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Anyone find the animal abuse element upsetting?


I'm watching near to the end now and I'm find it terribly upsetting. I'm a vegeterian and I can't bear it when I see an animal getting hurt or in distress. TheI think I want to cry. Anyone feel the same?

EDIT: Just watched the ending. I cried a lot. Not only because of the horses but it was so beautiful in a way too (I'm just finding it hard to look over the abuse thing). Also, did they end up together or not?

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I don't think there's much doubt about them (Guy and Ros) getting together. If you listen to their comments when she gets back into the truck after fetching the dog, every word is imbued with the wonder and respect they have for each other. And recall that Ros says something to the effect, "When you asked me before, I was afraid. I'm not afraid any more. Are you?" The first time I saw this, I wasn't certain what she was referring to, but now I'm certain she was recalling Guy's asking her about having a baby with him. Their pairing thus seems assured.

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I would've taken the car, but not to drive away. I would've run the guys over. I'm passionate about helping the helpless, especially animals. I once beat a guy up at my cousin's birthday because there was a petting zoo, and the guy was telling me how he'd cook the piglet I had in my arms. I put the pig down and before I knew it I was on the ground using the guy's head as a punching bag.
My point is that I can't stand animal cruelty, and it ANGERS me so much to watch how the horses were being treated in the movie. Everytime I see it I wish I had all the crew (except for Marilyn) in front of me so I could beat the living hell out of them with a sledge hammer. Nonviolence may work for human rights, but when it comes to animal rights, you have to scream and make noise for people to listen. Sometimes you have to treat people like sh*t so they can get it through their thick skulls that animals feel like we do.
Why treat animals so cruelly? We're animals too, you know. Then again we treat each other like crap too. I guess humanity is just so full of anger and hatred that they can't leave anything alone. They have to hurt every living thing that comes their way. If Santa Claus and dragons were real, we'd probably attack them too.

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I can certainly understand your feelings--and share them to a degree (though being a human rights activist, I'd have to pass on the sledge hammer). In the film's defense, however, I will say that your reaction is basically the reaction the movie's producers were striving for. They wanted us to be sickened by the abuse, while at the same time they were hoping to make us feel pity for these individuals trapped in their pursuit of something that no longer existed. And keep in mind that the characters came over, more or less, to your way of thinking at the end, helped along by Monroe's characters' ability to see it for what it was.

Thus, I think the film is a net positive for animal rights ideas. It is unfortunate that the horses had to suffer to make the point, but it was a temporary trauma--one that we can hope left no permanent scars. Was that temporary suffering justified in the context of making the case against this kind of cruelty, and pursuing the art of film? For me, I believe it was, but I can understand how you would come to a different conclusion. Certainly if the horses had actually been killed or crippled in the film's production, I might have a different view . . . but they apparently were not.

Now, if one were to compare this with a film that abused children to make the point that abuse was wrong, I would have a very different view. Thus, I admit to prejudice in favor of children over animals--but this is one prejudice I feel no need to apologize for.

And I certainly agree with you regarding your comment: "humanity is just so full of anger and hatred that they can't leave anything alone." Very true. I don't believe we are born with that hatred, but that it is foist upon us in childhood by adults who unconsciously pass on the same destructive methods of childrearing that they learned from their parents, and their grandparents before. Hitting, shaming, and humiliating a child are tactics that result in the child's repressing his/her understandable resentment and rage over this mistreatment in order to not drive away the all important parent on which the child depends. But this repression feeds a reservoir of "anger and hatred" which will eventually seek an outlet, an object onto which the person can discharge this pent-up affect. Unfortunately, ones own children become the usual targets, but animals also frequently act as stand-ins for the actual target of the child-turned-adult's anger--the parent. And so it goes, through history. Fortunately, a few nations more progressive than our own, have actually enacted laws to prohibit spankings and other remnants of our barbaric past from being inflicted upon children, while offering counseling to the parents. Not the entire answer to the problem, but it is movement in the right direction.

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Not really. I guess this was filmed back in those beknighted days before the PETA whackos took over. Ny the way, everytime I tuck into a good steak, it makes me want to kiss a cow. If it makes you feel better, The UN commitee on global warming just came out with a report that estimated that 80% of the problem is caused by methane from livestock manure and flatulence. They recommend that we stop raising livestock and change our dietary habits. They didn't sat what we should do with the livestock that's here now. All this time I thought the former vice-president's bloviating was responsible. We live and learn.

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If it makes you feel better, The UN commitee on global warming just came out with a report that estimated that 80% of the problem is caused by methane from livestock manure and flatulence. They recommend that we stop raising livestock and change our dietary habits. They didn't sat what we should do with the livestock that's here now.


Yeah, once those cows reach retirement age Social Security will go bankrupt.

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Absolutely. Thankfully my sister who has worked at a horse riding centre wasn't there when I was watching that scene because she would've bawled her eyes out and possibly had nightmares at the sight of that. Capturing wild horses for use in schooling is one thing, but to capture them for meat was pretty awful. And it wasn't like the horses would've been shot there and then; they would've had to go through the trauma of being tied down for several hours in the desert heat before death (by gunshot?). The fact that there were only 6, one of which was a colt still strongly attached to its mother, didn't help, as pointed out in the film. It felt like they were hunting out the very last of the horses, destroying the ancient history of the area by wiping out an indigenous population. That's how most species have become extinct in recent centuries; by being hunted out by people, generally for sport or financial/material gain.

