Racism in Texas in that era
Were white Texans at the time (1910s-1950s) as racist toward Mexicans as portrayed in this movie?
shareWere white Texans at the time (1910s-1950s) as racist toward Mexicans as portrayed in this movie?
shareYes, and there are still parts of Texas where that hasn't changed.
Time of your life, huh, kid?
That for the most part is probably in the small towns of east Texas. I've heard in the major cities(Dallas, Houston, San Antonio, and Austin)white/hispanic marriages are more common than most cities in California.
"A real man would rather bow down to a strong woman than dominate a weak one"
Unfortunately, I agree. I went to college in Texas in the '90s, and I was utterly shocked by the level of racism that some people there displayed. It wasn't limited to those from small towns, either. I met people from Dallas and San Antonio who were just as bad.
shareThere is still a lot of racism here in Texas and I'm not sure why. Many ignorant redneck people think "Mexican" is a race. There are only 3 races: Caucasian, Black, and Asian. People of Mexican descent are listed as "Caucasian" on their birth certificates, yet even sometimes they themselves want to separate themselves from so-called "white" people. "Mexican" is a nationality, and it's people originally are of Spanish and/or Spanish & Native American heritage. A lot of people in Texas are just tired of people who have come from Mexico and have been here 10, 20 or 30 years and are too lazy to learn English. There is a sense of entitlement here that everything should be bi-lingual here and we should all speak Spanish, as well as English. Which is crap. They should learn English if they expect to live and work here. Even the ballots here are in both Spanish and English. How can they make an informed voting decision if they don't even understand what the candidates are talking about on T.V.??? Ridiculous.
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Yes, and there still is, mostly due to the fact that illegal aliens flood across the border to Texas, won't try to assimilate and drain the welfare system dry.
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The same problem we have here in Southern California.
shareDrain the welfare system? If they are illegal, they cannot apply for welfare. They come here, work for dirt cheap so their employers make some big profits, and pay lots in payroll taxes that they will never get back. Payroll taxes include social security, medicare and medicaid...which only citizens would get back.
I'm not saying they don't receive welfare but it's difficult for them to do so and everyone of them that works is paying payroll taxes.
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"under the table" jobs are only a fraction of the jobs they have. Most have fake social securities so they can work in factories or certain service jobs. They pay taxes through that fake SS# but will not be able to draw on the benefits.
shareYes, difficult or impossible to get welfare or any other type of help.
I once tried to find some medical help for a young woman who was here legally and there was nothing. I'm very tenacious and made many phone calls. Nada.
It just isn't as easy as people commonly think to get on the dole if you aren't a citizen.
nikkilynn, you wonder why there's racism against Mexicans and then you answer the question later in your post. I live in Texas and am tired of them coming her, demanding schooling, health care, things that I have to pay for. I am tired of hearing Spanish everywhere, from people who have lived her for years, but they think Americans should all learn Spanish for them. They don't seem to understand that they should learn English since they are here now. There are signs in public places in Spanish. If there was nothing in Spanish, they would be forced to learn English. I have a friend who is a nurse at a hospital in El Paso and she tells me that least 5 Mexicn woman show up in labor every day, so that the child will be born in the USA. A few years ago, I had to have surgery at our public hospital as I was ill and my company didn't have insurance. I had to have tests every week for 6 weeks prior to my operation. In addition to a few blacks and a few whites there, there were thousands of young Mexican women. Each one had sometimes as many as 5 kids trailing behind her, with another one coming any minute or the new one in arms. Of course, the taxpayer pays for those babies. Mexicans think they have a "right" to be here and they don't and they think they have a "right" to everything this country offers.
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"Then Sam Houston and etc. shouldn't have stolen Texas from Mexico. Call it karma."
What's "typical" is your hypocrisy and bias against a state you hate. If Texas was "stolen" from the Mexicans, so was California. Indeed with your logic, most, if not all of the Western U.S. was "stolen." How do you feel living on land that's stolen?
Mexico lost two wars in the middle of the 19th century. That's why they lost that land.
Of course California was stolen and then when the US gov. took over, they robbed the landowners of their ranchos. How do I feel living on land that was stolen? As one who grew up in a conversative school district and who had to learn a whitewashed version of US history, not great.
