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Why do people credit him with "taking down" or "challenging"...


... some vague or undefined entities or interests? Where's the evidence for this? Who has he influenced that wasn't already receptive to his borrowed "anti-establishment" schtick? Who has suffered from his comments, materially or otherwise? What is he saying that dozens of other commentators aren't already saying?

His importance is mythologised so that his encounter with consequence can be similarly embellished with undue significance and intrigue.

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Try watching his videos, then you wont have to ask. Dont worry. He wont make a pound from it now.

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Just because the flavour of his videos preaches to an already receptive choir does not make him challenging to or exposing anyone.

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Do you hear things on his show that you don't hear anywhere else?

Did you know that someone tried to kill RFK Jr and the White House has declined his request for secret service protection?

Lots of news out there that ain't gonna get much coverage sometimes.

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The FBI and the Police provide protection in murder/attempted murder investigations and threats, if required.

As far as I am aware, the Secret Service only provides protection for POTUS during and after their administration. Not to the sons of former candidates.

I don't think the POTUS is even allowed to assign the Secret Service to missions other than to protect the office of the presidency.

I don't think the express purpose and function of the Secret Service is really news to anyone.

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No, the secret service also provides protection for candidates for president. RFK has specifically requested from the president for them and either been ignored or denied.

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Is he officially running for president ?
Wouldnt he have to win whatever party's nomination before that is official?

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An internet twist on the age-old phenomenon of the personality cult. A lot of these grifters tap into a niche American market that grew up in churches listening to preachers and/or around that kind of faith-based environment. They're not a million miles removed from televangelists.

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He's got 6.6 million subscribers on youtube alone and really doesn't describe himself as either right wing or left wing but trusts neither and asks the questions that should be asked but few do.

Anyone who doesn't listen to him will discount him as the promiscuous junkie that he use to be. He's not that. But he does have influence now and he does examine things that are risky to examine.

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The number of subscribers is not evidence of him materially influencing anything. He says nothing new. The "right and left" thing is a myth.

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It's new to people who are can't find any other source or outlet. That's literally it. The MSM has been and will continue to actively suppress real findings and any actual news that destroys their propaganda narrative, which has been made legal after the Smith-Mundt modernization. If you can't understand that, it's basically the plot of Anchorman 2.

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He reaches an audience that others cannot, one that includes the left and the right. That receptive audience might not have been as receptive to someone that identified themselves via political lines, yet he doesn't scare away conservatives or as many libs as others might. This creates a hub of like-minded Americans, bolstering their shared opinions and organizing them to a degree if only by their recognition that those opinions are indeed shared and agreed upon by a mainstream fellow like Russell. He takes on the difficult topics du jour, prefers to deliver the facts, especially those that MSM skips over, and allows the viewers to make their own minds up. So he takes few hard lines, attracts folk across political lines and respects the decisions of his viewers- this is unheard of in modern politics and a danger to the powers that be, and they know it.

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The only conviction he has is that anyone who has actual convictions which just happen to align with what is termed "the mainstream" must be missing something or letting the wool get pulled over their eyes. The reason he appears not to observe political lines is because it's not political. It's marketing. That attitude is already attractive to people's egos regardless of their professed political preferences. Thus he has no substance or actual conviction.

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Well this is just cynical speculation. Why didn't you open with your disdain for the man? You had us believing for a second that this thread was honest.

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I thought it was already obvious I was disdainful of the myth surrounding his importance and material influence.

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Musta missed it. So you just came here to vent, not have a reasonable conversation? What exactly is it about him that gets your goat to this degree? Are you legitimately bereft of genuine issues to whine about? IMO if your list of grievances is that clear that you find Russell to be so offensive then you should find a way to get happy. Go count your blessings- name them one by one.

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I asked for evidence of his unique importance or an answer of any substance or relevance to my other questions. None has been forthcoming.

I pointed out his lack of actual conviction to compare him with ever other social media grifter and illustrate why he's nothing special.

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You did get it then dismissed it in favor of your precious distaste. If you feel you deserve the hemorrhoids then I guess I agree, but some folk have real problems and you should celebrate your obvious dearth of them. Being negative is a choice, one you have made. No one is going to believe that there is an answer that would satisfy you- you came here to whine.

Lack of actual conviction? Please establish that as fact first then I will counter that directly.

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Establish a lack of something? Its absence is self evident.

I don't choose to be unimpressed with Brand's supposed importance. And that's all we're talking about here. Not the absurd proportions that you're describing.

