Much better than Casablanca


Similar films, but much better than Casablanca. The chemistry and banter between Bogey and Bacall is electric. To me this movie seems much more interesting and alive than Casablanca. One of my top three favs.

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I personally like To Have and Have Not more and think it a more interesting love story, but judging them as just general movies I would consider Casablanca to be equal or maybe even better. It just has a more intense and important-feeling story, if that makes any sense.

Though Ingrid Bergman and Bogey were lovely together, I just think a match like him with someone more sassy and with some attitude like Bacall's character just works better. When you take one of Bogart's typical cynical, tough-guy characters like Harry and pair him with a woman you have to see that he's met his match, and he definitely has with Slim, who he can't fool for a minute. Howard Hawks legendarily said to him, "You are about the most insolent man on the screen and I'm going to make a little girl more insolent than you are." Even though he tries to pretend there are "no strings attached to him" and tell her to give up and get lost, you can see she has him in the palm of her hand. As nice as it is to watch in Casablanca when Rick is being sweet to Ilsa, it's a lot more satisfying to me to watch a romance between one of his characters and a woman who can actually handle his tough side.

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Never really could get into Casablanca due to the coldness of characters and a story I couldn't believe (But that's me). Just loved the warm interplay between Bogart, Brennan and Bacall that Hawks handled well in To Have and Have Not. The script has a few ironic humor laughs, and the closing scene is really great to watch as Bacall shimmies out the door (a daring touch

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Despite the similarities, it's difficult for me to compare the two. I love both films even though I feel Casablanca is better. To Have and Have Not is lighter in tone and in dialogue, but the film is still wonderful. Hawks could re-use even his own dialogue and scenes from previous films and they still feel original.

Isn't it true that Hawks was first offered to direct Casablanca? I believe it was suppose to be a muscial and he turned it down. I can't remember where I read this.

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I found this from the Casablanca trivia section:

"Howard Hawks had said in interviews that he was supposed to direct Casablanca (1942) and Michael Curtiz was supposed to direct Sergeant York (1941). The directors had lunch together, where Hawks said he didn't know how to make this "musical comedy", while Curtiz didn't know anything about "those hill people." They switched projects. Hawks struggled on how to direct the scenes that involved singing, namely the "La Marseillaise" scene. It is ironic to note that most of his other films involved at least one singing scene."

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I really liked To Have and Have Not, but Casablanca is a superior film almost on every aspect.
Actually THAHN feels like a less serious remake of Casablanca.
Albeit the Bogart-Bacall chemistry on screen is hard to match, even for Ingrid Bergman and Bogart himself.

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I like Casablanca better which makes my all time top 10 in fact but To Have and Have Not is still a great film. The only thing I can possibly say is better about To Have and Have Not is I think I like the chemistry between Bogart and Bacall a bit more than the chemistry between Bogart and Bergman in Casablanca.

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To Have and Have Not's chemistry of it's leads is much better than Casablanca's.

But I dunno that ending Casablanca has, surprised the crap out of me, I've been falling asleep to that film since I was 6 thank god my parents never ruined the ending for me because 14 years later when I did finally see it I was shocked.
I didn't know it happened like that.

Still it's strong enough on both accounts. God I miss Bogie, I've dressed up as him before and he is definitely my favorite classic Hollywood actor

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I enjoyed THAHN, but Casablanca is the far better film; IMHO it's the best ever. I do agree with some points made though, THAHN is a much more lightweight and fun movie to watch. The chemistry is also much better between Bogey and Bacall than it was with Bogey and Bergman. However, there really isn't all that much to THAHN, it's just pure fun (nothing wrong with that), while Casablanca has a timeless, epic quality to it.

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Yes, I think it's better too.

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They are both great films, I think I just happen to prefer this one due to the lighter tone of the movie. Plus, Becall is sure something to look at...

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This film is a pale imitation of the far superior Casablanca.

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To Have and Have Not doesn't hold a candle to Casablanca, just like El Dorado doesn't to Rio Bravo.

Sorry, Hawks remakes have their merits, but they don't have a spot on the originals (even if he was the original creator).

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"Sorry, Hawks remakes have their merits, but they don't have a spot on the originals (even if he was the original creator). "

You might add Ball of Fire and its far inferior remake A Song Is Born. Hawks directed both.

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I was partial to Casablanca but after reading Bacall's autobiography it's a tos-up.Didnt Bergman play in Hemingway's "For whom the bell's toll"? I just read To have and have not and it was like reading a different story.Harry is married with kids and is a much cruder and a more desperate man...the story is much darker.I was waiting too read "did you ever get stung by a dead bee" but the books Eddy was a little more one dimensional and destined for a brutal demise.I'm surprised Hemingway allowed that many changes.

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When they make a movie it's a completely different thing from a book. I doubt there are any movies that follow the books completely. It's almost an impossibility, and it would be no fun for the director/screen adapter/actors.

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