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Daily Reminder that there was a coup attempt between December 5, 2020 and January 7, 2021.


This is more important than any policy issue.
This is more important than any name-calling or "campaign topic of the day."

Every American needs to watch this PBS documentary: https://www.pbs.org/video/democracy-on-trial-sshgzy/
Every American must know what "The Eastman Memos" and "Operation Pence Card" were.
Every American needs to know why Kenneth Chesebro was indicted and what he pleaded guilty to.



Donald J. Trump, with the assistance of his allies, disrupted a 240+ year steak of peacefully transferring power in the US. That's right. 58 presidential elections all ended with the losing candidate conceding peacefully.

After exhausting all legal methods of challenging the 2024 election results, Trump attempted to:
-Pressure several public officials into criminal activity.
-Attempted to replace the attorney general with an election denialist at the last minute.
-Corrupt the certification of 2024 through fake electors.
-Demand for total immunity from the Supreme Court for the above actions when the scheme failed (This succeeded).



Some basic reads:
-https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attempts_to_overturn_the_2020_United_States_presidential_election
-https://www.npr.org/2022/06/23/1107217243/former-doj-officials-detail-threatening-resign-en-masse-trump-meeting
-https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2023/08/01/us/politics/trump-jan-6-indictment-2020-election-annotated.html


Do NOT let the media turn this coup attempt into "another random discussion" or "some obscure story". I don't know why, but they are refusing to do their job. CNN, ABC and MSNBC will only talk about the January 6 riots at best, but never about the full-blown, 100% intentional coup attempt. Instead, they seem more concerned about Trump lying about a helicopter trip than the attack on our nation's democracy by a former president.

Do NOT let the Russian bots (and yes, they do exist:https://www.npr.org/2024/07/09/g-s1-9010/russia-bot-farm-ai-disinformation) sow discord on what happened. It is well-documented, simple to digest, and provides overwhelming evidence.

Do NOT let Trump dodge accountability, obfuscate, or change the topic.

Do NOT let Kool-Aid drinkers get away with posting deflections and whataboutisms.

Do NOT let Faux "Centrists" get away with only talking about policy, giving half-answers, or acting nonchalant about a literal coup attempt. Remember:You are either okay with the coup attempt or not. This is no middle.

Do NOT let non-voters get away with remaining ignorant of the facts. Demand every American in your line of sight to research the topic.

Do NOT let Kamala, The DNC, or any Democrat official push for cucked-out civility politics over the coup attempt. There is no peace or civility when one side is okay with overthrowing the government.

Do NOT let leftists put other topics over the coup attempt between December 5, 2020, and January 2021.

Do NOT let yourself get distracted by other election drama.
Do NOT let yourself get gaslit. You are not crazy.
Do NOT let yourself get numb to the truth.



Thank you.

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member that one time when Nancy said the election was hijacked and ordered Mueller to investigate?

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Off topic troll. Do you support Trump's Coup or not?

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if it was an actual coup, then I wouldnt support it. Trump lost by chicanery, which is what Joe was saying before the election.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2020/9/30/21454325/trump-2020-peaceful-transition-election-stealing

Trump’s various options for stealing the election
The two most distinctive features of the 2020 election are the coronavirus pandemic and a president unlike any other who has held office before him. These factors combine in a particularly dangerous way, creating the conditions for a constitutional crisis on November 3.

Covid-19 has obviously caused a massive increase in mail-in ballots. A CNN survey published on September 25 found that states already had plans to mail at least 71 million absentee ballots to voters — a figure about 50 percent higher than the number of absentee ballots cast in the entire 2016 election.

Trump has long been hostile to mail-in ballots (despite using them himself), treating remote voting as a fraudulent Democratic tool for stealing elections. In 2020, there is an unusually high partisan split in mail-in voting, as the president’s rhetoric seems to be dissuading Republicans from voting remotely. If Biden wins in a close election, mail-in ballots — which can take longer to count than day-of ballots — will almost certainly be the decisive factor in his victory.

Though there is virtually no evidence for Trump’s claim that mail-in ballots are vehicles for fraud — a point that veteran Republican attorney Ben Ginsberg recently conceded in a Washington Post op-ed — this has not stopped Trump or Republican Party leaders from claiming that fraud is endemic.

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What does any of this have to do with the fake electors? All you're doing is arguing that the plot was justified.

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that its ok to steal elections? when Trump stole the 2016 election, you guys freaked out and demanded an investigation. Mueller investigated for 2 years and said that Trump won fair and square and the Durham report said that all the evidence used in the Mueller report was fake.

Obama said that elections cant be stolen. so which is it. elections can or cannot be stolen?

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More obfuscating. Why are you so determined to deflected away from the fake electorate plot? Do you seriously not know anything about it?

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Why are you so determined to deny that in 2016, NO, you didn't accept the results of Trump winning and in November, if Trump wins, you still won't accept it so give it a rest hypocrite 🙄

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Nobody is claiming Trump cheated in 2016
and the outgoing president in 2016 did not try to overthrow democracy and stay in power.

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Are you kidding me you fucking little troll?? 🤣

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRYB6N8fBKQ

24 STRAIGHT MINUTES of Democrats denying election results"

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Thats just a few people who were a bit surprised at the time.
They did not repeat that endlessly in the hope it will come true - like trump.


