Remember the gay wedding cake story?
I just have a hypothetical question. If a place refused service to Christians, do you think the Fox News talking heads would call it bigotry? Why or why not? What would Donald Trump say?
https://www.redstate.com/brandon_morse/2017/10/06/gay-coffee-shop-owner-refuses-serve-christians-goes-anti-christian-rant/
I believe Fox News talked about the hypocrisy of the left, saying Christians have to create things that go against our morals, but the left is actually much more intolerant. As a freedom-loving Christian, I believe that owner has the right to serve whomever he pleases. I don't believe we have the right to be served.
saying Christians have to create things that go against our morals
Why do these types feel the need to push their personal morals onto the choices made by others?
Then if they believe in the Bible so strongly, they should refuse to serve straight couples that have been having premarital sex and demand a certificate of virginity before baking the cake.
Pick and choose, pick and choose!
If the cake was wanted for a celebration of premarital sex, it would be denied as well. The baker doesn't make Halloween cakes, either.
shareIt just goes to show how stupid religion can be. A baker can deny to write two male names on a cake to "bless" their marriage but what if the couple asks for a regular cake with nothing special about it? Does the baker get to say that his normal cake with no names on it will not be desecrated? I doubt any Christian baker would even care and would happily sell any normal cake to the gay couple even if the baker knew what it was for. But because a baker was asked to write some people's names on the cake then all of a sudden it goes against his beliefs? Its so stupid.
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Thought of something. A celebration of premarital sex -- this kind of party never happens. Why celebrate it when you can just do it? BUT what does happen a lot are baby showers - catered baby showers. With cakes.
Do these super Christian bakers ever ask if the parents are married before baking a baby shower cake? Then refuse to bake that cake if the parents are unwed? THIS. NEVER. HAPPENS.
It's all about discriminating against gays.
Yeah, I do wonder about that, too. It seems they focus on the "sin of homosexuality" to the point that they leave out all the other sins. It's probably because sins are committed every day by the average person so it's easier to point to "those rotten homosexuals" who are doing a sin that you are not doing.
shareOne thing I find comical is the Cake maker can put the desired design on the cake, sell it for whatever inflated price they can get away with, and the stupid cake is going to be eaten and essentially destroyed. They'll have made $$ and the world goes on. But no ! We need to express our moral outrage. Oh brother !
shareWow, that is crazy. I understand that businesses have the right to refuse people they don't wish to serve. But on the other hand, it does seem weird.
How would a black person feel if a place said, "Sorry we don't like black people. Get outta here!"
How would a veteran feel if someone said, "We don't like the military here. Get out!"
Seems like it's fair from the owner's standpoint, but sucks for the customers getting turned away.
Oddly enough, I will agree here. What I really think is the cake maker should be known for being a bigot and let the market decide who wants to patronize or not. Hopefully a lot of straight people would avoid this shop. Not necessary to picket or boycott, just let it be known there are other shops to go to. I personally don't care if Hobby Lobby offers birth control insurance, but I won't walk into their store even to escape a rainstorm.
shareI've already seen news stories like that in the past few years, and yet they never went national. One was a gay coffee shop owner in Seattle that ran some Christian kids out of his shop because they wanted to pray in the lounge area. One of the kids filmed him on his cell phone camera yelling at them.
Don't you just love the Left's definition of tolerance?
I guess my point was that if Christians do not believe it is bigotry to refuse to cater to gay people, then it isn't bigotry if someone refuses to serve Christians because of their personal beliefs against Christians.
Either both are bigoted, or neither is bigoted, I suppose.
No your baiting a straw man that the two cases are quivlent. Your suggesting refusing to make a gay wedding cake is the same as throwing all homosexuals out of the bakery which isn't what happening.
shareSo then I guess the equivalent would be if a place refused to bake a cake with a cross on it.
shareAn even weaker straw man. The difference is no one has a problem making a gay birthday cake or graduation cake for a gay person. Its the wedding cake thats the issue and certain SJWs are trying to treat it like gays are being thrown to the back or off the bus.
shareWrong. If you're in the business of baking wedding cakes, then you bake the goddamn cake. Whether the customers are gay, straight, MAGA, non-MAGA.
Let's see if your argument holds up when we swap sexuality with race: "no one has a problem making a BLACK birthday cake or graduation cake for a BLACK person. Its the wedding cake thats the issue and certain SJWs are trying to treat it like BLACKS are being thrown to the back or off the bus."
So you'd be okay if a baker refused to bake a wedding cake for black people because according to the baker's interpretation of the Bible, black people are animals and therefore can't get married?
Stop trying to restraw man the argument. No where in the bible does it say blacks and whites can't marry. But its pretty clear male on male or female on female marriage was never a thing until now.
shareBoth are bigoted, but the problem is, one side thinks the door of bigotry only swings one way, and that what they do doesn't count as being prejudicial against the other group. I dislike double-standards far more by comparison. The worst part is, the double-standard bearers get away with it all the time.
shareOne idiot who has a coffee shop does not represent "the Left." That's just you using a stupid and specious example to serve your own agenda.
share Its one thing to refuse to make a gay wedding cake is not the same as refusing to make all cakes for homosexuals.
If christians went into a muslim shop demanding a cake that red "Allah is a lie from hell" yea I can expect that owner to refuse making that particular cake.
"If christians went into a muslim shop demanding a cake that red "Allah is a lie from hell""
Ahh but you are moving the goal posts. "Allah is a lie from hell" really isn't any worse than writing "f your mother." Any bakery business can refuse to write something hateful or obscene since that kind of speech is frowned upon. There's nothing obscene or hateful about "congratulations Bob and Steve."
Now here's a real dilemma. Lets say a baker makes a normal cake for a gay couple without having to write any names on it but the baker knows what its for. Does that give the baker the right to not sell the cake? I think most people would agree the baker has to sell the "normal" cake even if the baker knows what its for. Thats just as much "blessing" the marriage as writing "congrats Bob and Steve" on it. Should we implement a "don't ask don't tell" policy for bakeries now? lol. Its a conundrum and proof why religion is sometimes very stupid.
Trying to equate refusal to bake a wedding cake to being the same as refusing all service to gay people is moving the goal post.
"Does that give the baker the right to not sell the cake?"
Sounds like plausible denial on the bakers part. I tend to think Christians of this nature should get out of the bridal wedding baking industry at this point to avoid this nonsense all together.
You get it. They weren't refusing service, just refusing to use their skills to project a message they had a moral issue with. How many cake shops would make a cake that looked like a sacrificed baby that read "hail Satan"?
shareI assume you'll defend an atheist baker who'll serve Christians normal cake but won't bake them a WEDDING cake if the wedding is officiated by a church official or in a church. Because that violates the atheist's beliefs that religion is a scourge. Oh, do only Christian's get to refuse on "moral" grounds. Special rights.
shareNot all atheists believe religion is a scourge, though. If someone came into my "atheist bakery" and wanted something Christian, I'd give it to them.
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