Let's be honest--the mysteries on this show kind of sucked, and the resolutions rarely made any sense. What works is the character, and one of the things that stands out about him is that he scores a whole hell of a lot, with a wide variety of beautiful women, only one of whom is ever seen again afterwards (and best as I can tell, Banacek never beds her again afterwards, though they make it almost obnoxiously clear that she secretly wishes he would).
So ep by ep, this thread exists to document the varied (though at the same time rather predictable) love life of Thomas Banacek. Starting with "Detour to Nowhere".
In the pilot, as I recall, he just sleeps with Carlie, who basically throws herself at him, partly because she wants to, and partly because she's hoping to gain an advantage in the investigation by doing so. He enjoys her, and then shows her up anyway.
I guess the writers must have been inspired by the title and subject matter, because Banacek gets BUSY in this one. The kick-off is him at the apartment of an old girlfriend (if that's even the right word), played by the beautiful Anitra Ford, and while he's temporarily distracted by the football game, and the mystery stemming from it, there's no doubt they make it to the goal line together. That's two.
He meets with a smart and sexy lip-reading expert, played by Peggy Walton-Walker, who discreetly propositions him, and he makes it very clear he'll be seeing more (and indeed all) of her later on, so that's three.
He turns down an easy lay-up with the Madlyn Rhue character, who is playing an overly available barfly he's hitting up for information only, so I guess that's to show he has standards. Or something.
Then he walks off the field victoriously with the Stefanie Powers character, who says she wants to get to know him better. Personally, I don't think Powers enjoyed this role much, and her chemistry with Peppard is fairly minimal, but that's four. Three points in one movie--we'll see if that's a personal best as this thread progresses.
A little bit of trivia, this is the only time you ever see George Peppard before the opening credits. It's funny I still think the hottest one in the episode was Madlyn Rhue. Not the character, but the actress. And she went away empty handed. Although, here's a good question, wouldn't you like to be sitting on a couch and have Anitra Ford lying at your feet?
No, I'd want her on the sofa. And let's be real, if it was us in Banacek's place, we'd be at her feet. Begging and pleading.
I'm with you on Madlyn Rhue, but I think she enjoyed playing that somewhat slutty character (so atypical of the elegant non-blonde beauties she normally played), and Banacek had enough on his plate. A shame to waste her in such a small role, but she made the most of it.
Btw, this is years after her famous appearance on Star Trek, and I can't think of ONE instance of Banacek ever kissing a woman half as passionately as Ricardo Montalban's Khan kissed her character. Sometimes he's a bit TOO cool, ya know?
Just reviewed this via DVR, and it's a little ambiguous. He puts the old Banacek moves on Stella Stevens, and she seems increasingly receptive (perhaps opportunistically so, we may retrospectively speculate), but it doesn't seem like they have time to hook up before the denouement, which makes it seem most unlikely they ever will (do they have conjugal visits in prison for people who aren't married, but have unresolved sexual curiosity about each other?). This is not a show that revels in subtlety, and I think if they'd had even a brief roll in the hay, the writers would have found a way to convey that, so Banacek strikes out (a very rare occurrence indeed, and one suspects they were getting complaints from viewers of a moralistic bent, or perhaps just a realistic one).
Joanna Pettet is certainly appealing in this one, and Banacek clearly agrees, having a great time seducing her, with his patented combo of 70's sensitivity and 70's chauvinism. I don't THINK he has any other conquests in the course of the story? So that's five. Sorry I'm not doing these in exact order of airing. It may take some weeks to complete this project of vital cultural importance.
UPDATE: Having watched this again (well, not all of it), I realize I missed something of vital importance--an extreme rarity on this show--perhaps unique--a very definite post-coital scene.
Banacek has just bedded Joanna Pettet's sexy engineer--or rather, he's couched her. By which I mean he's in his bathrobe, sitting on a couch, taking a phone call, while Pettet lies on said couch, with her head in his lap, partly covered by a sheet, quite clearly in a state of undress. She's apparently fast asleep, presumably tuckered out by the extreme rigors of Bana-sex. I don't see what she'd be doing on the couch, unless that's where the deed was done. If you think about it for a moment, you realize this post-coital tableau doesn't make any sense at all, so just don't think about it.
Primetime TV network censors in this era sometimes behaved as if the Hayes Code was still in effect--they were nervous about showing a man and a woman in bed together, particularly in a situation like this, where unapologetic fornication is strongly implied to have taken place. So the producers decided to get around it by having them on a couch, with Peppard semi-dressed and sitting up, as opposed to him taking the call from bed. Where I assume he has a phone, since he even has one in his car (in the early 70's). If the kiddies are watching, mom and dad can say she's just taking a nap.
