I heard that Steven Speilberg was interested in remaking the dambusters but i dont want that to happen. Antoher clearly plain biritsh movie turned into something totally different to the true story. does anyone else agree??
The original will always be the best!xxx
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It will be remade but instead of Spielberg it will be Peter Jackson at the healm.CNN reported the story today.
shareI think it's pretty clear it will be Jackson remaking this film. I also read the supposed budget is 21 million and that he will make it in NZ and over here in the UK. What do you guys think of this?
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Will this new film show that the Dambusters raid was a military failure that had very little effect on the war effort and was, in the end, merely a propaganda coup that cost a lot of airmen their lives? Or will it show it as a glorious victory...again?
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Hmmmmm...... "a propoganda coup" more like a major propoganda victory, it was a major morale booster for the British people in 1943 and was worth the cost, Barnes Wallis`s invention led too a land based one being made for Mosquito aircraft which used them to destroy a prison containing French resistance men in 1944. Barnes Wallis later felt great guilt that his inventions had killed many people and later in his life broke down on a TV show when he was asked a similar question.
Also would our German friend like to film us some epics on the German Blitz of London, Coventry, Birmingham, Liverpool, Manchester, Glasgow (where my grandfather was nearly killed), Greenock, Southampton, Portsmouth, Plymouth, and Belfast ?
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Oh dear. I think it's us who should be apologising for the hundreds of thousands of Germans (and Japanese) burned to a crisp by the horrendous raids by the Allies that put dear old Blighty's experience in the shade. If you think the Blitz was bad maybe you should read a little more? Oh and my parents and grandparents all experinced the Clydebank raids and still have the untmost respect - and in a sense shame - for what the German people had to endure.
On topic - I recon the Jackson camp will do an excellent job. As has been pointed out already, Jackson is a big WWII buff - and very knowledgeable from what I've heard (unlike Spielberg). I think we'll be in for a treat.
Now if only someone's - preferably German - would make Guy Sajer's 'The Forgotten Soldier' into an epic I think a few of you would be choking on your German views.
by - iamelectron on Tue Oct 17 2006 06:24:14
Oh dear. I think it's us who should be apologising for the hundreds of thousands of Germans (and Japanese) burned to a crisp by the horrendous raids by the Allies that put dear old Blighty's experience in the shade. If you think the Blitz was bad maybe you should read a little more? Oh and my parents and grandparents all experinced the Clydebank raids and still have the untmost respect - and in a sense shame - for what the German people had to endure.
On topic - I recon the Jackson camp will do an excellent job. As has been pointed out already, Jackson is a big WWII buff - and very knowledgeable from what I've heard (unlike Spielberg). I think we'll be in for a treat.
Now if only someone's - preferably German - would make Guy Sajer's 'The Forgotten Soldier' into an epic I think a few of you would be choking on your German views.
Three points I'd like to make here:
I think Jackson will do a credible job on the Dam Busters story. There is enough true drama in that episode for him to spin something that would probably be quite different, but not insulting, to the 1955 original. Have you seen his "Crossing the Line" short that deals with World War One? He can do it. . . though my understanding is he will just be producing it. Don't know who will direct. Though I don't think Spileberg is half as bad as some people have him made out to be, I'm glad he's not on this project as well.
Secondly, vis-a-vis the horrors of aerial warfare, which we in the west still seem to underplay so long as someone else is getting the chop, the classic is a novel by Len Deighton called BOMBER which I have raved about on another thread here somewhere. It views an RAF night raid from every imaginable point of view, and Deighton, no bleeding heart about the need to defeat the Germans, was still very clear that horror is horror, and the victims are all human on both sides. Hard to find these days, but well worth the read. It should be made into a film, and with CGI effects or even the full computer animation available today, it could be done right.
Third: you are the only person I've heard mention the Guy Sajer memoir THE FORGOTTEN SOLDIER about the Alsace Frenchman in the Wehrmacht on the Russian Front. That, too, could be quite the classic, possibly even surpassing ALL QUIET ON THE WESTERN FRONT and CROSS OF IRON. But don't take our word for it, fans. Read the book!
And in spite of my handle here, I am a displaced Californian late of Texas living in Baton Rouge. I just think the FW-190 was a sexy aircraft.
