he talks. I don't think Banacek is bedding Lois--she's not his type. And the other nurses don't have lines, so while Banacek is probably going to take them to bed (along with most of the female staff of this facility), they don't count.
But Scharf's Wyn Reever (who flirted and winked) is there at the hospital, and the slimy lothario has been banished from there, so she's available. So is the no-nonsense Wanda (who eschewed flirting and winking for an open proposition), and he'll be heading over to her room very shortly.
And once he's done at the hospital, who seriously thinks he's not going back to Felix's book emporium to steal that sexy Asian girl away from him (and not just to caress her ear lobes as part of some stupid New Agey mating ritual). She winked at Banacek, same as Wyn did, and we already know Banacek feels obliged to sleep with any inappropriately young woman Felix takes an interest in, because ALL OTHER MEN MUST FAIL. In this episode, a wink is as good as a nod. And she has lines (actually I think it's just one line, but that's enough).
It's all subtextual but not really that equivocal, and I swear I'm NOT just saying this so that The Scorecard ends on a satisfying note. You have to know how to read the signs. The Scorecard prides itself on its literacy. The Scorecard stands--for all time--at 21. I was thinking Banacek had no shot at 20, after Victoria Principal got disqualified, but you have to hand it to the guy--he finds a way. However improbable.
One thing I really noticed in this one (not that I hadn't before) is that moment that Banacek meets a woman, and she just looks at him, and melts--George Peppard was a good-looking guy, but not THAT much of a hunk, so we're just supposed to divine that Banacek has this irresistible charisma that women instantly fall under the spell of. It happens with Anne Baxter's surly matriarch too--there's a bit of a subtext there in that she desperately wishes she wasn't too old for him--says she was just a teenager when the 30's ended--a bit sad that She who was Eve Harrington should be reduced to such straits, particularly when you consider that George Peppard was only five years younger than her. But on this show, she's a withered crone. It's a man's world--enjoy it while you can, Banacek. Btw, if you get over to Yale, there's this chick named Hillary Rodham you ought to look up. She's dating this hick named Clinton, but you can beat his time easy. If you like Carlie, you'll LOVE her.
Never knock a public library. When there was still VHS,I went to library and got the tapes for free, which is for me. But they only carried classics or documentaries,beside the visional manuals. That's where I finally got to see CITIZEN KANE, 12 ANGRY MEN, THE MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE and much more. So, thanks to the public library, I've grown to love all kinds of movies. So, BOO-YEAH to Schenectady County Public Library! So you believe that Banacek was made "a male chaunivist pig" and was not born one. Carlie reminds him of the woman who scorns him. Look if I was going to be scorned, let her look like Christine Belford. BTW, she appeared in a great 1st season episode of MAGNUM P.I. called ADELAIDE. Belford played the title character in the episode. After seeing her in MAGNUM, she's got a lot of range as a actress. Proving you have to be more lucky than good. Thanks for reminding me about Sabrina Scharf as Kirk's native love interest. She is beautiful. I could fall madly in bed with her. You mentioned that all the women swoon when they meet Banacek. I have a easier time believing that than seeing all the women drool over Stacey Keach's MIKE HAMMER. Remember that show? But I have to admit I do enjoy that show as well. In another post he made my top ten tv detective. Of course our dear boy Thomas is still #1. The final score is 21. BLACKJACK!
While Banacek had to play the field quite a bit to get to that final blackjack score, I kind of wish they'd had him spend more time with Scharf's character. See what she looks like out of that nurse's uniform. Oh well. She looked quite nice enough in it--pity they don't wear those at hospitals anymore. Scrubs are more practical, I'm sure. Ever seen "Night Nurse" with Barbara Stanwyck?
As we've discussed, Banacek is a direct descendant of Thomas Crown--but Crown wasn't really a womanizer, per se--he was a bored millionaire who pulled heists, and had a hard time trusting anybody. Banacek is a working class boy (though his dad seems to have had a white collar job), who apparently got into trouble with the law in his youth (notice how in this one he runs into a former cop who seems to have busted him), got hurt by a woman, and watched his father throw his life away on a company that didn't appreciate him. So he hates authority, is wary of getting too close to women (but has to sleep with as many as possible), and prizes freedom and independence above all else--but stays within the limits of the law. They give him little bits of backstory here and there, to explain why he is the way he is.