Thomas really had to work to get this one. But after it's all said and done it is a job well done. Joanna Pettet looks beautiful in this episode, but come on, in real life she never looked under the hood of a car. Burt Convy either for that matter.
Banacek doesn't seem to actually have sex during this movie, but he gets cozier and cozier with the ex-mobster's daughter played by the lovely Louise Sorel, and they make it very clear they are going to do extensive follow-up and debriefing in the very near future, so that's six. And I wish we'd seen more of her, btw. In the sense of her appearing in other episodes, and in the sense of her not wearing so much clothing.
Are you sure they didn't do it in this spisode? They make some vague refernces about spending the night in LA together. One thing is certain they did do the nasty afterwards. One of the funniest pronunciation of the title character's name is in this episode. It's when Broderick Crawford calls him "Bananacek". Classic.
Well, it's early 70's TV--they don't want us to be TOO sure, because that loses them the plausible deniability factor, if somebody says they're corrupting the nation's youth or whatever. "Hey, it's not like we showed them in bed. Maybe they just had a pleasant evening together, and parted the best of friends."
Either way, it's a definite score for Bananachek. He didn't slip up on this one, like he did with Stella Stevens and Gretchen Corbett. Dude, take them to bed first, THEN solve the mystery in a way they don't like.
Your memory was correct, cind5--and mine was faulty. There's a very strong implication they hook up about midway through the ep--she's told her grandfather she'll be spending the night with a friend, and Banacek says "Well, we wouldn't want to make a liar out of you" or something to that effect, and she agrees. Fade to sex.
And at the end of the ep, right after they kiss at the airport, she suggests he take a flight back to Boston two hours later, and he says there's one the next morning, so that's about as clear as it gets in this era. I assume there were lots of hotels near LAX back then, as there are now.
And I really screwed up about her wearing too much clothing, since Louise Sorel models possibly the weirdest bikini I've ever seen on TV--it seems to come with a sort of Dracula cape. So maybe she's a daytime vampire too?
She had a great body--beautiful legs. She is overdressed for most of the episode, though. And her hairstyle seems a bit severe. But still one of my favorite Bana-chicks.
Mine too. I'm also a "Star Trek " fan and she is in my top 10 babes from that show. Love or hate "Star Trek" you gotta admit they do have a lot of hotties. Bana-chicks, I love it!
Since you aren't going in order I'll add the ones off the top of my head that I'm not sure I saw here. If you covered them by actresses names I might be restating some that you mentioned already.
There's the flight attendant played by Victoria Principle.
The B actress who was going to wed into a sheik's harem when her jewel studded, hand crafted coach disappeared from the port.
It seemed as though the possibility of group sex with all the pretty nurses and one goofy one was very real in the Anne Bancroft hospital episode when the computer that was supposed to replace doctors "disappeared." Food for thought.
And let's not leave Felix out and all the action he gets with gorgeous young girls even though he's clearly gay.
In the pilot, where was B taking the Stephanie Powers character to dinner; at his house or a restaurant? The former would be more suggestive but I don't remember which it was.
Also funny, is how B leaves women in his living room while he goes and deals with the danger. They are just supposed to sit there passively waiting for him. It's creepy.
This show has a lot of women who come across as strong forces to be reckoned with at first but who are subdued into fawning apologetic submissives by B's "firm manhood." Another fantasy element. That was in the Rockford Files episode I just saw. The crabby lawyer apologized to R at least three times but R was more easy going about it and funny.
Hey, if by 'crabby lawyer' you mean Beth, you really need to watch more episodes. That's a very well developed character, who appears in a lot of episodes, and is much more than just Rockford's sometime girlfriend.
As for Banacek, it's the early 70's, and people were going to see James Bond movies--oh wait, they still are. Remind me what happened to the strong force of a woman played by Eva Green in Casino Royale? Oh, but that's the new and sensitive James Bond.
My own feeling is, if you're going to be a cad, don't be an apologetic cad--go with it--like George Sanders, who in one movie said "My dear man, I have no intention of stealing your wife--I merely wish to borrow her for a while." Banacek is an unapologetic cad--though I will gracefully admit, a heavily romanticized one. We never see the aftermath of his affairs--only the preliminaries.
Banacek knows who he is, and they don't waste time analyzing him--it's not that kind of story. And this is not that kind of thread.