Thats totally different to Trump (+ all cult members) repeating inane "its rigged" lies for years afterwards.

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Ok, that's it for you dude. I posted proof and you still scoff at it so I' m not playing this game with you 🙄

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That's because in the 2020 elections the fraud was real.

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How do you think they did it ? and how many people had to be in on it?
odd that none of them have cracked or been found out yet.

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There were dozens of proofs ignored by the corrupt Justice system, but they principally used the fake mail in ballots thanks to the COVID crisis they manufactured. Obviously you are a brainless cow and won't believe anything, so I don't know why you are asking.

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"There were dozens of proofs ignored by the corrupt Justice system"

oh you mean crazy maga fantasies that not only had no proof but were actually impossible?

"fake mail in ballots" ? see above.

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Who are you trying to convince? We all Saw the fraud, for God's shake.

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and theres not a judge in the country you can take this evidence to?
They are all part of the secret plot?
every judge in the country ?

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They already did. And yeah, It was a coup to put the demócrats on power.

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And don't forget about the vote switch from Trump to Biden live on CNN.

They think that people are too stupid to realize that votes always increase and never "decrease."

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Yes, and it's funny how they repeat over and over again there wasn't fraud, like if repeating it makes it real.

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@DavidM..............The fraud was real in the 2020 election? I don't think so. Let's not forget that FOX NEWS paid Dominion nearly a billion dollars because FOX made false claims that the Dominion machines rigged the election in Biden's favor.

Also......let's not forget that Trump's attorneys at the time, pleaded guilty to lying about the 2020 being stolen. Furthermore, Jenna Ellis (one of those attorneys) has turned state's evidence and will be testifying against Trump's cronies who claim the 2020 election was rigged with fake electors.

It is all lies about the election being stolen. Even Rudy Giulianni is disgraced and has lost his privilege to practice law because he lied about the 2020 election being stolen. The pillow guy has still not brought forward the evidence he has claimed he has about the election being stolen. In fact, there is ZERO evidence brought forward that the 2020 election was stolen.

Give it up!

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Of course there was fraud with tha mail in ballots, there were even videos of it. For God's sake, Biden got more votes than any other president in History, Who te hell can believe that?

It's funny because all the people like you who repeat and repeat there wasn't fraud are the ones who will be claiming there is fraud this november when Donald wins again.

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there were even videos of it

ah those were the days , back in 2021 or so when lots of excited MAGAS would film a video of a squirrel in a tree or something and say
"Look! Fraud! proof!"

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There were videos of the ballot in mail fraud in the electoral colleges.

Who are you trying to convince Who isn't convinced yet?

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You'd think that Trump's supporters would ensure, without much difficulty, that the actual irrefutable proof that catches dems red handed would be front and centre of the news agenda if they had it. Instead of throwing shit from there diapers constantly and then the just claiming "there was proof" every now and again to justify their dipshit histrionics.

But the truth is that this "proof" is just self comforting MAGA masturbation fantasies.

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Of course, you can repeat It as many times as you want to feel better 😉

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You do.

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It bugs you that people still thinks it's fraud and that the media fake doesn't work, mm?

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Is that a roundabout way of refuting Martoto's suggestion that you could have the proof printed in the newspaper by claiming that all the media outlets In The World are in on this deception?

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Well, all the media property of Blackrock and the WEF (which are almost all the West media) are in the deception, yes. I know it looks impossible to you, but that is.

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Whataboutism. If you want to make a thread about Hillary or Obama, you can make one. This is about TRUMP and his actions.

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Whenever someone responds with "Whataboutism", it generally means you don't have a leg to stand on and have no logical reply

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No when you post an irrelevant whataboutism that prompts someone to say "thats a Whataboutism" , it generally means you don't have a leg to stand on and have no logical reply.


Its one of the MAGA standard responses look: #4

MAGA Excuse list
-Libturds control everything
-False Flag
-Fake News, MSM propaganda
-What about the other guy
-TDS
-We were only joking, it was satire

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It's only irrelevant when you disagree with it asshole and you know it so just stop already.. You're the kind of poster who wants "SHOW ME THE EVIDENCE!!" "SHOW ME THE EVIDENCE!!" AND when they show it, you shit on it and say it's irrelevant or it's "Whataboutism" and that's as liberal sounding as it gets. Hell, even my liberal sister uses that line for heaven sake 🙄

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How is your evidence of a few people in 2016 "denying" the election results relevant to the thread topic of Trumps attempt to overthrow democracy on Jan 6th?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQYVtaNS1kQ&t=41s

Come on.. Just stop Trolling already and admit your liberal side is no better than you claim the right is

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In that video they just acknowledged that the system is "odd" , and because of the state vote thing someone may get in while not actually getting more votes.

Some clinton backers called for change. legal change
How many? probly just a few upset trolls on twitter.

Thats different to claiming the election was rigged by magic and refusing to hand over power , starting an insurrection and every single follower drinking the cool aid.

its not the same thing.

Ask the people here at moviechat, as a cross section of the public from both sides , how many vote Trump and think 2020 was rigged - ALL OF THEM

Ask the dems how many think 2016 was rigged NONE OF THEM

thats a big difference

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Bye Bye.. You're now on ignore and that's unfortunate, but you are trolling now and desperate to spin a video your way, the way you see it, but I watched it and sorry, there were a shit ton of Lefties protesting Trump's win in 2016 and maybe you were too young to care, who knows, but you need to do your research a little better before you go trolling people the way you do

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If you want to talk about something else, talk about it someplace else. This one is about the fake elector plot.

