if he discovered america what did the pilgrims do?
Seems like they keep rebooting "history". now they wanna claim that this Mexican discovered America? Yeah right, seems like cultural marxism to me
shareSeems like they keep rebooting "history". now they wanna claim that this Mexican discovered America? Yeah right, seems like cultural marxism to me
shareThey came well after Columbus; who never actually set foot in the U.S. I think their first settlement here was early 1600s.
I believe the Vikings were first: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-58996186.
It's all guess work. No one "knows" what happened 100s and 1000s of years ago.
Yep. And for all we know it may have been Asians crossing the then Bering Land Bridge well before the Vikings.
We need a time machine..
I wonder about the accuracy history ALL. THE. TIME.
shareIt's an excellent wonder if you ask me, kuatorises:-).
shareI think about that stuff all the time. Whether its related to a historical figure like Columbus, mythological/historical like Jesus, or scientific stuff like the timeline of cavemen, dinosaurs, etc., I'm always like, "How do they KNOW that?"
Humanity can't even report the same story on the news accurately. You'll get many different accounts based on whose reporting it. But I'm supposed to believe we know what the Founding Fathers or people from the Middle Ages talked about? Get outta here. It's all hearsay and rumors.
I agree kuatorises; hearsay & rumors, definitely wouldn't hold up in a court of law. We deal in so much revisionist history to begin with (sometimes when we are even a witness to events!), so how can we be sure about what was said a few hundred years ago? Heck, when WE tell the truth about our own history, sometimes we aren't believed (sometimes I don't even believe it myself!).
shareBering land bridge has already been debunked as they found evidence of camps that predate the bridge. The Bering land bridge was just some made up shit by whites trying to find a reason to shit on the notion that the natives in the Americas didn't really originate here so it wasn't a big deal to steal their land.
Frankly, I heard an American Indian explain how things started, he said that long ago his people found an crazy man in the tribe fucking a dog, so they chased him away to where the sun sets... That crazy dog fucker became an Asian. Now there is just as much proof that he is right that their is the Bering land bridge followers are right. Frankly I choose to believe the Asians are just a bunch of crazy dog fuckers.
Well, as a black man, I have no "dog" in the white man/NA fight.. LOL
But they came to North America somehow. If we are believe anthropologists, all humans descended from Mother Africa. Did NAs evolve independently from other Cro-Magnons? Seems unlikely. Again I say we need a time machine.
The problem is they simply look for the oldest bones and assume that must be where things started. When you have a continent with large swaths of very dry areas bones tend to keep much better... but the reality archeologist like looking in Africa. If they looked as much in any other continent they would probably find very old bones there as well. The earliest ancestors to man probably popped up in some place no one has ever thought to look before. Hell for all anyone knows it all started in Antartica but the ice and snow is hiding everything.
To me it just seem ludicrous to pretend any find from any continent magically makes it the origin of man simply because its the oldest bone, because the oldest bone found doesn't equate to the oldest bone... just the oldest found so far.
My understanding is that DNA tracing has a lot to do with the Mother Africa paradigm. Interesting is that sub-Saharan blacks today have no Neanderthal DNA, yet Europeans do have a small but measurable amount. That would fit the model where early humans expanded outward beyond continental Africa and mated with European Neanderthals.
Last study I saw showed that Africans have 0.3% of their genome from Neanderthal. The real problem with DNA is that you can show a relationship between two different groups but you can't tell from which side was the parent and which the offspring when you're looking at ancestors so far down on both sides. Too many variable come into play that you don't know. The reality is no on will ever really know as it is a bit like the chicken and the egg. But I'm certain scientists trying to come up with justifications for grants will continue to throw out theories till the end of time.
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But I'm certain scientists trying to come up with justifications for grants will continue to throw out theories till the end of time.
"other Cro-Magnons"?
NAs and East Asians do not descend from Cro-Magnons, who were the earliest humans in Europe.
They descend from the Paleo East Asians.
NAs came from Siberia. There is no doubt about this. DNA has already proved this.
You don't know what the word "proof" means.
shareThe Bering Land Bridge is pretty much ONE of the ways people got here, and it certainly was before Columbus, however, discoveries in recent years have called into question the timeline of exactly how, when, and from where the VERY first settlers came from.
shareThe Pilgrims did not discover America. No one has ever claimed they did. It was well known by 1620. They settled a colony in Massachusetts to get away from persecution.
shareOf course the irony is they persecuted people with a vengeance once they became the dominate force.
shareSo what? That sort of thing has happened all throughout history. Before the pilgrims arrived, native Americans were slaughtering each other. Think of those figures throughout history that are remembered and deified (e.g. Alexander the Great, Genghis Khan, Napoleon, Attila the Hun, Saladin, Mohammed)...they all conquered and slaughtered their way into the history books.
They left because their own form of persecution wasn't popular in England any more. To escape religious tolerance, in fact. They are the direct ancestors of those people who say that white people are the real victims of the real racism.
shareI believe the pilgrims discovered turkey
shareI thought the Turkish people discovered Turkey, and hungry people discovered Hungary.
shareActual Turkish people came from East Asia to Anatolia only a few centuries earlier than Colombus reached the Americas.
Anatolia was in the center of written history and therefore never "discovered". Western Turkey was a part of the Greek/Hellenic sphere. The Eastern part was Armenian, Kurdish/Iranian, Kartvelian & Semitic.
A vast amount of archaeological evidence shows that between around 12,000 and 20,000 years ago, Asians populated the continental mass that once connected what are now northeastern Russia and Alaska, and gradually spread south throughout the American continents. Scandinavians briefly and scantily colonized northeastern North America approximately one millennia ago. There was no known additional visitation from other continents for several centuries, until the Columbus expeditions to the Caribbean, the second and third of which also touched on Central and South America, in the late 15th and early 16th centuries. The Pilgrims arrived in North America more than a century later.
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