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Yes this is not the same as proving a negative, it is an ask for evidence if not proof of your position. If you can't provide it then you're admitting you have no case and are just a whiner for the sake of whining. Now get to it.

I seriously doubt anyone cares about what or who you're impressed by, but you made claims, now substantiate them or be exposed as a hater for no real reason.

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Do you need me to list all the convictions he doesn't have?

You care enough to feel compelled to describe it as some willful effort of mine to impose my ideology of being negative about Brand, implying that I should be agreeable toward him by default.

I don't care what you call me, or "expose" me as.

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Not true, I'm trying to make it simple for you- substantiate your claim.

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You can say many things about the establishment but I don't think you can say they are underfunded or unresourceful.

I think that has something to do with the almost one sided comments here against Russell Brand.

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I never said anything of the sort. So.....

One sided comments? I'm just not accepting the myths or seeing any evidence to support the idea that Brand is materially influential on any topic.

I do know that he adopted this persona in order to maintain relevance.

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I already know you are a paid shill, I was talking about the others.

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Challenging - sure
Taking down?
They are still out there in full force - nobody went to prison - most peeps are still wearing their ukraine flag pins like good little sheep
Who is saying he's taken down anyone though?

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Taking and taken are two different words with different meanings. I only used one of them.


The people who claim the allegations are retaliation for Brand taking down big pharma (i.e. repeating loads of dog whistles and presenting publicly available data as if it's a secret weapon that "exposes" them in some strawman about "lies" we have been told.)

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There is a LOT of publicly available data out there - that is absolutely true.
I think what the independent bloggers (who are by far more population than the mainstream media outlets these days) do is bring up that which the mainstream media outlets purposely refuse to cover (we now know that most of them are largely funded by big pharma corporations - which is surreal in itself, but that also explains their selective reporting).

I think Assange did a lot of legit exposés, while most of the independent bloggers merely cover bits which are purposely (as we now know) omitted by mainstream news media. Where is Assange again?

I've seen waaaay too many bloggers get deplatformed for covering publicly available information that the mainstream press omits. We've also seen Epstein get taken out and everyone in the mainstream pretend that he offed himself.
Anyways, are you purposely pretending to be ignorant?



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You haven't said a thing that upholds Brand as the thing that people are claiming "they" are afraid of and using it as a way to hand wave allegations about him that have been bubbling for decades.

He is nothing at all like Assange.

It's not the publicly available data though is it? It's the theories and conclusions which are supposed to expose "lies" that were never actually told to us that have no entitlement to a platform or a revenue stream on digital publishing sites.

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I think when you become aware of what is not being covered and what is being covered in the mainstream news media, your critical thinking skills should begin to make you ponder about what is really going on - especially once you start following the money.

Back to your response though - err... I stopped listening to RB a while back - his presentations are lacking - no video evidence presented - to much RB and too little of evidence - and his team started using clickbait titles for his vids, which is when I stopped watching any of his stuff. I don't see anything he says that is worse than anything Joe Rogan says (attempts to cancel him were also made at least several times - but alas...). If they went after Rogan, I see this being a very similar attempt. The problem is..... everything I am reading tells me they got nothing on him that would lead to any sort of cancellation.
https://torontosun.com/entertainment/celebrity/russell-brand-facing-fresh-abuse-claims-from-woman-who-said-he-forced-her-to-commit-a-sex-act-after-ripping-her-tights

The latest 'victim' is laughable at best. They are pulling at straws at this point.




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Keep telling yourself that. He's been a known pest for over a decade.

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i saw a clip of him talkign to Bill Maher. He was spouting some claimed "Facts" about big pharma, some of which I knew, and some that I have not heard elsewhere, that IF true, would be relevant and cast big pharma in a bad light.


He also had a CONCLUSION, that I assume was his personal thinking, that seemed... reasonable and relvant.


FYI.

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Because they are morons .

He taps into their fears and predjudices and self pity by enabling and confirming barmy notions of the illuminati , or big pharma , or robotic birds

Unsurprisingly spreading that net has caught a lot of right wingers recently , so they are his new zombie army of unthinking blindly loyal apologists

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"Barmy notions of...big pharma,"

What has he said about Big Pharma that isn't true?

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I don't know what Russell Brand talks about or what his views are - and one doesn't care.

I hope others aren't formulating their views because of something Russell Brand said.

I read somewhere he was being hassled because of his political views.

Fine - but is anyone out there seriously basing what they think on Russell Brand?

If so, please, use your own brains, your own thoughts.

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