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Yeah?? Funny how you have that from the Democrats in 2016 when Trump won and you don't even bring it up, but I'll do it for ya:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQYVtaNS1kQ

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I don't care. Why are you deflecting?

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Nah, I think you're the one deflecting and about to go on ignore like moviechatterer. After awhile, I don't think you want to debate so much as you want to have a dick measuring contest over your hate for Trump and it simply grows old

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You're not debating it. You're deflecting. You haven't said a SINGLE thing about the fake elector scheme.

Do you even know what it is?

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Enough of you Troll, so you know the drill: You're on ignore and you're now #21

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fiKXcHyGMM8

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@Narwhale37.....that fake elector plot is going to be exposed as a huge lie when Jenna Ellis turns state's evidence and testifies about that foiled plot by Trump and his cronies. It is all a bunch of lies and those lies will be brought forward, thanks to Jenna Ellis. She is guilty and so is Sydney Powell of lying about those fake electors and that the 2020 was rigged. Trump should give up that rhetoric.

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How are you sure she's going to do that? What about the people who already plead guilty?

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I thought Trump was going to steal the election? what happened?

https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2020/10/07/pelosi-trump-will-lie-cheat-and-steal-to-win-this-election/

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) said President Donald Trump would “lie, cheat and steal to win this election” on Wednesday’s broadcast of ABC’s “The View.”

Behar said, “I’m dreaming of the day when we all say ‘President Nancy Pelosi.’ I think that sounds really good. But the polls are showing that Biden is ahead in key swing states. It’s very encouraging in many ways, Pennsylvania, et cetera, but I’m still worried that they could steal this election. I know that the Russians are still involved. Trump’s own Department of Homeland Security just released a report warning that Russia is a key threat to the election. Now we knew this going into 2016 too, and we saw how that turned out. This is why I’m not counting my chickens at all. I’m still nervous. People have to vote, and we have to win in a landslide. How concerned are you about that?”

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Stop obfuscating. Talk about the fake elector plot.

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it was fake. what else do you need to know.

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So you're admitting Trump tried to send fake electors to the Capitol to corrupt the election certification?

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why would he send fake electors? they are fake.

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Look it up. I'm not spoon feeding you the topic of the thread if you don't even know the basics behind it. I included links in the OP if you want somewhere to start.

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It's a lost cause, Narwhale37. He is not just pretending to be stupid.

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@JoWilli.............Jenna Ellis, Trump's lawyer at the time, lied along with Sydney Powell about fake electors. Now, Jenna Ellis is turning state's evidence so she will not go to jail. Jenna is going to testify against several Trump cronies and put that fake elector conspiracy to bed. The 2020 election was not stolen.When are you going to realize that?

Let's not forget FOX NEWS agreed to pay Dominion $787.5 million and acknowledged the court's earlier ruling that Fox had broadcast false statements about Dominion. The settlement did not require Fox News to apologize. It is the largest known media settlement for defamation in U.S. history.

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well Nancy lied about collusion and everyone involved in the conspiracy to illegally remove Trump from office has not been prosecuted, indicted or jailed. why you ask? because there is a 2 tier justice system. dont you find it odd that everyone associated to Trump has been investigated by the federal govt?

MSNBC and CNN and all the other liberal sites lied about Trump colluding with Russia and nothing happened to them. Trump tried to sue Nancy but the case was thrown out. why you ask? because there is a 2 tier justice system.

as I recall, Obama said that our elections are 100% secure and cant be hacked. and then Nancy and Hillary whined about Trump stealing the election and then before the 2020 election, Nancy said that Trump was going to steal the election again and Joe said that he was going to lose by chicanery and Hillary said not to accept the results of the election. then after the election. dems said it was fair and honest. in 2023 Hillary said that Russia will help steal the election again. so which is it? can elections be stolen or not?

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basically, we need to establish if elections can be stolen or not. as you recall, Obama mocked Trump for suggesting US elections can be stolen.

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Looking back on how The last 4 years have been?? YES

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The coup was against him, as there was election fraud to make Biden win. That day USA became a banana Republic like Venezuela.

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A "justified" coup is still a coup.

Do you support his coup, yes or no?

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There wasn't any coup. If there was he would be in prison now and removed from the november elections. Stop spreading lies, please.

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There wasn't any coup.

What part of the conspiracy do you not believe? The fake electors were in the video.

If there was, he would be in prison now and removed from the November elections.

1)Trump's facing charges over this now, but is trying to delay the trial until after 2024 where he can force the DOJ to drop the charges. His "defense" is that he should be immune simply for being president. Yes. It's as crazy as that sounds, and the fact that we aren't having this conversation is deeply concerning.
2)He SHOULD have been barred from running due to the 14th Amendment for engaging in an insurrection. However, the Supreme Court decided that using fake electors to corrupt the 2024 results is not enough of an insurrection apparently.

Stop spreading lies, please.

Where's the lie? Give name specific areas where I lied.

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Why is he free and running for president again then?
You are saying that you are right and the Supreme Court wrong?

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Why is he free and running for president again then?

