Witch Scarface is better and...
hey is scarface (1932 version) better than the 1983 one? where can i get this movie so i can finally see it?
sharehey is scarface (1932 version) better than the 1983 one? where can i get this movie so i can finally see it?
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Just wanted to say, I liked "witch scarface", the one where al pacino rides around on a broom stick and says memorable things like "you cockaroch, you bat tail, you eye of newt, you hair of one-legged cat" and of course when he says "in this country, you gotta make the money first. then when you get the money, you get the power. then when you get the power, then you get the broom", and who could forget "say hello to my little dustpan, my pretties, hehehehehehehhe!!! (in best witch cackle)".
shareIf I can go ahead and throw some stuff back..
"""2.) I can see why you would feel that way. But basically, I just thought Muni's Italian Tony was more believable than Pacino's Cuban Tony. Muni plays Tony with an appropriate amount of flamboyance and charisma in order to glamorize somewhat the gangster lifestyle. The public in those days was fascinated by those types of criminals and crime bosses, and Tony Camonte is realistic in that respect; he's a character. He is the type of gangster who would have captured the public's imagination in 1932. Instead, Pacino is nothing but loud and angry. Besides, if Muni were as ridiculous as you claim, I highly doubt Al Capone (on whom Muni's character was loosely based) would have loved the original film as much as he did. """"
Well, still, it was just REALLY unrealistic. And I think that Capone would like one of the many different gangster movies out today more than this, since he hadn't much to choose from back then. I don't know. It's just different taste.
""""3.) To be honest, other than the impressive opening tracking shot I mentioned on the other board, I can't point to anything specific either. And you're right about the "look away" shot, though that's not really Hawks's fault; his movie was already testing the sensors' nerves. But overall, I think Hawks proved his superior talent as a storyteller by cramming more action into his film than the remake manages in almost three hours. De Palma's version suffers, in my opinion, from horrendous pacing problems. Again, we'll have to agree to disagree; you said you weren't that bored, but I certainly was. Also, the problem with characterizing the 1932 film as "another action movie" is that this film practically invented the genre. The 1912 one-reeler "The Musketeers of Pig Alley" is considered the first movie about organized crime, but the original "Scarface" was the first of the classic gangster movies in the 1930s and 1940s, for which I think it deserves a lot of credit.""""
I guess I can give it credit there, but it doesn't make me enjoy the movie. I still think that if someone is limited to do something the way they want, they really shouldn't do it.
""""4.) I suppose this depends greatly on one's taste in music. Most people seem either to love it or hate it. Personally, I find 80s synthesizer music absolutely impossible to take seriously. It is some of the cheesiest music ever created. I'm not saying it has no place; I can easily accept it in the proper context, e.g. one of those 80s teen dramas, one of those 80s teen comedies, or Grand Theft Auto: Vice City. But as a soundtrack for a crime movie that is trying to be serious, it just doesn't work for me at all.""""
It is taste. You can't stand 80's music. I can stand nothing BUT 80's music and some select bands from the 60's and 70's.
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They are both great films, but the De Palma version is the better of the two because it delves more deeply into Tony's personality, is accurate in terms of the language and roughness that that type of person would live in, and includes an intelligent political angle.
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i thought the 83 Scarface was better because of the character Tony Montana and Pacino's acting. I was blown away from his acting in this movie.
share I noticed a remark or two about the inferior supporting cast of the original 1932 film; the Scarface from 1983 had some fairly terrible acting from it's supporting cast, including Tony's partner, played in a dull, unimpressive way by Steve Bauer. Yes, Manny was apallingly shallow, yet I feel his character was created and executed even <more> lazily than it should have been allowed to be. Michelle Pfieffer's role is unconvinvcing and ininspired; in fact, it may be possible people only enjoy it because they have knowledge of her future exploits in acting, where she has shown herself to be a versatile and fully capable actress. Here she was simply giving a half-baked performance (that and the fact that the screenplay seemed more focused on scrutinizing her character than giving her a proper perspective point, a situation wisely realized in the far superior gangster film 'Goodfellas' and it's portrayal of Lorraine Bracco's character). And don't get me started on the Pacino-hype wagon: he has had far better performances before and after this film, though I did understand Ebert's defense of his performance (Tony had to over-act, and sell himself to progress in his career, and ultimately Pacino did a good job of replicating the vigor of a power-hungry and vicious political reguee).