Also, it's clear that these animals were tied up, did have to go through a trauma of being lassoed and dragged down. That was no trick. Granted, it's clear that the men in these scenes are professionals and not the actual actors (you can never see all 3 of the men’s' faces in the shots), nevertheless the animals weren't exactly treated fairly. I know that animal welfare is strongly considered when making films nowadays; but was there really legislation back then to guarantee the animals' comfort and safety? In films made in the past 25 or so years I have no doubt that any animal 'cruelty' is fake, but in 1961? I'm not entirely convinced.

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Would Marilyn have been involved if the animals were actually being injured? Arthur wrote the movie for a Marilyn who cried when she saw animals that had been hit by cars. He wrote "Please Don't Kill Anything" about her throwing fish back into the ocean after they'd been cast aside by fishermen. In New York, she saw some boys trapping pigeons to sell at market for .50 each, she paid them to release the birds & returned for weeks to pay their "ransom." She was also said to have cried because her flowers were accidently mowed over.

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yep!

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I changed the channel during most of that scene. I'm a vegetarian too and I'm hyper-sensitive to that kind of thing. Then I was yelling at the sceen, telling those poor horses to trample those guys to death. I lost all sympathy for them in that scene. I felt so bad for Marilyn's character there, having to watch it all and having no control over it. (Though I would've taken the car and drove away, leaving the guys to be trampled to death!)

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Abuse? There was no animal abuse. The thing I couldn't handle was that they let them go. I hated Monroes character, what a evil bitch. Who cares about animals? Why destroy these guys. There's nothing wrong with killing animals, we all eat animals, except morons like you. Killing animals is a good thing! My god I'm so angry people like you exist!

I'm a pacifist and I don't believe in violence but I would come dangerously close to hurting you. I would just yell and yell and be upset for hours if I ever met you in person.

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Um, lol. I really hope you're being sarcastic but if you're not, I pity you. What about my lifestyle offends you? That I refrain from eating animals? What does that have to do with you? It's a personal choice that I have every right to make. If you're upset and angry about a person caring for animals and being a vegeterian, then you have a very short fuse and aren't a pacifist like you claim to be.

Gee I'm really sorry that I care about other living things and have compassion and want to prevent suffering regardless of species. I respect your right to continue eating meat but you obviously have a very self-absorped 'humans have dominon over the earth to do what they want' attitude that predominantely leads to the world's problems.

Of course there are problems with killing animals. I'm not talking about just cattle, pigs, sheep, but by wiping out whole species, we're messing with the food chain and ultimately screwing things up for ourselves.

You are obviously a very insecure little person.

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I being completely serious. Complaining about animal abuse where there clearly aren't any and saying it was good to let the horses go really offends me. You are free to not eat meat but in my opinion animals are only good to be eaten or used for other purposes and all animal activists are idiots who don't know anything.

And we are not messing with the food chain, in fact often we have to kill large part of a species or a group of animals to save the environment and the specie itself.

Also insecure, no. Angered easily no. Angered easily by crazy animal people, YES (lol)

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I love to see the animal haters get riled up. You go, gloede. Btw, it might help your blood pressure problem if you ate more veggies ;)

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I agree with you. These "animal rights" nuts really get under my skin, mainly due to laws they want to pass to enforce their silly view of animals and their relationship to humans.

Man is a part of nature, not outside of it. We eat meat - it was part of our evolution and there is NOTHING wrong with it, period.

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Hey Incalc, I have ok news and horrific news for you. First the ok news: according to Eli Wallach in the documentary below, there was indeed an ASPCA officer who monitored the animal abuse and told crews when the horses were too tired to continue. Of course, the ASPCA was much wimpier back in the 60s; they had no authority and served only as advisors. There's a big difference between "monitored by the ASPCA" and "no animals were harmed" (read on...)

Now for the horrific news. In the same documentary, they mention how the director kept telling the pilot to fly the plane lower towards the horses, and you guessed it, they splattered one.

Click here and watch from 5:30 onward.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEnRdn2gSNM

Note also how the veterinarian goes on a bizarre tangent about how most of the horses were sick anyway. What is he implying? That it's ok to mistreat sick horses? Hm. The whole thing reeks of a hypocritical coverup. Sheesh, if they're going to abuse animals, I wish at least they'd be bold & unapologetic about it like in Cannibal Holocaust. But nothing annoys me more than hypocrisy.

Anyway, I agree with you. If not for the animal cruelty (and killing), I would have applauded this film for its compassionate message. But knowing that they resorted to violence in order to convey that message, I can't give them any such praise. I know this film is not about animal rights, but they opened up that avenue by using that theme in such a critical way. If it's true that this film won a Genesis award for outstanding work in the field of animals, then those Genesis judges need to get their heads out of their recti.

By the way, I'm really impressed to see all the people in this thread (all but one really!) who are put off by the animal cruelty aspect. It's good to see that people understood the message of the film.

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And right now, the federal government is in the process of herding wild horses in Nevada so they can be kept in holding pens indefinitely. But there isn't enough money in the budget to keep feeding them. It doesn't make sense to me-- just typical government bs. The adoptions of wild horses and burros are down because of the economy being so bad so why keep capturing them?

They use helicopters and it's terrifying to the mustangs--some die in the process. Sometimes they just take the healthy young ones leaving the old to fend for themselves--that's really inhumane since they are herd animals and the older horses need the protection of the young.

I can't bear to watch some of the scenes in this movie--and I eat meat.

There are small herds close to where I live and it's a great treat to see them running free. But if one party complains the herd can be rounded up. People move in to known mustang territory and then get upset because the horses come in their yards. Put up a fence then!!!!

Sorry--sensitive to this subject right now!

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