Because the trial hasn't happened yet. Why haven't you read the indictments?


You are saying that you are right and the Supreme Court wrong?

Yes, but it's extremely obvious that they were wrong to every lawyer in the country as well. Did you read their opinion? Did you read what the critics and minority opinion argued?

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Bluh bluh bluh

Why you don't go to the Supreme Court and tell them that they are wrong? Maybe they understand It and change their opinión!

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It doesn't Matter what every lawyer in the country thinks, It only matters what the Supreme Court said. Bad luck for you!

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Why are you arguing in bad faith? Did you even read their decision?

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The decision that he still can run for president?

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Did you read the reading why the Supreme Court allows him to still run and why he should get criminal immunity? I think you should start there before posting again.

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Yes I did, and that's the only important thing. He still can be president. Cry all you want, is useless.

And anyway, the coup was of the demócrats Who stole the elections.

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You can call me when he is arrested and/or barred from the elections, instead of crying in a cinema chat.

Spoiler: It won't happen 😉

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"Yes I did".

Prove it. What did the immunity ruling allow? What was the reason for it?

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I don't have to prove anything. You are in the wrong place here, you should go to the Supreme Court to cry and tell them that they are wronggg and Trump shouldn't be ruling for president because he is a criminal 🤡

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Why are you like this? Why can't you argue in good faith?

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i am arguing in good faith! you should file a complaint against the Supreme Court for perversion of justice. You have all the lawyers of the country on your side, it's a sure victory!

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Nah, you basically admitted you don't even know what the ruling was.

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I know he still can run for president. Other considerations are irrelevant :)

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And I know you're bad faith. Your point?

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He can be president again in november :)

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Honest question:How much do you know about the fake elector plot?

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I don't care at all about It. Answer me: Trump can or can't be president again in november?

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You don't care if a presidential candidate attempted a coup?

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It doesn't matter what I think about it, sadly for you it only matters what the Supreme Court thinks :(

And by the way the coup was made by the democrats who stole the election.

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The supreme court never said it didn't happen.

Do you even know what the fake elector scheme is? Yes or no?

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They allow him to be president again and that's the only thing that matters. But you can repeat this bullshit to yourself all times you want if that makes you feel better, boy 💪

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Do you even know what the fake elector scheme is? Yes or no?

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I am not coming into your bullshit game, sorry. Whining about the imaginary crimes Trump has committed while the supreme court allows him to run for president is pathetic, so make me a call when he is in prison and/or barred from the elections 😉

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You are an inmature baby crying. I recommend you to Accept he is running for president again, and probably winning, if you don't It Will just cause you more and more anxiety.

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MAGA morons believe EVERYONE is lying except Trump.

That's really it,,,, which makes it a cult of personality

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And you believe every lie TV says, It's pathetic 🤦

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So what I said is true? Everyone is lying except Trump?

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No, there are a lot other people who isn't lying, but the brainwashed left isn't one of them, just the opposite.

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Remember when the left lied and said that Trump said that nazis were very fine people?

When he said the exact opposite.

They stuck by that lie for years. Some of the dumber one still stand by it.

That's just one very good example of course.

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Remember when Trump lied about Obama not being a citizen? Notice how the right still tries to peddle that lie? You ok with that lie?

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Kind of a big difference between a question about a decades old birth certificate and lying to the entire world what someone JUST SAY LIVE IN PUBLIC, and we had the fucking transcripts for slow kids in class.

AND, i never hear anyone bring up the birth certificate these days, not for years.


ALSO, big difference between maybe that person was born a certain place and THEY LIKE NAZIS.

You people are the bad guys here, not us.

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Nope a lie is a lie. Had someone on the left done that you wouldn't let it go. Therefore I'm holding your orange deity to the sane standards you hold the left to. He needed to show class and apologize for doing that he didn't, which shows how trash of a human being him and his supporters are.

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Only a retard would pretend all lies are teh same.

A lie that the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITIED STATES, is sympathetic to fucking NAZIS, is vile poison to the unity of the united states.

If your goal was to increase hate and racial violence, it would be hard to think ofa better lie to tell than that one.

And the way it was such a blatan and obvious lie, and you faggots just stonewalled on it for years, shows that you are vile soulless monsters.

FUCK YOU ALL.

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I don't condone any lie. You condone lies so long as the right does it. Trump lied the point stands.

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When did you admit that "very fine people" iie was a lie? Did you speak out when the lie was tearing this country apart or just sit there and watch as half the nation was told that the other half were fucking nazis?

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Who cares, retard? Trump is a 34 times convicted felon who is way too old to be president and his dementia is getting worse by the day. Why do you still worship him?

You claim that Biden is too old to be president but now Trump is the oldest candidate ever to run for president. Why aren't you holding Trump to the same standard?

Here's the reality, Goober. Trump's cognitive abilities are disintegrating and it's obvious to all Americans that he is not mentally fit to serve as president again.

The next 90 days or so will be very uncomfortable for you. I hope you'll be okay when Harris destroys your orange master in November.

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Who cares? Grift was saying stuff and my comment was in relation to the stuff he was saying.

So, your comment is just shit. YOU are shit.

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I hold Trump to same standards you hold the left to. I can admit that was a lie from the left. The difference is I'm not willing to look past a lie from Trump where as you are. Did you speak out when Trump lied about that? Or did you keep quiet?