The music doesn't have to fulfill your tastes as I've heard so many people complain; I personally dislike mainstream 80's music, but make no mistake, the soundtrack perfectly encapsulized the word of Tony Montana. How else should the music have been? I personally dislike/have indifferent feelings towards much of the music in the film Goodfellas, but the songs do, in fact, properly progress the film in terms of theme and atmosphere. And while, yes, being a musical purist, I think Prince should have been tried and executed for actually axing the bassline to one of his hits from the album 'Purple Rain', the 80's vibe can be effectively attained from - guess what? - 80's music. Such a complaint lacks merit in my eyes.
This being said, I can say that while I feel DePalma is one of the most blunt and arrogant directors I've ever seen, his methods reached a peak in 'Scarface'; this may be the one film of his that not only fits his personality and scope as a film-maker, but reaps benefit from it in the long-term.
I feel, personally, that Scarface was unfaily scathed by the media upon it's release, but I do also think it is overly-touted today as a film. The original 1932 film requires a bit more imagination but has definitely aged honorably, whereas the 1983 film has aged amazingly poorly; yet, I believe this actually works better for the remake. Tony's world is one of grime and grit, one of violence and atrocity, one of excess and pompous arrogance, and the film preserves this feel, this immaculate sense of disparity and waste better than most films I have seen. I won't end this post cheaply by saying which I personally think is better, but I will say that I believe many of the above criticisms for the modern version of Scarface are, in the view of I, some of it's greatest successes as a film.
I think Howard Hawks is 50 times better than Brian De Palma, although I don't HATE the latter
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I have just seen this version of Scarface.
I have not seen the 1983 version.
It was okay. There are much better gangster films. To name a few, "Roaring Twenties", "White Heat", "Public Enemy", and "Little Ceaser". This one was often corny and I didn't like the ending, I just found it unrealistic that his sister would go to him. There were many more unrealistic things for example, how often when they killed someone there were witnesses.
Still, it's an okay movie.
2.8/5 Stars.
That's just a short summary of what I thought about it.
could not get into this 1932 version, remake is far better
shareI can appreciate a good old movie. They have different acting styles back then, and the story is simpler, but the point is usually made better as well. Im 15 and love both versions, so any self respectnig adult should at least watch both versions throuhg before giving up.
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i dig both. the overall product of both makes them masterpieces. and nitpicking at stuff like language or people over-exaggerating the amount of blood in the 83 version, or moaning about the 32 version having corny acting or being in black in white really shows the level of depth, or lack there of, a person can devulge into watching a gangster flick. because at the end of the day, thats what both are, gangster flicks. movies about sin and debochery at their best, or worst, depending your point of view. These are two different movies and great for whole different sets of reasons. but for the record, like i said, i love both and watch both just about everytime i see em on tv, but i prefer the one with Pacino in Miami.
shareI'd have to say the '83 scarface is better, but the '32 version is not bad by any means. I see a lot more emotion in the characters in the '83 version. The budget is much greater, there's more technology to make better movies. The violence is more intense, it's a longer film with a little more depth, the ending is way cooler and the dialogue is cool too if you don't mind hearing the f word 200+ times. It is worth it to watch both versions though, there are some things you get from the original you don't in the '83. I liked the scenes where they fight rivial gangs, and it shows more with the police. It's weird how the police never catch on to the crimals and they don't show how they avoid them in the '83 version even when there's all sorts of witnesses to some of the killings.
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The original is deffinetly a good movie, but for a person in this time it is funner to watch the one with pacino because of the time difference, not only is the story more recent but when you watch the orginal you have to respect that it was made in 32' and that the special effects and acting isn't the same as it is today. And like IceMan63 said the preformance of Pacino is more natural then the preformance of Muni who in my opinion was only convincing the last 15 minutes. (And thats with concideration of the difference in time because nobody else in the original made me feel that way)
So i'll have to go with the Pacino-version.
Only for the blood? Its not the blood itself, its the way it makes it look,
I rather see a guy get shot and bleed then a guy who gets shot and doens't bleed at all. Just because there is blood in a movie doens't mean that it's a lousy film without a story in it.
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sharehahaahaha, that should be the question here.
shareI know this is all down to opinion but... '80s SCARFACE IS WELL BETTER!
1. got colour (lol I know colour was not available in the 30s but.. cheese)
2. got blood (c'mon you'd be lying if you said you didn't have any bloodlust..)
3. got the F word (it's halarious, F this, F that! Wagazoo!)
