This is actually not true at all and a false gospel
So you are saying that in reference to what I mentioned about the only unpardonable sin is false gospel? So by your statement, you are saying that these are false: Matthew 12:30-32, Luke 12:8-10, and Mark 3:28–30: 28 (summarizes that all sins are forgiven except rejecting the HS and condemned to eternal damnation). This is also referred to as: eternal sin, unforgivable sin, unpardonable sin, or ultimate sin. Based on your reference of Corinthians 6:9-10, this proves yet again of how much the scriptures are full of contradictions.
I have already been saved. Nothing I do or don´t do matters now
There are usually two types of converts that are given the freedom to continue sinning based on their false and misguided beliefs. The first one, which I have already mentioned about the saved from all sins except the rejection of the HS, and then there is the 2nd one which you have just admitted to which is the belief that "once saved always saved" and that you believe that your name has already been written in the book of life and that it can never be 'removed'. Both of these two convenient and twisted beliefs are what allows and provides freedom for any and all converts to continue committing the same sin 'and/or' commit new sins of which neither you nor anyone are able to prevent. You will continue to sin even if they are new sins to you; at least 34 verses in scriptures affirm to that. Here are four out of the 34: Ecclesiastes 7:20, Romans 3:23, Romans 3:10-12, and Romans 3:10. In summary from that last one: "
None is righteous, no, not one". Here is another one from the second one: "
All have sinned and fall short".
we execute people too, its fine when we do it but when God does it, that makes him "evil"
When he takes millions of innocent healthy children and inflicts them with cancer to suffer a slow 'agonizing/painful' death, yes, that absolutely and most certainly makes him not only evil, but no different at all than any devil. You are obviously blind to this fact and continue to justify, condone, and excuse it because of words written on paper by murderers, rapists, child molesters, thieves, and liars who had the same false and misguide beliefs as you do.
I don´t defend God because I fear eternal punishment
No, you abandoned logic, reason, and science to embrace a destructive, dangerous, false, and misguided 'ideal/concept' because of your irrational fear of eternal damnation.
I defend God because I simply know he is the perfect being who was kind and gracious enough to give me salvation even though I sinned against him and his laws.
There it is!, one the reasons that I mentioned on my other reply in this post. Shame and guilt as been one of the most common reasons as to why many people choose to convert. I have known many through the years that believed just as you do with even more zealousness, enthusiasm, and motivation of which it only lasted for a short and fleeting time. It will pass like anything else, especially things or ideals that causes our dopamine and serotonin levels to be raised.
You did not sin or brake any laws against any imaginary 'figures/concepts', this is a false and misguided lie, so here is the absolute truth that is scientifically irrefutable: You fell short against
yourself, against
others, and against
nature.
He cannot by definition be "immoral" because he created morality
That is incorrect, morality is a subjective concept that people from all over the world created and decided on what is or is not acceptable according to their subjective views which are based on their experiences, knowledge, convictions, and how they were raised (these are excluding man-made laws and man-made religions). These moral concepts differs between races, cultures, and countries.
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BillySlater (4285)
4 years ago
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linuxlad (996)
4 years ago
Your entire firs half of your statement is something that I have heard recited numerous times as this is all part of the same indoctrinated and regurgitated scripts passed on by most of the brainwashed (nothing new and nothing different), they all said the same more or less and then they went back to their hypocritical sinful ways.
Break it down however you want and justify it however much you want, the fact is that you will not stop or prevent yourself from sinning which means you fall within one of the two categories that I mentioned previously.
OSAS has given every convert that I have ever known, met, or heard of the freedom to continue with the same 'and/or' new sins. It is impossible not to sin. You provided that verse in reference to the "only unpardonable sin", whereas I included the second category of OSAS as you clearly admitted that you believed in as your method of salvation; they are separate and different.
You accept his supposed "moral flaws" in killing people as an argument for why he is an "evil" God but then you reject that he is the omnipotent being that created morality in the first place. If he is not omnipotent enough to create morality, then him killing a bunch of people by his will is a moot point since he would never have been able to do it in the first place. You don´t get to have it both ways. He is either omnipotent for the sake of the argument or he isn´t.
He is neither because there is no such being one way or the other, this is for the sake of argument for
your imaginary deity that you justify, excuse, and condone for inflicting cancer on millions of innocent healthy children.