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And you fail AGAIN.

Your inability to engage in converstation is unbelievable.

I asked you when you admitted it. APPROXIMATELY would be fine. I don't need exact dates.


The birther thing? Discussed it all the time. My position became fairly early on that the reaction from the dems made me want to see it. I wondered if his leftard mom put something stupid on the certificate like, renouncing his american citizenship or something.

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You don't need an exact date you fucking idiot. I admitted it years ago and I openly admitted it now! I admitted it now tongue I can call out a lie. So then I did admit it. A year ago.

When you saw it did you call out Trump's lie or remain quiet about it. Or did you say it was fake and move the goal post like all the other stupid right wing incels?

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1. DID YOU OPEN YOUR FUCKING PIE HOLE WHEN YOUR LEFTARD FRIENDS WHERE LYING TO THE COUNTRY ABOUT WHAT HE SAID?

2. i was honest and stated that I thought it was mostly wishful thinking, to think that Obama, a strong candidate could be sidelined by a technicality.
The birther conspiracy theory was not nearly as poisonous as the race baiting lies of the left, over the "Very nice people" lie.

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Yep I did. I don't simp and cover for any side when they are wrong. That's your game.

I will take you at your word even though a prick like you doesn't deserve it. Bottom line the point stands Trump lied. Which shows your orange deity isn't above telling lies himself.

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1. impressive. I was on other cites at that time, and I saw NO LEFTIES that had that... level of not being a lying whore faggot. BUT, if you were an exception, GOOD FOR YOU.

2. But Trump clearly is a "big talker". Half the time he shoots his mouth off, he isn't looking to be taken seriously or literally. IMO, he mostly was just putting spin out there to define himself as the most ANTI-OBAMA of the candidates. He certainly wasn't tearing the country apart with hate and racism.

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I don't believe you anecdotal experience. According to you anyone who is in the left is bad or lacks integrity. Funny when you are the one who will gladly look past corruption on the right.

Horse shit! Had a left wing person did this you would call out the lie. A lie is a lie! See there you go! You attempt to gaslight and downplay the lie. Did you see me do that for the Nazi are fine people comment? Nope I said yeah that's bullshit! Now show some divinity and admit he was full of shit!

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1. Did YOU run into numerous other lefties that also admitted, openly, that Trump had clearly condemened the nazis at that rally?

2. Telling half the country that the other half are NAZIS, is the kind of lie that at best, gets people killed, and at worst helps lay the ground for a fucking civil war or oppressive tryanny.

Telling half the country that a strong and feared candidate might have been born out of the country and thus derailed from the Presidency becasue of a technicality, does none of that.

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How is this relevant to our discussion? It's pointless. You aren't going to believe what I say. I'm admitting it here that is all that matters. Your outside experience doesn't mean a damn thing.

Doesn't matter! Is it a lie or not?

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1. That's a no. By and large the lefties of this country went along with the lie with a strength and conviction that is terrifying.

THe whole concept of a lot of people, a big group, saying the same thing giving credibilty to a claim? That doesn't work with lefties any more. Despite your personal exception, by and large your side are shameless, even soulless liars.


2. I disagree. i think that the kind of lie and the levels of damage do matter. Lying about say, a minor personal matter like getting a blowjob, is not that big of a deal. Lying about half the country being nazis, gets people killed.

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See you did exactly what I knew you would do. You insert your own answer. I have met lefties who call it out. Watch you deny it now.

You are arguing which lie is worse. That doesn't change if a lie is worse than another. That also wasn't what we were discussing. A lie is a lie the point stands. We can get into which one is worse later. Is it a lie?

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1. Big media, big tech, the vast majority of social medai, and lefty partisans, held to the lie.

YOu, and your exceptions, I am sure they exist, in a population of 300 millon. But you had no impact on the overall political landscape.


2. I think that Trump probably knew that Obama was born in Hawaii, so, yes, any claims he made that Obama was NOT born there, were lies.

3. But the birther conspiracy theory was nothing compared to the massive lie that hte left needs to push, ie that the GOP, white america, not matter how you divide it down, are "Racist" and "out to get" black and brown people.

That lie is killing people and has us on the path to every increasing racial and political conflict and violence.

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Irrelevant. That's not what we were discussing. You like to deflect back to that because you can't rationally debate. You are debating me not big media, big tech, social media or other Lettie partisans. I am only responsible for what I do and say. So let's not play that game sound good?

Boom good so it was a lie!

That was the point. Your other bullshit is dismissed. Your gaslighting and attempt to downplay a lie didn't work. Deal with it

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1. The point being discussed was a lefty claiming that Trump supporters believe that everyone else lies except Trump. Demonstrating that the left lies as a group VERY WELL, with very limited exceptions, is thus ontopic. Your denial is siilly.

2. I never said that Trump doesn't lie.

3. You are the one insisting on idiocy, ie that all lies are the same. A lie about where guy was born, is much less poisonous than calling a guy a fucking nazis. Your denial is you being a liar yourself.

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Nope. It was the fact that you are willing to call out lies from the left but not from the right.

Yet you attempted to gaslight and downplay his lie.

Nope I never said all lies are the same. A lie is a lie though regardless if which one is worse. You are trying to say a lie isn't one depending on it's severity. Not how it works bitch.