And Carlie is a direct descendant of Faye Dunaway's character--who is drawn to Banacek, admires him, but is also his nemesis, and tends to betray him when the chips are down, because her first loyalty is to herself and to the company she works for. She's in love with him, but can't quite admit it--the double standard is that her sense of independence and self-interest is portrayed as a character defect, while in Banacek those same qualities are seen as virtues.
He views her with guarded interest--she's the closest thing to an equal he ever meets, and if he felt he could trust her--but he can't. Because the writers won't let him. Because Belford can't be in all the eps, and there's a lot of other delicious guest actresses out there in TVLand. They experimented with having her be his 'apprentice', but it didn't really work--they still have to bring in other women for him to go off with, and it cuts into the limited time they have to develop each new relationship--like "The Vanishing Chalice", where all of a sudden he's just going off with that horrible Cee Cee. The reason I like "The Greatest Collection of Them All" so much is that with no other women in the episode, and a really good actress playing the love interest, they have the time to develop that relationship much more fully, making the denouement much more satisfying.
I wish they'd done an episode where Banacek and Carlie were forced to REALLY work together closely, not at cross purposes, and maybe she opened up a bit more about herself. Belford does a lot with the role, but the role didn't do much for her.
I have a hard time seeing why women keep falling into bed with the Mike Hammer from the books. Pretty sure it was mostly guys reading those books, so how plausible does it need to be? I wonder what percentage of Banacek's audience was female? It is a pretty male-centric fantasy, even by the standards of the early 70's.
Btw, check out the Parker novels by Richard Stark--aka Donald Westlake--if you want some really well crafted crime novels, with a protagonist so ruggedly individual, he makes Mike Hammer look like Casper Milquetoast. And he meets some very interesting women along the way. The first one is "The Hunter", which is a bit atypical of the series as a whole. Now those books have quite a few avid female readers, for some reason. I live with one of them, in fact.
Thanks for the novels advice. As you can tell, I read mysteries and the authors I mostly read, Robert B. Parker James Patterson Raymond Chandler and of course Mickey Spillane. Mike Hammer novels are totally testerone driven stories. If you have or had ovaries, don't bother.
I've only recently started reading crime fiction--Donald Westlake has been my main focus, but I've also been reading Dashiell Hammett, some Chandler, Lawrence Block, Jim Thompson, and Peter Rabe.
I don't mind the testosterone in Spillane's work, but he's not exactly the brainiest writer I can name. My favorite adaptation of his work is Robert Aldrich's "Kiss Me Deadly", which satirizes it.
Definitely check out the Parker novels. Testosterone AND brains.
Robert B. Parker is my all time favorite writer. So if anything of his shows up anywhere on the screen, large or small, I want to check it out. Spenser for hire, the Spenser movies, Jesse Stone movies just to compare to the novels.
seeing all the women drool over Stacey Keach's MIKE HAMMER
I know someone who wrote for the series (Larry Brody). He's been writing for 35-40 years and knows his stuff...regularly sponsoring contests for people looking to hone their skills against others and with a board of judges to pick through everyone's work, along with feedback from those persons. The cool part is that the judges are a very well-connected lot, particularly from well-known or current series.
The two contests he has now are for pilots and spec scripts. (the latter is to help secure an agent. Agents have become a fussy lot because they don't want to take on people who can't write as clients...and they keep 10% of what they secure for their clients. You write a few spec scripts for existing series (I'm not sure how far back you can go) and see if you can get nibbles at the bait.
There was a 3rd one which was tossed by the wayside before I could capitalize upon it - basically, an anything goes where you didn't have to submit full bodies of work, that even concepts in fragments was acceptable.
Sadly (or not), I think this thread has run its course. No more Banaceks to scour for evidence of his amazing amatory exploits. 12 pages is plenty. But perhaps The Scorecard can live on in some new threads. I'll give it some thought. Probably more thought than the subject merits, but that's consistent, at least.