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Ricky Nelson..what do you think?


No-one has really said much about him. I though he was very good, but more to the point he had an absolutely stunning voice!! I just love the second song they do in the jail (?), his voice is just fantastic. What does everyone else think?

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Yes, he has a beautiful voice which blends very well with Dean Martin's. The two songs they do in the film : "My pony, rifle and me" and "Cindy" are really good.

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Ricky (later Rick) Nelson wasn't knew to acting and although he seemed stiff and wooden in this role the dialogue he was given seemed to carry his character well. Overly polite and seemingly against type as a gunman he brought a fresh perspective to this kind of role and I liked it a lot. The chemistry between all the lead actors was probably the biggest reason the movie survives as a classic western.

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Director Howard Hawks was aware that Ricky Nelson was a somewhat wooden, callow actor, but Hawks said "Ricky Nelson added two million to the gross" -- back when hit movies made 5 to 10 million. Reason: Nelson was a teenage singing idol at the time.

Nelson's casting gave "Rio Bravo" one male star for each generation of fans: Walter Brennan, John Wayne, Dean Martin, Ricky Nelson.

I think the key to Ricky's coming out of the film OK is that the other characters treat him with respect on screen. Wayne acts like he respects young Nelson's skill with a gun, and his sense of honor and professionalism. So we believe it, too.

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I liked this post, particularly your comment about the stars from different generations. It just seems that Walter Brennan has always played "old" in the movies and TV.

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Ricky Nelson reminded me of Audie Murphy ... he got that kind of stiff
honorable tought but gentleman thing down pat ... I thought he was great
in "Rio Bravo" despite his relatively small part.

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Walter Brennan and Dean Martin did make this film fun to watch in my opinion, and for those of us not affraid to be fans of John Wayne he was great as well, i will agree that the 2 younger actors were the films main flaws (Ricky Nelson and Angie Dickinson) their acting was a bit over done (Angie) and under done (Ricky) and the plain old bad acting came from Pedro Gonzalez Gonzalez (Carlos) but overall the movie is one of my all time favorite westerns (on my top 15 westerns list)

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Why would anyone be afraid to be afraid to be a fan of John Wayne? He is without a doubt one of the top five greatest actors ever.
Political Correctness aside (which has already long past it lifespan), in 15- 25- 30 years but you will see John Wayne movies having a resurgance like you would not believe.
Just compare him to todays weenies, who can't even act let alone act like a real person (or man).

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He may not have been a good actor, but Audie Murphy had a presence that Ricky Nelson completely lacked as an actor.

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I agree strongly with that the singing in the jail is awesome. Bush is not a war criminal, redical islam is- airhead.

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I totally agree with you geralyns my point was that so many people these days put the Duke down, I grew with his films and will always be a fan no matter what the PC patrol say about him, Rio Bravo was my favorite western, which can be seen on other posts that I listed my top 15 or so westerns.

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I also agree that the best thing about Ricky was his music and Deano was excellent all the way around, the songs in the jail were great.

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I haven't seen this movie in 40 years and still remember how bad Ricky Nelson was as an actor. Nelson was however very popular as a singer, so obviously I don't know everything.

I have this theory that Jerry Mathers as "The Beaver" taught Nelson how to act.
Now that is scarey!

John Wayne's Batjac company usually participated in the production and insisted on enlisting young hearthrobs into the cast to seduce the younger crowd to buy tickets. It was nothing more than a cheap ruse....Fabian in "North to Alaska", Frankie Avalon in "The Alamo", Nelson in "Rio Bravo", and others. It was all an experiment in mediocrity and cheapened the movie artistically.

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I agree with your assessment of Ricky Nelson in "Rio Bravo". He is by far the weakest part of the movie. Actually, I thought Fabian was pretty good in "North To Alaska". Great, compared to Nelson.

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I guess Ricky lacked in acting what Fabian lacked in singing.

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I sometimes think Ricky Nelson took a real good look at Jack Beutel in The outlaw before he did Rio Bravo. Both understated but very effective performances. In real life Nelson probably couldn't draw fast to save his life, but in Rio Bravo he somehow suggested that he could. Well, he convinced me, no suspension of disbelief needed there.

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Ricky Nelson was certainly the weak link in this movie, but he was a heart throb in his day and certainly put some teenie boppers in the theatre with their boyfriends! He didn't make the movie a bad movie though!!

The thing that is interesting to me is the fact that he is featured on the boxcover on the DVD of Rio Bravo even though he was not very good. I would have put Angie Dickinson's picture on there with John Wayne and Dean Martin! She was good in it as well.