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1. YOu show me a lie from the right that is relevant to any issue that I care about, and I will call it out.

2. He wanted to define himself as the most anti-Obama candidate, and he was willing to play on people's wishful thinking. That is not "downplaying" it, that is a reasonable analysis of it.

3. You are talking in circles now to dodge. NOthign Trump or the republicans have done ever is as bad as the vile lies the left depend on.

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I already did. Ok let's go with another then. Is the vaccine a death jab? If so why isn't Trump called out for advocating for it by the right who is anti vaccine?

I don't give a shit what his reason for doing it is. It's a lie!

Nope you are twisting things. A lie is a lie bottom line.

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1. So, to give me a lie to call out, you give me Trump advocating for the jab? I'm confused.

2. You asked me tto call him out. That's me calling out my view on it. Your problem is the lack of lefty hysteria. That is what you really want.

3. This country is not white supremacist. anyone that claims it is, is race baiting with the goal of tearing us apart, when the level of racial strife we already have, is killing people.

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Is the vaccine good or not? Plenty of right wingers say the vaccine is a death jab. If that's the case isn't Trump lying saying it's good for us?

No it's you trying to gaslight. Just say yeah he lied. I don't need your commentary or analysis. You have issues with yes or no questions I noticed. Did I give my analysis on why the Nazi lie was peddled? No I said it was a lie. I didn't gaslight or try to downplay it like you often do. You ask me if it's a lie and I say yes. Boom! It's that simple.

Your attempt to deflect is noted and dismissed. A lie is a lie the point stands.

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1. I don't see a lie there. So, nothing for me to call out. Do you want to try again?

2. Some questions are very simple. Some are more complex and a simple answer can be misleading. I gave you my honest answer.

3. Not all lies are teh same. That is the lie that the left is telling. They point to Trump talking about the size of a crowd and another lefty telling half of america that their country was built on slavery, and pretend that those two lies are equal.

That is you people killing this nation. Why do you hate America?

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If the vaccine is a death jab and Trump is advocating for it, that would be him lying when he says it's good for you. I don't think Trump lied because I don't think the vaccine is a death jab. If you believe it's a death jab that would make Trump a liar.


I don't want your long winded answer. I only want yes or no. If I want a detailed answer I will ask for it.

A lie is a lie. The point stands.

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Grift your argument is based on you pretending to be so retarded that you do not understand what a lie is.

So, just go fuck yourself.

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Nope. You are the one who thinks that if one lie us worse than another it makes the one that is less bad not a lie. That's you being confused. Both lies regardless of which one is worse is still a lie.

Chew on that and go fuck yourself.

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Your question about trump is based on you pretending to be so retarded that you don't know the meaning of the word lie.

That is just you being a fucktard.

When you are ready to be serious, let me know. Until then go fuck yourself.

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Nope a lie is a lie. The point stands.

You aren't getting around that. I proved my point here. Shove that up your ass.

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He loves Hitler and you know it

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House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) said President Donald Trump would “lie, cheat and steal to win this election” on Wednesday’s broadcast of ABC’s “The View.”

Behar said, “I’m dreaming of the day when we all say ‘President Nancy Pelosi.’ I think that sounds really good. But the polls are showing that Biden is ahead in key swing states. It’s very encouraging in many ways, Pennsylvania, et cetera, but I’m still worried that they could steal this election. I know that the Russians are still involved. Trump’s own Department of Homeland Security just released a report warning that Russia is a key threat to the election. Now we knew this going into 2016 too, and we saw how that turned out. This is why I’m not counting my chickens at all. I’m still nervous. People have to vote, and we have to win in a landslide. How concerned are you about that?”

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Its weird, i can tolerate Trumps lies (Unmalicious) but not the Lefts lies (malicious).

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Unmalicious?

He successfully incited a coup to shit on democracy and the flag and stay in power unelected!!

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Unmalicious!? He threw his VP under the bus and never blinked

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The coup was that the Democrats conspired to deny his request for the national guard, because they were worried that he would use the national guard to stop the transfer of power.

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Irrelevant whataboutism. Go make a different thread about this claim. This one is specifically about Trump's Coup.

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What!??
You actually believe that?

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Do they cover why Trump offered national guard troops to protect the capitol, if he was planning a coup?

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Why would that matter? Are you driving this disproves the fake electorate plot and all of its overwhelming evidence?

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what about the cold hard evidence Nancy said she had? where is the evidence Trump stole the 2016 election?

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What about Nancy? Go make a thread about Nancy Pelosi if you want.

Why don't you read about the fake electorate plot? Did you read Trump's indictment over it?

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Well it certainly disproves the claimed intent of a coup on 1/6.

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I didn't say anything about the riot on Jan 6. I talked about the fake electorate plot. Are you denying that it happened?

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I'm denying that it was an attempted coup. It was Trump trying to game the system within the rules of the system.

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You think corrupting the the election certification process with fake electors is something "within the system" and 100% legal?

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It is cool the way that you spin your question to include your conclusion in the question.

Very clever.

DISHONEST AS HELL, but clever.

I wonder what it says of you, and what your brain thinks of your position, that you feel a need for such games? MMMMMMmmmm.


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How was the fake elector plot legal?

What part of my question did you not like?

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I explained what I didn't like about your question. The bit where you ask a question that was already answered?

That's a common tactic with lefties who know they are in the wrong.