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It would be interesting to see it from the German point of view. At least it would be unbiased between American, Canadian, British, etc. contributions. I think we'd see it from the barrel end of the gun view as never seen before. Sure the Germans were excreting sauerkraut sausages when that was happening. Maybe from the eyes of the Germans who were caught in the middle of it all would prove to be the most interesting part. I'm sure PJ will capture those moments. Mel Gibson would only focus on the obvious, PJ is just simply better at capturing the moment and emotions. I can't wait.
shareNope not Speilberg, But Peter Jackson...
shareYes it is Peter Jackson who is going to remake the film in England and New Zealand. I am not bothered that it is being remade and hope it will be somewhere as good as the original and I am sure the effects will be better!
shareWhats the point, with Kong i could see a rpoint but the dam busters is a classic and it should stay like that without a possibily rubbish squel hanging over its head. I would have thought Jackson would want to leave off the remakes for a while.
shareIt better be an all british cast.
Why?
You want to ignore the brave aircrew who flew on the mission but were born in Canada, Australia, New Zealand & USA (apologies if I've missed any, it's been a while since I read the book and I can't remember all the nationalities involved).
HERE HERE! The common-wealth is often forgotten. We get lumped in with "British" too often.
shareAmerican WW2 epics are always pretty naff.
Must be something to do with the fact they joined in when it was nearly all over....
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Joined when nearly over? We had TWO destroyers hit by German torpedoes in the Atlantic BEFORE Pearl Harbor, protecting convoys. It was an undeclared war with the U-Boats that FDR was trying desperately to help the British, against the will of Congress. After Pearl Harbor, we were only at war with Japan, until, on December 12th, 1941 I believe, Hitler declared war on the US. Almost over? In November of 1942, the largest seaborne invasion ever attempted, as far as logistics and distances occurred in North Africa when Operation Torch introduced ground troops from the US into the fight with their British cousins against Germany. It would be 17 months of fighting there, in Sicily and in Italy BEFORE the Normandy Invasion. Get your history straight.
shareI think Jackson will make a great remake. As others have said this remake will be the raid to the attention of the younger generation.
shareWith response to a person who said it was Britain`s duty to "apologise" to the German`s and Japanese. Does that mean that you support the German`s not apologising for the Blitz ? Does this person condone the dispicable Japanese atrocoties against our POW`s. I would possibly apologise to Germany but not to Jpan for what they did to thousands of Allied POW`s. Subjecting them to some of the most sadistic tortures and punishments know to man. Things are never so simple. Another thing, Britain does`nt need to apologise to the Japs anyway we never bombed their cities. They owe the Commonweath millions in compensation.
shareYes it makes me laugh too. There was plenty going on in Asia before the British declared war on Germany. We were a bit late too - Hitler shouldn't have been able to get that far.
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FYI: There were 30 Canadian dambusters. Of them, one was taken prisoner and 13 died.
shareThe original Dambusters film was made not that long after the real events,and most of the actors in it were WW2 veterans,so the original has the right feeling and atmosphere about it,you can see the actors were genuinely emotional in their roles,especially Richard Todd who found the ending of the film very upsetting,when he says ive got some letters to write,as in real life he was a captain and had to write letters to dead soldiers next of kin. This is where i think a remake will fall down,it just wont be as authentic and it wont have that same natural solemness the original had.This is one film id hate to see remade,but it looks like its going ahead anyway. And what about the theme music,i hope they are not going to use the original.
shareOn the plus side, as Peter Jackson proved with his remake of King Kong, he's capable of remaking a classic film. He's able to show it in a new light, yet still pay proper respect and homage to the original.
shareNo.. please no! That money filfth pig Speilberg won't be doing the dambusters remake. Only Peter Jackson could do it justice. Speiberg will only do it for his ego and money, whereas it would come more from the heart with PJ. He has such a strong interest in this historic event and the old movies and hopefully he'll have the opportunity to do a remake. Spielberg would be the wrong guy for dambusters.
shareNo.. please no! That money filfth pig Speilberg won't be doing the dambusters remake. Only Peter Jackson could do it justice. Speiberg will only do it for his ego and money, whereas it would come more from the heart with PJ. He has such a strong interest in this historic event and the old movies and hopefully he'll have the opportunity to do a remake. Spielberg would be the wrong guy for dambusters.
Thank god Spielberg isn't doing this. he'd make a complete horses ass of it!
Spielbergs WOTW is an insult to Hg Wells! LotRings 11 Oscars, King Kong 3 Oscars, WotW 0
The original will always be best in my book. But I also think it is great that there is modern interest in this TRUE story. I just hope they keep it authentic and don't 'Hollywood' it up. MAYBE there will be some additional info since the project is now declassified.
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