God, I just fuggin' hated Klaatu from the moment he opened his mouth. Every smug, condescending word made me want to punch him more. And when he got to his solution, I just knew it was coming, because that's the kind of movie this is, I could tell. Other threads on here have posted on what a horrible message, what a balls-out terrifying solution Klaatu's solution is, so I don't feel the need to explain it. If I was an Earthling in this movie, my immediate course of action would be to start searching for a way to kill the robots before our all-powerful android overlords come down to destroy us all if we misbehaved.
And I want to believe that maybe the filmmakers realized this, realized what a true horror Klaatu is. But I really doubt it. Every scene, with the petty and stupid humans daring to disagree and have conflict, and distrust the alien invader, is set up to make them look like idiots. The only people who aren't made to look grubby and disgusting are the woman and the professor sucking up to Michael Rennie. Then there are the Jesus parallels, and his final scene, where he smiles benevolently upon society and the woman looks up beatifically at him. This movie is so stupid. If it brings up interesting questions, it does so entirely by accident.
I really don't like the implications inherent in this movie, especially the end. Willing subservience to robot overlords. O, but wait, they still control the robots, obviously. Or do they? Someone's on top. Someone, some group is controlling these invincible robots. Whoever this group is, they impose their will on the rest of the galaxy. Unless it's the robots governing themselves, which beings a whole new bag of problems into the mix.
Oh, but wait, their will is only that of enforcing PEACE
Don't get me wrong, I have no problem with the whole war is bad message thing in there. But the fact that it's a forced peace, entirely involuntary, means that they're taking away a measure of our free will, choosing our own path. I'd rather die than have humanity stifled in some way. fighting is a part of being human. the ability to struggle against enemies, against the unknown.
Oh, but wait, they just want to prevent HUMAN nuclear wars from hurting other species. That's why he said they didn't come earlier, because humans didn't pose a threat to others before then.
yeah, they don't care what humanity does, as long as it's not played out on the larger galactic arena. how are arguments played out, then? It's ludicrous that having these super invincible cops everywhere would engender such goodwill on the part of every sentient race in the galaxy that no arguments would ever take place. All their prevalence would do is bring the arts of assassination and sabotage to hitherto unknown levels of precedence.
and another thing: if they have the tech to build theses invincible robots, they have the tech to destroy them. unless they said "ok, this is as far as were going to progress at a technological base," in which case even technological progression must be stifled in the wake of the all encompassing robot overlords. And before you say that not all tech is geared towards warfare, let me say this: screw you, everything can be used as a weapon. Any sort of energy source, any sort of resource, can be put to use as a weapon.
tl;dr the presence and utilization of these super robots is ridiculous in more ways than one, and their very presence is an affront to any living creature.
Two ways the robots are: they are learning, living, sentient creatures, and as such they are just as susceptible as organics to corruption and decay (the movie more or less states that the viciousness of humanity isn't exactly unique), or they are heartless, purely logical in every sense of the word, and slaves to their programming. in case 1, i would hope that the flaws inherent would be obvious. in case 2, who programs them? what happens when a situation develops with which they are not programmed to handle? As life grows in the galaxy, the robots only stay static. They become a threat to any sort of progress. Any.
Not only that, but the movie was really preachy and I wanted to punch klaatu's smarmy, smug face in.
I'd rather die than have humanity stifled in some way.
That's a pretty incredible statement! Do you realize humanity is already stifled to some extent? But you'd rather die. Ok...
Its not at all surprising that malevolent sentient beings would be appalled at the idea of their violent actions having to be restricted. Should police stop arresting people for committing murder and other violent acts, because after all, by doing so they are restricting their freedoms. I'm sure people who think they can get away with anything will howl with indignation when they have to have their violent actions restricted.
I think this is at least one of the ideas that the makers of this film were trying to get across. People are very used to feeling like this poster feels: we are the king of the planet, we are at the top of the hierarchy of life on this planet. We don't have to deal with having someone with more power lording over us, the way other animals on this planet do. This is especially true of Americans I think, who have become so used to feeling like they are the leaders of the world and don't have to stand for others dictating what they can and can't do. But do we not supposedly believe in 'law and order'?
fighting is a part of being human. the ability to struggle against enemies, against the unknown.
Really? Some people might disagree with you.
But tell us, how would YOU handle this problem? Put yourself in the shoes of Klaatu and 'the other planets'. There is a race of beings that have shown themselves to be violent towards each other in the extreme. And now they are developing the means to propagate and spread throughout the galaxy (or solar system or whatever) with their violent ways. Do you just let them be free, and continue to do what they do? Even if it means your own peace is threatened? That is perhaps the greatest thing about this film. It starts to ask this very basic and fundamental question. Sure, the solution offered is pretty clumsy/simplistic, but its just a first attempt. Its only version 1.0*. And, what I think is pretty amazing is, NO OTHER FILM HAS EVEN ATTEMPTED TO DEAL WITH THIS ISSUE. At least, I can't think of any. How do you raise a child, to get them to realize that certain behavior is unacceptable? If you're like most parents, you either punish after the bad behavior, or you threaten bad behavior with punishment. This film is about the human race growing up. When we are born into this world, suddenly we are part of a society that has certain rules we must follow. When (if) there is a wider society out there in the stars which we will find out we are a part of, we will likewise find out that there are certain rules (restrictions on our freedom) that we have to follow.