If you actually believed your position, you would have just addressed teh point I raised, instead of stalling by asking me to repeat myself.

Your own tactics show that you know you are spouting a false narrative.

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No you didn't. I'm like 85% sure you don't even know what the fake elector scheme is.

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So you're just dropping that whole request for clarification about what I said?

See that was the plan. You asked a "question" to avoid addressing my point, and then after I responded, it didn't matter what I said, you did a subject change.

Very smoothly done too.

ONly thing is, why would someone develope their skills at dodging points?

That was a RHETORICAL QUESTION.

The answer is, becuase deep down, they know that they are in the wrong of most issues. So they know that to "win" or at least maintain the illusion that their world view has SOME credibility, they have to get good at being evasive and avoiding real discussion.


My point stands. THe way that you NEED to ask the question in the most troll boi fashion, peppered with unneed spin words and opinion and...jus shit, instead of actually asking the question in a civil manner?


That shows that you know you don't actually have anything to support your ire or position.


Thus, it is not really a question at all.

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Your "point", is silly and not even Trump's lawyers argue it. Why do you think it's legal to send fake electors to the capitol to subvert the election? Please do some basic research on this topic.

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Can't be bothered. I stopped paying much attention to the hysterical raving of the left after the steel dossier.

You people do not have ZERO credibilty, you have ANTI-CREDIBILITY.

The action of you making an accusation, INCREASES the status of the person you are accusing. When I see that the left is having a hissy fit attacking someone, I note that person for consideration as being a worthy person to give a serious "listen" to.

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This isn't some "radical left attack". Just listen to Bill Barr's opinion on it.

Why are you here if you're not going to engage with the topic?

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But it is a lefty attack. You, a lefty, are attacking him for political reasons.

Regardless of the merits of this case that you are arguing, you would pretend to believe it, so that you can take advantage of the discussion of the issue, to spout negative talking points about Trump and Trump supporters.

Look, I can prove it.

Do you believe that Enrique Tarrio was an FBI asset?


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Don’t fret, after Trump loses in November, the J6 trial in 2025 will reveal all the evidence that you missed

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If he wins, I hope that he directs the government to investigate misconduct in the trials aimed at him.

I would love to see the texts and emails between the players of those kangeroo courts.

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I would love those J6 texts- woo-hoo howdy do!

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Yeah.

Here's a question. So, Enrique Tarrio, the leader of the Proud Boys, it has been leaked, supposedly a FBI asset.

If that is true, then why was he not ordered to have the proud boys stand down?

If that is true, why did the FBI not pass on information about the plans to storm the capitol to the capitol police? Or did they? In which case, why were hte capitol police so underprepared? Why did they refuse national guard troops from Trump?

If Tarrio is a FBI asset, then ALL THE COMMINICATIONS AND REPORTS AND DIRECTIVES TO HIM, need to be released to the public, immediately.


We NEED to know that the fuck was going on there.

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It’ll all come out in the trial in 2025, hopefully with cameras

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The FBI don't control the criminals described as assets.

They may not have a case against them. But the FBI have always been able to depend on scumbags, whether it's organised, corrupt politicians, or jerks like your Proud Boy, being happy to rat on people within their community for their own benefit. That's what they mean by an asset. Tarrio is rat. Just like all crooks eventually turn rat, even if it's near the end and only to avoid hardcore jail time.

I wonder who Trump will rat on when he wants to save his skin.

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But that doesn't really answer the questions. Even if they didn't have the level of control to order him to order the proud boys to stand down,

they would still know the plans. SO, why was the attack allowed to succeed?

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How would they know the plans?

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From their asset. As I said.

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Being their asset doesn't mean having all their knowledge. Just means that they are a source of some information when the scumbags need/want to stab one of their own in the back.

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Do you want to know the full story of what happened on that day and what everyone who was responsible for anything did or did NOT do?



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[–] Corbell (10831) a day ago
they would still know the plans.

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[–] Martoto (4699) a day ago
How would they know the plans?

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[–] Corbell (10831) 14 hours ago
From their asset. As I said.

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[–] Martoto (4699) 5 hours ago
Being their asset doesn't mean having all their knowledge. Just means that they are a source of some information when the scumbags need/want to stab one of their own in the back.

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So, I take it this is sort of what you imagine happened in the FBI offices?

FBI guy 1 : Big republican rally outside of the capitol. Lots of proud boys and oath keepers. People are very, very angry. Any word from the leader of the proud boys, who is our agent?

FBI guy 2: Let me check my messages. Mmmm, nope. NOthing. Huh. Aint that funny. You think he would have had something to say about this. I hope he's ok. I wonder if they found out he was a mole.

FBI guy 1: Do you think we should do something, maybe bring him in and ask him what is going on? Make sure he's ok?

FBI guy 2: Sounds like a lot of work. You want to go get tacos for lunch? We should ask FBI girl 1 to come along, she's hot.


So, that is kind of what you are imaging? AND, you're fine with that, you're fine with the idea that the fbi watched a massive rally of supposedly dangerious political radicals and white supremacists march on the capitol, and didn't bother to even talk to their asset(s) inside the movement?

AND YOU think that and are happy with that, you support that level of... performance.

Is that a fair description of your position and if not, what did I get wrong?


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Since when did the Proud Boy leader become an FBI "agent"?