People created the subjective concept of morality, not an imaginary being. Not having it both ways is exactly the point I made several weeks ago on my first reply to your post:
Your imaginary deity cannot be both all good and all powerful, he is one or the other. If he is all powerful, than he is evil since he inflicts cancer on innocent healthy children. On the other hand, if he is all good but unable to cure or prevent millions of innocent healthy children from suffering a slow and painful death then he is not powerful and therefore not a god since this is by a universal definition one of the required attributes for an all-powerful omnipotent supreme being. Able but not willing (evil). Willing but not able (not a god). You can't have it both ways. I reject nor approve any of it since this is all an argument for the sake of
your imaginary being that you praise and worship. As I have already mentioned: There are only two reasons for any and all of it:
1.) the actions of people and
2.) nature. Nothing more and nothing less.
That is the problem with superstition and fantasy: people can fit and accommodate any convenient narrative they want no matter how flawed and misguided it is. History has proven such among different cultures and religions, and ironically they see all others as false and destined for some eternal damnation.
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BillySlater (4285)
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linuxlad (996)
4 years ago
I cannot stop myself from sinning but God can. This is supported by Galatians 5:17. 2 Cor 1:21-22. 1 Cor 1:8
LOL!... I know you didn't just go there!?.
Yet, he does not and never has prevented the thousands of members of the church from sexually molesting and abusing children, especially the priests, bishops, and deacons who should know better. But hey!?, they are OSAS 'and/or' forgiven as long they continue to repent since this is not the unforgivable sin.
Just another sinful habit they continue to break by "accident" and they are faithfully trusting that their imaginary friend will prevent them from doing it again 'and/or' forgive them for it...LOL
Not to mention that they also use their prominent position in the church to protect them from criminal laws as well.
Then you have never met or known a real convert. Some sins we break by accident such as speed limits, etc but as far as willful sin goes and the sins listed in 1 Cor 6, a real convert will not continue in them.
Ironic that you mention that since some of them also said the same. They convinced themselves into believing that they were true converts; and yet, they "all fell short". Sooner or later, one way or another, you will see.
There are no accidental sins...LOL, that is pure rubbish. That is just another excuse to justify sinning. I have heard it so many times by so many.
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djangounlamed (1769)
4 years ago
You have the patient of a saint :p as we said before Billy has gone full delusion. but he cant be wrong because he has faith. and his omnipresent, omnipotent god he cant prove always is the answer because by definition it can do everything and anything.
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BillySlater (4285)
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linuxlad (996)
4 years ago
You have contradicted every statement that you made all over this entire post about "free will" the moment you mentioned this:
I cannot stop myself from sinning but God can.
My reference is not limited to "catholics", as it was simply an example since they have been outed for years for this atrocity.
You are under the false assumption that Catholic priests who sexual abuse children are saved. The Bible freely admits that false converts exist and are like wolves in sheep´s clothing.
I'm not the one assuming; they are the ones who are delusional and are convinced that they are saved like you, hence, you are the one assuming that they are not saved based on their actions.
It is a well known fact that thousands of them are guilty of such atrocities, and those are only for the ones that have been reported and documented.
You are new to this delusion so all you are able to do is quote verses without the experience and comprehending all the various motives and natures of sin. You are judging them without realizing that you are also a wolf in sheep's clothing. Their molestation of children was also 'accidental' and 'unintentional'; after all neither you nor anyone can prove that they did not accidentally and unintentionally sexually molest those children.
As I have already mentioned, sin is sin regardless of the type, size, or severity, which means that every converted person that continues to sin, whether it is the same sin or a different sin are all false converts regardless of their 'convictions'.
They conveniently decide what they will consider certain sins unintentional, accidental, forgivable, etc...LOL...more excuses to justify and permit them to lie, cheat, steal, and commit every transgression and wrongdoing that they can.
You are too blind and delusional to see but those last four verses you referenced is the perfect example that will permit, allow, and excuse any and all sins that you will commit from this point because you will make and convince your conscious to be ignorant enough to allow you to sin and justify it as "unintentional" and "accidental" just like those thousands of church members that molested those children.
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BillySlater (4285)
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linuxlad (996)
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There is no such thing as "complete free will", we only have "partial free will". The scriptures are a perfect example of that. What you are referring to is the voluntary elevation of serotonin and dopamine levels that can also be self-induced when one becomes euphoric in a fantasy type delusion; no drugs or alcohol are required.
It is completely unpractical and irrational for people to live in a modern civilized society and practice biblical (black/white) principals unless they live like the amish or the monks in secluded monasteries.
That is incorrect; sin is determined by both scriptures and personal subjectivity dependent on cultures, experiences, and upbringing. To them it was accidental 'and/or' unintentional which is how they would excuse their actions, and neither you nor anyone else can prove otherwise one way or the other. You consider their actions a condemnable sin based on scriptures alone, whereas I consider them sick with a mental illness also known as a psychiatric disorder. Your delusion judges and condemns them without considering the scientific and clinical aspect of such people, and that alone shows that you are already guilty of self-righteousness, judgement, and condemnation of others.
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