* - It would be nice if the remake would be an attempt to hammer out a more sophisticated answer to this question. But I feel pretty certain it will not be.
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To OP. Isn't that was the superpowers used to do in the cold war and what the USA does today? Telling other countries what to do and be good or they'll be destroyed. I guess you have no trouble with that.
For your info I'd much rather side with Klaatu than most of the simpleminded paranoid humans he encountered. Would you have prefered if Klaatu didn't adress all the serious issues humanity had? Well??
I don't see what people have against Klaatu. The reason they have peace is because of their robot police force. So, if they didn't have those robots to make sure everyone was peaceful like, there could be no everlasting peace? Must peace be forced on us then?
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The human race seems pretty nice for the most part, but we have this habit of allowing exciting psychos to tell us what to do.
I bet most people who ever lived on Earth never hurt another person, but somehow, occasionally, a person or small group will form which can somehow gets large groups of people to kill each other---while they stay on the sidelines. That's odd if you think about it. Anyway, if you killed just those people, then most would be peaceful.
Since we aren't invincible, we can't just kill the crazy people, but a robot could. It makes sense.
God, I just fuggin' hated Klaatu from the moment he opened his mouth. Every smug, condescending word made me want to punch him more. And when he got to his solution, I just knew it was coming, because that's the kind of movie this is, I could tell. by - mynameiskenny on Fri Nov 10 2006 06:17:22 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Yeah.... among other things.
The movie is also dramtically inert & lifeless. It's totally padded. It puts me to sleep. Patricia O'Neal is more terrifying than Kraapu the space annoyance.
Sounds like the typical response from a run of the millenium, I'm enitiled to rule, elitist snob dedicated to the proposition that everything made before their time is useless and irrelevant.
Sounds like the typical response from a run of the millenium, I'm enitiled to rule, elitist snob dedicated to the proposition that everything made before their time is useless and irrelevant. by - Bathwater_of_the_Gods on Thu Jun 5 2008 09:00:05 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Are you prepared to admit you're completely wrong and a poor arguer? I ONLY rent old movies, from the 30's through 70's. You just proved you have another type of small mind.
No, this is you threatening your neighbours family because he and his wife are having a fight and he might hit her or her hit him.
This *beep* isn't in your backyard or even threatening your backyard. I'm not quite sure why you would think the husband would come over and kill your family after beating up on his wife? He dosn't even know your name, let alone have any intention of even setting foot on your lawn.
That kind of idiocy is only carried out in real life by those who think "we are trying to be safe, stop threatening us or well kill you". That type of *beep* caused the Cold War, not "us ignorant humans being idiots". It was the *beep* of "hey, we dont want them killing us even though they are no threat at all and are trying to sort their own *beep* out, so well threaten them to stop...whoops, they didnt like that, and are now threatening us to, I guess they were a threat all along".
Does 'might make right'? You can bellyache about Klaatu's moral basis all you want. Getting things into perspective, it just doesn't matter because he has a means to eliminate Earth and he isn't bluffing.
After his reception here, we are all fortunate he postponed the incineration.
As other's have said, Klaatu was speaking for Gort. He was not asking the human race to give up all of their freedoms—just not to point nukes at other planets.
Initially, Klaatu had no interest or sympathy with earth. After being shot and detained, it would be hard not to feel resentment. It's clear that his attitude is changed, however, by his interaction with Helen, Bobby and Professor Barnhardt. After Klaatu's peaceful demonstration, which only enraged the planet into deeming a threat, I think Klaatu, at least in part, worried for the fate of the human race. He can see that it is not all bad—that is has some hope.
Gort's system works because most sentient beings are selfish and only make changes when there is a serious threat. If it weren't for the fuel crisis and environmentalism, energy production and transportation wouldn't likely change for the better. If it weren't for the threat of eternal condemnation from God, fewer people would behave or do good.
What's hypocritical are films like The Fifth Element, which actually seem to turn violence and killing into glory and even humor despite the movie's central theme. That's probably what the remake will be like.
You have to ask yourself, if I had the power to kill, or beam into prison, the guys killing and raping people in Darfur, or any place, would you. Let's say that they report feeling justified in murdering people because of their culture, etc would you care, if you could just stop them?
Personally, if I could I'd eliminate all killing in the world if I could.
If you look up in a history book some war from BC times between two nations which no longer exist, what did all the killing amount to?
Nothing.
That's what Klaatu's attitude is all about. Back when the film was made WWII was a war about what, European tribes, then the cold war was a conflict about an economic philosophy, not facts. Today, we have wars about fantasies about whose version of a fictional afterlife is real.
Does it get more retarded?
Imagine that you just came to Earth and found all of this out, you'd think we were mentally defective as a race.
Kaatu doesn't care what we do on out own planet, he even says that he doesn't, he just doesn't want us to threaten anyone off our planet with violence.
Yes it is horrifying. What's wrong with a science fiction movie having a horrifying premise? He came to deliver a message and the first thing that happened was that he got shot and later killed. What he really told them was not to endanger other beings in the universe or we will simply eliminate you. Klaatu didn't say he was Jesus, some other people did. Personally, I missed the parallels, except I can see maybe 'rising from the dead' but that's about it. I don't think we are supposed to 'like' Klaatu as much as believe him.