4. got the most quoted phrases in the film industry ever (you better belive it)
5. got Pacino who's arguably the greatest actor ever (or De Niro)
6. got Steven Spielberg who guest directed a little.. and advised!
7. got a poster of this film in every Afro-American's home (lol.. almost every)
8. got a bigger fanbase than the original, better known, and just much cooler!
9. got young fans only! Not old people with saggy boobies and ballbags..
10. it is not LOSERish! c'mon, who watches film-noir nowadays? honestly!
aww, hopin the last point would start with the word 'got'.. meh, too bad.
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shareI enjoyed both films. The 1983 one does seem a little too long, but the key scenes are all good and obviously the violence is more real as they can show all the blood. The constant swearing isn't neccisary but gives it more realism so that's fair, the bodycount is very high in both films. Some of the coolest parts of the remake were the bits taken from the origional (like the world is yours thing), so with that in mind I would have to say that the '32 version was better. There had been quite a few gangster films by the time the remake came along and they had a whole load of sources to draw from aside from the origional. The origional didn't have that advantage and was way out ahead in it's time.
Of course looking back at it all from a modern perspective the '32 film suffers technically due to it's age. It does look dated, but not as dated as a film from 1932 (well, technically earlier as this was held back from release for a while) should look (like the '31 Dracular for example). It's also something that's easy to get over if you are the kind of person that watches a reasonable amount old films to any degree.
I can however see how at first glance people would prefer the remake (and so those that only ever give things the first glance may never get beyond that)
As I said though, I liked both.
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Having watched the 1983 remake several times over the past few years as one of my all-time favourite movies, I have just watched the 1932 original and I must say I was quite impressed. Now I know where the basis for the remake came from. In fact, many - if not most - of the remake scenes were actually copied straight from the original, albeit with a little more descriptive decoration and colouring.
And therein lies the difference between the two films. Simply speaking, the original was a great movie in a black-and-white, basic story kind of way; the remake was just as brilliant but with more colour and story/character development.
Also, both Scarface characters were magnificently portrayed by the respective actors. I agree that Al Pacino is often too much over-the-top with his perfomances, but in the Tony Montana case that is exactly how the character was supposed to be played (in my opinion). As for Paul Muni's Tony Carmonte, it was really refreshing to see an entirely different, but just as realistic, version of the same character, from another age and another era altogether.
MY CONCLUSION: As someone suggested in an earlier post, you can't compare a real diamond with a bar of gold (or the other way round). You just can't.
I agree that Al Pacino is often too much over-the-top with his perfomances, but in the Tony Montana case that is exactly how the character was supposed to be played (in my opinion).
When I was a kid I caught the last 15 minutes of the original Scarface on TV, without realising which movie it was and I liked it very much. Many years later (2 years ago), I've seen the remake for the first time. I can hardly remember any of it now, whereas I clearly remember the finale of the original movie (even after 12 years) because it was so good. A few days ago I decided to finally see the original Scarface, and I was astonished to realise that the original is actually that movie that impressed me long time ago when I was 11 years old. And how better movie it is than the remake.
Don't get me wrong, the remake is not bad, but I don't see the reasoning behind the idea of remaking it when after 50 years the film makers could'n come up with any new or different aspect of the story to actually justify it.
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Al Pacino's is way better`
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I have only seen the 1983 version, but when I was talking to one of my teachers, he mentioned about the original, he seemed to like it a lot more. I wish to see the original it seems good from the few scenes I have watched.
About the 1983 version, it is okay, it really doesn't deserve the huge following it has, but I notice that most of the followers are mexican gangbangers, so it kinda makes me laugh.
Scarface (with Pacino) is 110 % much better than the first one. IMO.
share I would defiantely have to say the 1932 version of SCARFACE was the definate version of the two. I prefered Paul Muni's performance as Tony Cammante over Al Pacino's Tony Montana. Muni's Cammante came off looking a little more like the more flamboyant Italian gangsters of the Prohibition era. Compared to him, Pacino's Montana looked like a dime-a-dozen hood or a gangster wanna-be. And the relationship between Cammante and his sister (Ann Dvorak) was one of those things that was considered very shocking (even by 1930's standards!).
BTW: I personally thought that Al Pacino did much better at playing a ganglord in his tongue-in-cheek performace as Big Boy Caprice in DICK TRACY than he did in his straight portrayal in the 1983 version of SCARFACE.
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