Hahaha, I'm about as far away from a Republican as anyone can imagine.
You think you can read one post and project my entire political viewpoint so you can dismiss it and give a lecture. What an ahole.
Netanyahu ( you could at least spell it right if you actually had a clue of what you are talking about ) is a politician. He's not really a religion Conservative, from what I read about him, but he has the support of religious Conservatives, so in that simple way I guess you could say he has that in common with Trump.
I don't make the jump to saying he is like Trump. I don't really even care about Netanyahu, or demonizing him as you seem to want to take the opportunity to do. Why? We're talking about Ilhan Omar.
After 80 years of war, terror and threats of annihiliation from Islamic neighbors, I think Israel should know best how to mind their business and relationship with the Palestinians. Israel has given back land for peace settlement with Egypt, made inroads with its other Islamic neighbors, but still Iran, Syria, and the taken over by Hezbollah country of Lebanon are still pursuing Israel's destruction.
My point is that the Israel-Palestine issue is not a Left-Right issue. Countries at war or that are extremely unequal in power or wealth are often Right-wing authoritarian and for good reason. It is a trick the US used to discount socialism. When a country the US wants to take the resources from denies the US hegemony we will isolate them, embargo them, call them socialists, or communists and force our whole economic empire to isolate them. Cuba, Venezuela, Nicaragua, Iraq, Libya, all over the world. of course their economies suffer, and then we blame them for the crippling sanctions we've placed on them. We use the anti-Communism, anti-socialism as a justification for screw our own people and try to demonize and kill social programs.
Not all countries in these categories are the same. In some cases, like Iran, or Syria, the government are corrupt and criminal ... but I am generally against US interventionism in most of them because when you look back the reason they are so messed up has a lot to do with us.
Does I sound like a Right-winger to you?
Palestine, and Lebanon, and Iran as such places. It is hard to know what to do about them. The West does have a lot of responsiblity for the shape they are in, but what to do about them, and their focus on destroying Israel. The bottom line with Palestinians is that they do not really have a responsible government, and their survival depends on hand-outs from Iran and other countries hostile to Israel. They could make peace at any time - but they refuse to for various reasons, and it will go on and on possible for centuries in the future.
Palestine is run not for the benefit of its people but for some Islamic ideal and revenge, and anti-Semitism. For example, if the Kurds who are Islamic, forged out a homeland, they would not get the multigenerational hate the Israel gets.
I am not really Pro-Israel, I am pro-peace and justice, nor am an anti-Jewish. You just make up this nonsense or yours seems based on irrational emotional reactions to a very small collection of words, that you did not even think about enough to accurately understand what I am saying.
I think Trump belongs in prison.
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HarveyManFredSin (4877)
2 years ago
Calling someone an 'ahole' is not very good faith. It's the type of flippant, obnoxious rhetoric I associate with right-wing populists, not intellectual left-wingers.
Also, I mixed up two vowels. My apologies. It's hardly a massive error, and once again, the fact that you've chosen to pick on it, doesn't demonstrate much good faith on your part.
Yes, I know all-too-well that you style yourself as a 'leftist', but your partisan and dehumanising attack on the entire Palestinian population has given away your hand. You're not a genuine 'leftist'. You're a pro-imperialist, pro-DNC establishmentarian. Yes, you may display a few virtuous 'liberal' positions on topics like abortion and BLM (both of which I also support), but you don't seem particularly interested in truly challenging the present neoliberal order favoured by both the mainstream DNC and GOP.
If Israel knows best how to protect Israel, and the rest of the world should mind its business, perhaps Israel shouldn't be relying on a $38 billion military aid package from the US government...
Also, what is your point with respect to Cuba, Venezuala and Nicaragua etc (or even for that matter Iran* and Syria)? We're discussiing Palestine. If you want to talk about economic disparities, bear in mind that according to the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency Israel is estimated to have a per capita GDP at about 10 times (or 1000% more) that of the Palestinians.
Just to be clear, I am not anti-Israel. Far from it. My position is very similar to rcnyc24's, which is to say, it is complex and refuses to point the finger at one entire nation/nationality, as your not-very-progressive OP did with respect to the Palestinians.