And thanks for the help, but I want to evaluate each episode personally, just to come to my own conclusion about how many women he was implied (rarely SHOWN) to have had relations with during the run of the show. The methodology employed must be meticulous.
Christine Belford playing Carlie wears well on me. She got as much out of that character as she could. Plus in a later episode someone says, "she's got it altogether,nothing jumps out at ya, but she's a total package". I'm paraphrasing of course. And the biggest plus for me was at least she could act. That always help when your watching actors.
Perry Mason's cases that he lost were 1) The case of the Witless Witness 2) The case of the Deadly Verdict 3) The case of the Terrified Typist The last one was the last one. The Terrified Typist was the last episode and the only one in color. It's funny how much I know about the show "Perry Mason", considering I never watched it. My mom loved it. She loved anything with Raymond Burr in it and didn't care if he was gay. That was her favorite TV actor.
Which btw, tallies up to one--Della Street. And only in those movies with Warren William. Whose overall cinematic Scorecard is pretty damned impressive, let me tell you.
This may be my favorite of them all, even though I can't help but think the title refers more to Banacek's burgeoning harem than to impressionist works of art.
Penny Fuller was (and still is) a very talented and exquisitely lovely stage-trained actress, who did a fair bit of TV guest work (she dated the Six Million Dollar Man as well), and she really gives this part her all, finding nuances to the character where the writers didn't put any. No bimbo she, though she goes from resistant to compliant in a heartbeat--hey, Penny Marshall (in a very small role) is ready to cheat on her fiance just from looking at Banacek for ten seconds--Laverne, how could you? One really has to wonder if he's some kind of daytime vampire. Maybe that's why we never see most of these women again?
Fuller's Gloria actually CALLS Banacek a chauvinist (he loves it when they do that), is seething at him for much of the episode, but then she's in a skimpy bathrobe, telling him to kiss her, and then readily agrees to move into his house, and he makes no bones (heh) at the end about why he's taking her back there. Only instance I can recall where the seduction ends with one of his Patented Polish Proverbs (and a good one). Anyway, once again there's no sex during the episode, but we are left in no doubt as to what's coming--or whom. Banacek just made a huge 600k score from the insurance companies, so he can take a nice long break from his labors, in his own well-appointed townhouse, with the classiest of all the dames he dallied with in the course of this show. Well done, Banacek. That's a very lucky seven for you. Quality over quantity this time, eh?
This episode I enjoyed as well. Had my main man Gene Dynarski getting beat up at a bar by Banacek for the 2nd time in the series. Also had John Hoyt, the original doctor on the starship Enterprise. Garry Walberg, who played "Speed" on "The Odd Couple" series and Lt. Monihan from "Quincy". I guess him and Jack Klugman were buds. As you tell I'm character actor junkie. 2 strikes against this episode are ... 1) Arch Johnson's bad Irish accent. Probably the only time he didn't hit a home run as a actor. 2) Mike Farrell. What a horrible actor. He has no range, so he can't move scene along let alone carry one. When he acts it always looks like he's acting. But Penny Fuller is a cutie and cute goes a lot further than being sexy.
Farrell was definitely lucky to be Wayne Rogers' replacement on MASH. That role was right in his wheelhouse--without it, we wouldn't remember him. In all fairness, no actor could have done much with his role on Banacek--he's not even the villain--they could write him out entirely, for all the difference it could make. He's basically there to make Banacek look good--and to explain why Fuller's character is a bit gunshy about men. But not arguing your point that his range was limited, and he couldn't really shine in character roles. He was good at playing an idealized version of himself, which is true of a lot of TV actors.
It's a well-produced ep, overall, but on this thread all we care about is the scorecard, and right now it reads "Banacek 7, all other men 0". Part of the fantasy--it's not enough to succeed--everyone else must fail.
Well, that's a tricky one--for example, Stefanie Powers' character is the abducted football star's ex--she still has feelings for him, but she makes it very clear to Banacek that the romantic relationship is over, before he ever puts the moves on her. So he's not 'stealing' her, exactly. She explains this several times in the script, just so everybody knows he's not taking somebody's wife or sweetheart away. But there's still this implied sense of triumph at the end, as he walks out of the stadium with her on his arm. Banacek is more of a man than the football hero. Well sure, because the show isn't about football.
Penny Fuller's character never (at any time) went to bed with Mike Farrell's character, but she admits to having led him on to get his help with her project. So again, Banacek's not stealing her, but he's succeeding where another man failed. And that, in fact, is the primary reason they wrote that Mike Farrell character into the script.