The Mexican War was an imperialistic strategy for those who truly bought into that Manifest Destiny crap. It was the goal of the US gov. to follow through with their acquistition of Texas to take over the rest of the southwest in order to gain more slave holding states for the south.
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Get me a bromide - and put some gin in it!
What people refuse to accept is that with African slaves and Mexican cheap labour - American would NOT be the country it is. It was formed on the backs of those people who they continue to disrespect. Think nannies, cleaning ladies and gardeners for the rich, people who toil in the fields to put food on YOUR table working for next to nothing & many live in squalid conditions. So many contribute so much, raise their kids to part of the American dream who go on to higher education become teachers, lawyers etc. I am so sick of Americans not knowing their own history or the benefit they get from these so-called illegals. Would any one of them be willing to work 10 hrs days in the boiling heat to pick those crops? The answer is bloody hell no.
shareWOW. 50% of your comment you're like "this guy is tolerant and agains racism" than the other 50% of your comment is like "if they want to live here they should learn proper english or leave." Need a shrink? Split personality.
shareMost of the racism today is coming from the blacks, not toward them.
I give you Beat-up whitey night, The knock-out game, Flash mobs, and Black Panthers standing in front of voting booths with clubs, as well as threatening to kill white babies.
If white people were doing these things to blacks, it would be all over the news and on the front page of every newspaper in the country.
Say what you want about Mexicans, at least they're willing to work.
The blacks in my neck of the woods can be found standing on corners with bottles in a bag.
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Beat up whitey? Poor thing, shake off your fear and go live in a big city for awhile.
White guilt at it's finest. We need serious welfare reform and a repeal of the 14th amendment
Note: I am Latino; a naturalized Hispanic American
Oh, crystal ball
Hear my song
I'm fading out
Everything I know is wrong...
-Keane
Yes, we seriously need massive welfare reform. We need to get rid of it all together.
Illegal immigration is no problem. No problem whatsoever. The problem is liberalism altogether. Immigration is just a red herring to get people off the scent of the real culprit - liberalism. Kill liberalism and no one would worry a rat's behind about immigration.
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There are more than 3 races but you are right that Mexican is not a race but a nationality. Within Latin America, they have blacks, whites, asians and native american.
You reason as to why they are racist to Mexicans is not correct because racism in Texas is also directed at blacks, middle easterners and most foreigners. Texas, like most of the south, has a culture of not liking people that are different. They have prejudice feelings towards not only race or nationality but religion and sexual orientation. Minorities, gays, and people of other religions are looked at differently.
Inter-racial marriage was illegal in Texas until 1966.
"Texas, like most of the south[sic], has a culture of not liking people that are different ... Inter-racial marriage was illegal in Texas until 1966."
It sounds like you have a prejudice against Texas and "most of the South."
I believe you're referencing the 1967 Supreme Court ruling that made anti-miscegenation laws invalid. That decision arose of a Virginia case from the 1950's. If you know of any case where Texas prosecuted a case under those laws from 1950 onward, I'd like to hear it.
Is it wrong to be intolerant of intolerant people? Is it wrong to be intolerant against racist, sexist, homophobic or any intolerant group????
And yes, that's what I was referencing. And yes the marriage in question was from 1959 but what's that have to with it? Are you saying that the only couple to face marriage discrimination was this couple????? And that no other couple face marriage discrimination after 1959? And why is 8 years that important to you?
Furthermore, it wasn't even like Texas and the South decided to legalized inter-racial marriage --- it was forced upon them! Similar to desegregating schools (Brown vs Board of education). Again, it was the southern states about a decade earlier. They would only change their ways when it was forced on them by the federal government.
Do you think that all that racism and prejudices just disappear the next generation? As if the kids that grew up in these racist household's don't themselves have prejudice views? Because many states in the south honor many members of the KKK and the confederate soldiers. Mississippi recently honored a former confederate soldier that just happened to be a founding member of the KKK. I could go on with such examples.
"Furthermore, it wasn't even like Texas and the South decided to legalized inter-racial marriage --- it was forced upon them! Similar to desegregating schools (Brown vs Board of education). Again, it was the southern states about a decade earlier. They would only change their ways when it was forced on them by the federal government."
You act like that's a good thing. Government overreach at it's finest. Totally unconstitutional yet people like you have no problem with it as long as you agree with the outcome. Did you ever hear the term "useful idiot"
Government overreach at it's finest
The US census classifies Americans into 5 races: white, black, asian, native american, and pacific islander.