*And fwiw, I wholly condemn Iran's rhetoric concerning the 'destruction of Israel' as much as anyone, but the situation of the average Iranian, many of whom are clearly oppressed by their own government, is not the same as that of the average Palestinian, however much one condemn terrorism.
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brux (14724)
2 years ago
> Calling someone an 'ahole' is not very good faith.
Probably not in normal circumstances, but you deserved it from all the accusations and assumptions you made and then extrapolated dishonestly about me - wrongly.
Again, I don't care about your associations - your inability to weigh your associations and emotions against facts is why you make such useless comments.
I didn't say anything was a massive error, but there is a good chance that someone who doesn't know how to spell a key player's name in the Middle East, i.e. Netanyahu, doesn't know much. There is the change it was a typo, but names stand out in text.
In your third paragraph you jump right back into making assumption and judgements about me that you are unwarranted and wrong - and that even if they were right - so what? You cannot deal with the facts without trying to twist it into some person dismissal or attack or assumption of authority - which you are not.
You don't know how to have a constructive discussion. Why would I go further with you just to hear more of your incessent BS?
- Yeah, I Israel is concerned about its survival, its people and its economy. All Palestinians are directed by their political and religious leader to focus all their energy and resources on blaming Israel for their misery. Of course Israel's economy is big. They have a massively competent and brilliant culture that develops their people, country and talent.
They have a system almost 180 different from Palestinians. Its the reason Right-wing nuts in America are afraid of being replaced by Jews, or in the same vein Asians. Americans are too busy screwing each other over and we have let our society lapse into a dog-eat-dog class hierarchy. That is due to the Right-wing.
Again, telling it like it is, is not blaming - it is telling it like it is.
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HarveyManFredSin (4877)
2 years ago
The so-called Great Replacement Theory, is the fear far-right Americans have about being replaced by Black and brown people, with the supposed orchestration of Jews. Jews make up only 0.2% of the entire population, and 2.4% of the US population. Even the most rabid right-winger knows that Jews per se aren't replacing anyone in significant numbers, not least because the Jewish population of the US has remained fairly consistent since the turn of the 20th century and mid-20th century, the last eras that saw a large influx of Jewish immigrants to the US.
The Israeli model that you so love, has been staunchly right-wing for decades now, with a particular emphasis on military might. Since 1996, Israel has been controlled by right-wing governments for all but two years (1999-2001). No wonder it's so admired by US evangelists and Trump supporters...Once again, can you blame me for making such assumptions with respect to your politics, however much you feign 'progressive' credentials?
Also, cultural and ethnic supremacy is a very dodgy stance for anyone claiming left-wing credentials to take. You're committing a fallacy many faux or superficial 'progressives' commit, which is a failure to condemn all forms of bigotry, discrimination and ethnic/racial supremacy, on the basis that one possibly couldn't be repeating the same mistakes of previous supremacists, since the 'supremacist' group in this instance is one that has been historically the *victim* of persecution. That Jews have been persecuted throughout history, and continue to be so in Europe and the US, does not mean that Israeli Jews are incapable of oppressing others, any more than Muslims are incapable of oppressing minorities (i.e. Turkey), or Hindus are incapable of oppressing minorities (i.e. India), however much those groups may be persecuted elsewhere.
And why is mispelling a name a bigger typo than, say, confusing 'chance' for 'change', ironically in the very sentence where you're decrying *my* typo?
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brux (14724)
2 years ago
> And why is mispelling a name a bigger typo than, say, confusing 'chance' for 'change', ironically in the very sentence where you're decrying *my* typo?
Because names stand out and are different from inline text.
> Even the most rabid right-winger knows that Jews per se aren't replacing anyone in significant numbers
Well, in fact, it is the rabid Right-wingers who seem to think that the most - stongly enough to demonstrate and use violence.
> The Israeli model that you so love
There again, fake argument telling me about myself. I'll just remind you again, you don't know what I believe or what I love - but apparently it is the only think you can argue with me about - stuff you make up.
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