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Was Holden Too Old?


The word was that William Holden was too old to play the character of Hal Carter in "Picnic". Some of the reviewers say about ten years too old. I really don't think he was that old for the part. He even says in the beginning to the grandmother character that he went to college with Robertson's character, "...some time ago."

The only thing creepy was the fact that he accompanied Millie to the picnic, you could assume as a 'date'. That was a bit odd as Holden could have been her father. Other than that, I thought he was excellent in the role, being a bit unsure of himself was a part that he never played too often.



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I do think he was -or at least looked- too old for the role, because it was supposed to be a young rebel. The other characters are all the time emphazising the topic of the youth to justify his behavior.

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William Holden -- too old for the part? Not the right type for the part? (In the text of William Inge's play, "Hal" is described as "an exceedingly handsome, husky youth.") Opinions vary but I think we can agree that Holden was largely cast in this part for his boxoffice appeal. No other actor of his day would have brought to "Picnic" the commercial clout which Holden wielded. But if we ignore boxoffice considerations, other actors might come into play. May I suggest Rod Taylor, who'd recently arrived in Hollywood and who'd been doing a bit of TV work. (He appeared with Clint Walker in the third episode of "Cheyenne.") Taylor would have been 25 years old at the time of the "Picnic" filming. He was good-looking, had a certain cocky charm, and could plausibly have charmed all the women in that small Kansas town. He also looked tempting with his shirt off, whether he shaved his chest or not. I'm not saying he would have done a better job than Holden. I'm simply offering this to stimulate discussion.

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I love William Holden. I think he was one of the best film actors. But I do think he was way too old for the role. Not just in years, but also looks. It was around this time that the years of carousing started to show on Holden's face making him lose a little bit of those great looks to a more weathered appearance which served him well in later roles. Granted he was in great shape and always one of the best athletes on film, but he seemed to be out of place especially playing contemporaries against the much younger and much, much more youthful, baby-faced Cliff Robertson.

Also, it seemed to me that Holden was sort of playing "dumb" in this part. He looks like he's playing a big boy who just gets caught up in the moment; acts and speaks before he thinks, needs to show off, etc --- He's playing it rather than owning the role as Holden almost always did in his other films. Being a very intelligent actor it seemed like he couldn't do what other intelligent actors like Paul Newman and Marlon Brando could do. In other words, this is one of the only films I've seen William Holden "acting" where as in all of his other films he is seemless and natural.

For example in the scene at the picnic where Holden gives Hal's "my father speech" you don't see the sense of shame that Hal carries and the bravado and deperation for attention just are not real. Holden seemed awkward with the speech and many other related scenes.

Ironically, one Holden's killer scenes was the one he had to get drunk to do and that was the dance sequence with Kim Novack. He was great there and even lit a fire under the far less experienced, Kim.

Newman, Brando, Dean and dare I say it maybe even old Rock Hudson could have pulled the role off much more naturally than the otherwise very gifted and talented Holden.

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Holden was way too old to play the role of Hal Carter. He was almost 38 when the movie was shot however his character was at least 10 years younger. Not to mention that Holden at the age of 37 looked already older than his age. I hardly can imagine Johnny Depp playing a 20 something character, and Depp at the age of 45 looks way younger than Bill Holden!

Holden was a good actor but "Hal Carter" has to be one of his worst performances ever, albeit being honest is not completely his fault. Joshua Logan shouldn't have cast him for that role in the first place.

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A man in his twenties does not yet have that desperation of having wasted his life.

Rose rips into Hal for trying to act far younger than he really is, and in a later scene, Hal admits to Madge that Rose saw through him like an x ray machine.

Oddly, another actor I can see in this role would have been Burt Lancaster, who always looked and acted far younger than his real years. In 1955, Lancaster looked younger than Holden despite being 4 years older.

Lancaster played a more extreme version of the Peter Pan syndrome in "The Swimmer".

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Regarding PICNIC, I ask myself...... Is there any other DRAMATIC actor I would prefer in the role of Hal Carter?

ABSOLUTELY NOT.

Therefore, I am glad Holden played him.

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Sadly I think the booze shows in his eyes but still a gorgeous man. The movie and his character wouldn't have carried the same weight if he were 20 something. He's a man who is disappointed at where he is in his life. You can sense the sadness and shame. That's why it's so meaningful when they find each other.

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Yes, Holden was waaaay too old for the role. He could not pass as 20 or early 30 something. He was in his 40s but I thought he looked 50. A fit 50, but not a young buck.

It was creepy. I tried to watch it but couldn't get past the age difference, especially when the mother called Holden "young man" and he looked like her peer.

Terribly miscast.

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Really? He was 37 when he made Picnic.

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He wasn't in his 40s, he was 37 at that time but looked older as he usually did.

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Bill Holden dripped of more sex appeal than Paul Newman ever thought of having.

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I just came from the Egyptian Theater in Hollywood where they showed "Picnic" and "Middle of the Night" as part of a Kim Novak retrospective. Holden's age and physical dissipation (much more obvious on the big screen then on home television) made him PERFECT for the role. He is only 5 years older than Cliff Robertson, did you ever hear of the GI Bill? Many older vets went to college with those too young to serve. Holden says he was in the Army in the film. Bill's age makes his character's desperation more meaningful, a younger actor would not have had the same impact as you can feel that this is Hal's last chance to be important or as he says to Kim Novack, "patient".

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I totally agree with you JohnPressman !

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WAAAAAYYYY Too OLD. Besides the fact he was 37 in real life, all the drinking he had done had already caught up w/him as he looked 40+ in some scenes. I mean c'mon Kim Novak was playing 19-almost 20 according to the movie, but even she looked older than that. I think she was 22-23 @ the time. The whole date thing was completely creepy w/the Millie character. I thought it sort of a joke, especially when the teacher went off on him about gray hairs & such because I imagine he was having that problem in real life. Cliff Robertson was 29 himself but he practically looked like a kid compared to Holden. Usually casting doesn't make too much of a big deal to me, but really didn't work as well in this flick.

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Hal wasn't on a "date" with Millie. He was escorting her. I guess that's a term that is has no meaning in a world of "hooking up." A gentleman would escort a female to various functions where she would feel more comfortable being in the company of a male. He could have "escorted" Mrs. Potts.

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We agree, rlrblademan07. Well said.

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But Hal only mentions his military service as something that occurred after
he and Allan had last seen each other in college.
So I'm not sure the GI Bill would have been relevant. Nevertheless, I think Holden looked exactly right in the role. Hal had lived a hardscrabble life, and it showed in his face, but he was a manly man who shook up all the ladies, sort of the way Madge shook up all the guys.
They were both sex objects to others, who found something more in each other.




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