Most latinos are of mixed race, native american + white.
America must be the only place where people will blame the ills of the country on the poorest and least powerful among us. One war profiteer Senator costs you more money and long-term misery and does more damage to your family in one day than all of these people put together do in their lifetime, and you put them into office! Over and over, by electing Republicans and Democrats. Get down off your tired BS about welfare cheats. Besides, we live in a warfare state, where billions are wasted on one single jet fighter, trillions on useless ongoing war for the profit of a few. It's time those bastards who make money off of other people's misery start paying for the privilege to live here in a capitalistic country and take advantage of its pro-capitalistic laws and tax loopholes. We need MORE benefits for the average struggling family, not LESS! Starting with doing away with the stupidity of having health care and social security tied to your job! I see, that person who work not one, but two jobs that pay $10/hour with no "benefits" doesn't deserve that operation, MRI, or cancer treatment as much as someone with insurance. That is just evil thinking.
Oh yeah, this is a great movie!
Besides, we live in a warfare state, where billions are wasted on one single jet fighter
The term "race" disappeared from anthropology text books in 1980, in fact I think it went away a few years earlier. The overwhelming consensus among anthropology is that there is no such thing as race. In that respect cultural anthropology has completely defeated physical anthropology.
Since that time race has become entirely a political group designation. It matters, but mostly when it is being abused to illegally discriminate against individuals or inside a voting booth.
The best diplomat I know is a fully charged phaser bank.
Race is an undisputable fact based on genetics. Only Marxists deny it. Anthropology lost it back then.
shareDon't think that's true and the people saying so are in fact geneticists who are not, as far as I know, marxists. This is an interesting link to a BBC news page https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-51914782 . I have to admit that in my ignorance I would intuitively expect clear markers in our DNA to define differences in appearance but apparently it just ain't so.
But Race is an interesting and very loaded word - and I think weighted differently in different parts of the world. I was reading Hidden Figures and was surprised to find the author using the the phrase 'black race' so freely.
In the novel, when they go to Sarge's, it is not only Juana and the child that prompt the ire of the white rednecks, but Leslie herself, black haired and tanned from the convertible, the restaurant employees think that she is Hispanic and discriminate against her. This is what prompts Bick to violence.
At least there will be plenty implied.
I'd put the level of racism in TX at the time of the movie, and currently on a par with any city in the NE
You don't have to stand tall, but you have to stand up!
Hell, does anyone remember the riots in Boston in the mid 1970s over school busing? I remember someone saying "Bostingham Massabama" on the news one evening.
"A real man would rather bow down to a strong woman than dominate a weak one"
I agree that you can easily find racists in any region of the country. I think the largest membership in the KKK used to be in a city in the Midwest. However, it was the south that generally instituted racism through the passage of 'Jim Crow' laws.
The best diplomat I know is a fully charged phaser bank.
I was born and raised and still live in Texas. I wouldn't want it no other way. Racism is everywhere in the world. But as far as "Giant" is concerned, the movie just touched on the racism/condescending attitudes towards the Hispanic people. The novel by Edna Ferba really touched on the racist attitude towards the Hispanics. Leslie makes a comment to Bick about it but he shoots back at her regarding the black butlers and maids in her Virginia home. I don't like racism in any form- unfortunately, it's here to stay. I was proud of Leslie in the movie when she profusely thanks Angel Obregon for giving her flowers welcoming her to Reata as a bride. And Bick tell her to rein it in...to stop being so nice. I wanted to kick his butt so badly.
shareI agree.
I think things have improved greatly. When I lived in west Texas in the late 1990s as far as I could tell was that Hispanics were accepted the same as Anglos. I cannot speak for people's hidden thoughts, but if they had them, they hid them.
That does not change what things were like in the 1960's and earlier.
The best diplomat I know is a fully charged phaser bank.
Busing was legalised kidnapping .All kids should go to.the school nearest to their homes.
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It was just that bad in south Texas in the late 1970s. I remember going out to dinner with a friend and her grandparents. They ordered the "Meskin" platter. Our server was Hispanic. I was very embarrassed and uncomfortable. I ordered the same thing, but called it the Mexican platter. I avoided going out to eat with them after that.
shareI was born & raised in Texas and it used to exist. Not so much any more. We cannot go back in time and change the ugliness...
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