You can't even deal in basic honesty.

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See, right there, you demonstrate that you don't believe your own panic mongering.

And by you, I mean YOU personally AND you plural like all the lefty panic mongers talking stupid shit about the Proud Boys and the like being "nazis" or a "threat to democracy", ect. ect. ect.

Becuase, if you were serious, YOU personally would be asking the same questions I am.

1. What did the FBI know and when did they know it?

2. IF they knew nothing, why didn't they take steps to find out?

3. If they knew everything, which is most likely, then did they pass the information on, and if not why not?

4. If the capitol police was tipped off about the plans, why were they not ready?

5. What were the orders for all the fbi assets in the area AND the orders of the capitol police?


That you are fine with these questions being ignored, shows that you know it is all bullshit and your only concern about it, is how you can use it to smear your enemies.


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And you continue to refuse to acknowledge what an "asset" is except in your arbitrary assumption that all their plans, motives, movements and actions are known to the FBI somehow.

You realise you're asking me why the FBI allowed Trump's insurrectionists try to stage a coup. The insurrection and coup that you claim never happened. It magically happens again when its essential for your hare-brained attempt to implicate the FBI.

Cheerio son.

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I don't believe it, but you claim to believe it.

Yet, if you really believe it, they why don't you care about these obvoius, and INCREADIBLY IMPORTANT questions?

The fact that you don't care, shows that you know your stated beliefs are bullshit.

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Make your mind up.

Weird.

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Dude. As I explained, YOU are the one being weirdly inconsistent.

You pretending to be too retarded, to understand my point?

That is just you underling how afraid you are to be honest about this.




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Still replying?

Weird.

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Why wouldn't I?

every post puts to the top of the screen, this exchange where I made the point that,

the reactions of the libs to 1/6, just don't make any sense.

If they really believe the shit they/you say, you would be wanting answers to these questions,

NUMBER ONE, WHAT DID THE FBI KNOW AND WHEN DID THEY KNOKW IT?

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It's weird that you think nobody is asking those questions. And that you pretend to be the only one asking for what the FBI are hiding about a thing that you claim never happened.

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The FBI should be releasing all documents and reports that htey had from any and all assets going into 1/6.

The american people need to know if there was a real attempt at a coup, or if the talk of a real threat is shit talk to justify a crackdown designed to terrorize the political enemies of the dems.


One of these scenarios is real, the other is not.

We the people need to know.

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Just let me get this straight. You believe that the FBI should have been surveilling, tailing, spying on the very good people in the Proud Boys and other concerned citizens so that they would know if an insurrection attempt was going to be made and be held responsible for preventing it. That's your idea of how the government should be treating law abiding private citizens so that they are forced to reveal that they already knew they were innocent if there's ever an investigation into a thing you claim never happened in the first place.

Weird.

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But the stated position from the FBI and the justice department is that the Proud Boys are NOT law abiding citizens but supposedly dangerous radicals.

So, if they really believe that, then it is their duty to try to monitor the dangerous radicals.

I mentioned that several times above? Did you forget? Just how old are you?

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Where is that stated?

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I've seen various press releases where they have discussed it.

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Sure you have.

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You haven't?

Are you being serious?

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No. I wasn't even aware the FBI made such frequent 0
"press releases". Sounds like something you should be able to share with us quite easily l.

But I notice that it's the same as the mountains of voter fraud evidence, the proof is rather shy l. It prefers to have other people talk about its existence than to ever show itself l.

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You need to pay more attention..

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Never forget.

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I'm more interested in the coup that removed Biden from office.

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Whataboutism. Go make a thread about it on the Biden page. Not here.

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He's still in office.

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The coup that removed him from being candidate again.

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You twerps have got yourself so twisted around chasing Trump's diaper that you've come full circle from goading Biden as unfit to stand as candidate for presidency in his condition, to calling it a coup now that Biden's chosen to withdraw.

Don't you dweebs have ANY dignity?

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Don't YOU have any dignity? The way Kamala has been put as new candidate is a coup and a shame for democracy. Even the members of BLM are offended by it:

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/we-dont-live-dictatorship-black-lives-matter-blasts-democrats-anointing-harris-without

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Yeah sure. The far right media outlet has the scoop on what the Marxist terrorist organisation feels inside about the democratic implications of Harris being nominated to run in Biden's place.

I don't read political fanzines designed to tell me what they think I and other gullible twats want to hear and pretend it's the news. I have that much dignity.

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So BLM is lying, or you simply don't care at all what they think? It's from the official BLM web btw:
https:
//blacklivesmatter.com/black-lives-matter-statement-on-kamala-harris-securing-enough-delegates-to-become-democratic-nominee/

You have perfectly showed that you don't understand or simply don't care at all or how democratic processes are supposed to work, thanks :)

I know you would like the democracy to be abolished, thankfully this isn't happening yet.

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Yeah, no there wasn't, but nice try. There were, however, looting and riots by uppity entitled people all throughout the summer of 2020 in the name of BLM, but let's not let that get in the way of our whine

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Enjoy the J6 trials in 2025

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Fischer Overturned By SCOTUS:

This means the Department of Justice has unlawfully prosecuted 350+ Americans for their participation in J6 -- A flagrant abuse of the law to punish those who protested Biden's election and to criminalize political dissent.

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Enjoy the trials in 2025

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