As I continue to review the episodes, I'll take note if any of the women 'belonged' to somebody else. Obviously Carlie was engaged in some of her later appearances (to a major stiff--like that guy made Ralph Bellamy look like Marlon Brando), but I'm not at all clear that Banacek and Carlie ever had carnal relations other than that time in the pilot. He stole her in the sense of forcing her to unfavorably compare her current man to him, which it is strongly implied she'll be doing the rest of her life, while constantly trying and failing to best him in their shared field of expertise. Not enough to succeed, others must fail. A consistent theme on the show.
I don't think there are any instances of Banacek triggering the end of a relationship that wasn't already basically over. But let's see.
Until recently, I couldn't record Banacek repeats (which don't always air at convenient times), so very often I would see only bits and pieces of the movies. That's why I'm only updating this thread when I have properly recorded a movie, and can review it at leisure. Thus making sure the Score is properly tallied.
Belatedly responding, now that I've seen the ep--and I'm not sure this counts as cheating. She isn't married. She's just having a fling BEFORE her marriage to a middle-eastern potentate (who probably isn't all that potent). I do think Banacek enjoys bedding other men's women, but he normally draws the line at married women. I suppose there might be exceptions. In fact, I've got one in mind. More on that later.
Let's be honest--the mysteries on this show kind of sucked, and the resolutions rarely made any sense.
Just as there's hard science in some science fiction, and there's what would amount to as fantasy sci-fi. A lot of the episodes required a lot of things to align pretty well to happen. My favorite, however, is "Project Phoenix". One of those things which you wouldn't necessarily think could be done, but...it made sense once you saw it...and it was original.
Technically, Banacek gets laid at least once (arguably thrice) during this episode, and again shortly after it concludes. But I am inclined to say he is scoreless for the inning.
Carlie is once again the main sex interest. The other two women just seem to be casual dates--they have no lines. One is a very tall leggy brunette, the other a blonde--we can't see anything but her hair, as she leans against Banacek in the Packard. I'm going to assume these are the same two women we see him casually dating in the very last Banacek movie. Not sure if they're the exact same actresses, but that's beside the point. It would seem Banacek has a tall leggy brunette and a willowy blonde tucked away for those periods between mysteries, when he doesn't have alluring guest stars to seduce. Being mere walk-ons, they can't actually speak, but he's willing to forgive them this minor failing. On reflection, I am not going to count these women as conquests. I mean, you might as well count the Packard. They just sort of come with the job. To count for the purposes of The Scorecard, a woman needs a name and at least a few lines of actual dialogue.
The hippy-dippy documentarian, played by the delightful Candy Clark (billed as Candace here) is the POTENTIAL score, and she tries valiantly to get Banacek to give her a tumble, and he seems resistant. He's not bothered by her advances, he's clearly THINKING about maybe giving her a tumble, but she acts like a kid, even though she's clearly well above the age of consent (and she has, many times in past). So basically they might sleep together, but she'd have to do all the heavy lifting to make it happen. I guess from this we're supposed to infer that Banacek has scruples.
Carlie finds them together at Banacek's house late at night, and makes a sarcastic comment about her being his niece, effectively cock-blocking Clark's character, and giving Banacek one of his few unequivocal instances of during-ep intercourse after the third wheel departs. They do the post-mortem at breakfast or brunch or whatever that was, the next day. I think at this point we have to conclude that when she's not otherwise engaged (to very boring men), Carlie is Banacek's for the asking. Only she'll probably have to do the asking. And you thought Don Draper had it easy.
At the end, when Banacek has once again shown Carlie up to solve the mystery (oooh, didn't see that coming), she forgives him rather quickly (it seems irritation is a major turn-on for Carlie--she was MADE for Banacek), and they head off to the nearest bedroom--hey, anybody know how many times they are definitely implied to have been intimate? The second season movies I've seen with her never seemed to cut to the chase like this.
FYI, Christine Belford was born almost two years AFTER Candy Clark. SHE's the younger woman. But she's wearing lady clothes, and being all mature-like, and Clark is in tomboy attire, and bouncing around like a golden retriever. I suppose what's really being said is that Banacek likes smart sophisticated confident women, but then why does he like taking them down a peg or two (or ten), and why is he dating these really young women who haven't even learned how to speak yet, earlier in the ep? Mixed signals much, Banacek? Keep us guessing, why don't you?
Anyway, he may have done the nasty with three different women, on four different occasions, during and shortly after the events of this movie, but The Scorecard still says seven.