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Chaco's post nailed the issue perfectly. Every single western that Wayne starred in from the Searchers to The Shootist used the same formula of putting a young good-looking kid- not necessarily a singer- in the cast as a ruse to get young bums on seats. But being fair to Ricky Nelson were any of them any good? Take a look at the list:

The Searchers- Jeffrey Hunter-reasonable actor turned out a number of fine performances.
Rio Bravo- Ricky Nelson- made very few films after this one.
The Alamo- Frankie Avalon- well he did make a fleeting appearance in Grease.
North to Alaska- Fabian- as Ricky Nelson.
McLintock- Patrick Wayne- well he tried but never really made it.
Sons of Katie Elder- Michael Anderson Jr- destined for the small screen.
El Dorado- James Caan- Score 1.
The War Wagon- Robert Walker Jr- never heard of much again.
True Grit- Glen Campbell- swiftly went back to singing Wichita Lineman and other country ditties
The Undefeated- Roman Gabriel- Good quarterback- but actor?? on reflection he gave a fair portrayal of a wooden Indian!
Chisum- Geoffrey Deuel- tried to fill his brothers boots on TV-failed.
Rio Lobo- Chris Mitchum- some minor success as a character actor.
Big Jake- Bobby Vinton- Bobby went back to his singing.
The Cowboys- Bob Carradine- made a couple of so-so films downstream then almost obscurity.
The Train-Robbers- Bobby Vinton- Duke gives him his second chance but then proves beyond all reasonable doubt he really should stick with the vocals.
Cahill US Marshall- Gary Grimes- some very reasonable roles downstream.
Rooster Cogburn- Richard Romantico- Who?
The Shootist- Ron Howard- Good looking heart-throb??? Well there was Happy Days and he did turn out a pretty good director!

So this cavalcade of Wayne's "young teen heart-throbs come actors" is hardly a successful list and puts it into perspective when discussing Rick's performance in Rio Bravo. Nevertheless it seemed to work for Duke and his westerns and he rarely drifted from this apparently winning formula but did he really need to continually turn out movies with the same theme, surely his star quality alone would have guaranteed bonanza box-office.(another subject worth discussing on it's own)
The answer I believe was that he was just imitating his coach John Ford who also tended to inject youth into his westerns and in particular during the late 40's early 50's when he used John Agar (Who???) in a number of his westerns. Agar was indeed a bobby-soxers pin-up after he married Shirley Temple which kick-started his film career and Ford used his popularity to get those young females into the theatres to watch what were basically "guy- movies". He also said to Wayne during the filming of She Wore a Yellow Ribbon- which co-starred a young good looking Agar- "Duke even though you are playing an older man in this movie you are fast approaching the age when it wouldn't look right on screen for you to keep winning the hand of the young woman".
Ouch! but as Duke got older I think he remembered that.

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I totally agree with you about all those guys (really like Ricky, but should have stuck to saying hi to "Mary Lou" and "Travelin" around even though it was a nice change to see him in color and if nothing else "My Rifle, My Pony, and Me" was worth it) except Jeffrey Hunter. I think he was one of the most underrated actors in all of cinema. Just look at the King of Kings. Whatever "it" is, he had it;)

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He does well at playing the "kid" character. Have to agree with you on the vocals, that scene with Deano was perfect. I prefered the second song too.

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I sure would have loved Elvis Presley on that part, better singer and better actor (though untrained also) than Nelson. It wasn't very hard to imagine Elvis in doing Rio Bravo, Nelson had copied his singing and gestures.

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On the collector's DVD of Rio Bravo - they talk about how Howard Hawks took Nelson aside and showed him how he wanted him to act - such as: the scratching of the face, the slow talking, rubbing the nose, etc..

I think if you look at Nelson's acting he's no different than most young actors at the time. He's kind of got the James Dean thing going on with the muttering and looking at the ground. He added a sense of pop-cool to the movie. But that being said - he doesn't know how to hold a rifle.

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Was Ricky Nelson a great actor? Probably not, but he had charm. Charm goes a long way.

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Agreed. Ricky had a relaxed, laidback style that, to me, comes off as effortlessly cool. And he certainly felt at home in front of the camera, having grown up doing a weekly TV series. I think he's just right for the part of Mississippi and adds a lot to the film's appeal.

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Mississippi was James Caan in El Dorado

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You're right, I get those states mixed up!

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hard not to - it's kind of the same movie but different

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