This may seem an inappropro remark to make on a thread like this, but am I the only one who thinks the guys (and they were all guys) who wrote for this series maybe had a few teensy-weensy little problems with women?
You think? Most guys have problems with women. That is interesting that Candy Clark is older than Christine Belford. I wouldn't have guessed that. It's been a few months since I watched this episode but is this the one that starts out with Banacek and Carlie having a picnic together? If it is, it was always implied that this is the day after some fun night times. Or I always thought so. I'm drawing a blank on the other ladies in this episode. BTW, speaking about the writers before on this show, the guy who created "Banacek" use to write for the "Batman" series.
Okay, I know. And I've seen this pattern on TV shows, many many times, and it's still very much alive. How much is the writers dealing with issues, and how much is pandering to male viewers with the same issues (and female viewers who are for some reason INTO men with these issues), I really couldn't say.
Most guys have problems with women.
It's a two-way street, of course. But on a show written by men, about a man, traffic tends to go a lot more in their direction.
That is interesting that Candy Clark is older than Christine Belford. I wouldn't have guessed that.
I remembered checking Belford's age a while back, and she was in her early 20's while doing this show--much younger than most of the other woman who appeared on it. But she plays older than her years. And Clark tends to play younger. She was still playing this basic character ten years later, in the film "Blue Thunder", with Roy Scheider (who never played younger, even when he was).
It's been a few months since I watched this episode but is this the one that starts out with Banacek and Carlie having a picnic together?
No, that was in the second season, when she was his apprentice (and at times you almost felt she'd be better off with Trump). It's the one that begins with them playing hide and seek, and Banacek wins. As always.
If it is, it was always implied that this is the day after some fun night times. Or I always thought so.
There comes a point where implications are SO implied that you just can't say for sure. I mean, if two people kiss in a private location, and then the camera fades, you know. That's code. But the code isn't always that easy to crack. I think they probably got some complaints from the morality squad, and tried to tone it down here and there. But they couldn't have Banacek stop sleeping around, because that's his thing. Well that and finding stuff, but anybody can do that.
The first season was sexier than the second. That I'm pretty sure of.
I'm drawing a blank on the other ladies in this episode. BTW, speaking about the writers before on this show, the guy who created "Banacek" use to write for the "Batman" series.
Holy cross-referencing, cind5!
Editing this in--I forgot to mention something. I remember seeing this one back in the day--I was, shall we say, pre-adolescent, but starting to experience certain well-known impulses. Not sure if it was the original airing, or a repeat. Anyway, I remember Candy Clark's character, liking her, and thinking Banacek shouldn't be pushing her away like that--I do not remember Belford, nor did I catch the glaringly obvious implication that she spent the night with him at his tastefully appointed townhouse. I obviously found Clark much more appealing. And now, it's the other way around. What's that mean?
That means you are a man my son. When I was young I would go for the easy looking type. Now I like my women with a classy look. I'd take Kate Winslet over Cameron Diaz any day. Another thing is that Belford has a much sexier voice than Clark. You think? "Holy cross-referencing" That is a great line.
Clark was giving off teenaged baby sitter vibes, even though she was well into her 20's. I think she just seemed more like a peer. Even though Christine Belford was closer to my age in fact.
I like Cameron Diaz (she's very likable), but was never really into her. And Kate Winslet is about three years younger than Diaz, you know. Are we REALLY so much more mature than we used to be?
Did I ever say I was mature? If I did, I apogolize. I'm older, hopefully wiser but still immuture. I still laugh at the word "duty". Kate is 3 younger than Cameron? WOW! Yeah, Cameron is fine, but if I was given a choice ... neither one would have a thing to do with me, so who am I kdding.
There's something else which is interesting about this episode; re: Carlie. This is episode #2.1.
I just happened to bring this one up to watch - I have plenty of other stuff I've time-shifted (and Today is rather boring).
Gretel is at Banacek's and she's trying to hit a moving target, which is about the time Carlie shows up. That would be a little after midnight.
The next morning, Banacek is at one of his favorite/routine restaurants and the waiter (he's Albanian) walks off with the lobster. Carlie sits down, is offered wine, and asks for a margarita.
Then there's a discussion of bridging that moment with the kiss the night before, and what happened between last night and that morning.
re: Eating the picnic (elsewhere) - isn't that "If Max..." ?
This is what I referred to as 'the post-mortem'. And yes, it's interesting, but Carlie doesn't just show up--she spent the night with him, and this is the post-orgy brunch.