https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11856587/Brothers-paid-Jussie-Smollett-attack-Chicago-street-break-silence.html
https://www.hot97.com/hot-news/the-osundairo-brothers-reenact-the-alleged-staged-hate-attack-against-jussie-smollett
Two hucksters. How much did Fox pay them?
shareProbably not as much as Jussie did.
shareWhy is Fox paying two co-conspirators money? Crime does pay.
shareIf the Appeals Court rules that Jussie did indeed receive a fair trial and that his conviction of faking a hate crime stands as well as the accompanying penalties of finishing out his jail time and paying back the money the city of Chicago spent on the investigation, will your opinion of Jussie change?
shareI just posted this:
https://moviechat.org/bd0000082/Politics/64112b07eefa0c403ce3e5ae/Innocent-man-was-given-400-year-prison-sentence-based-on-one-eyewitness
Every week, I read about at least one innocent person being released from prison after serving a minimum of 20-years. I have no faith in the justice system. Zero.
I also complained about how the little guy was ending up in prison for January 6th, but none of the rich and well-connected organizers and instigators.
I'm disgusted by it all!
Where is your evidence Fox is paying them?
shareObviously, they do anything or money. And they're broke.
shareso you have nothing!
shareDo you work for free? You can't be this stupid!
shareI did see the check Jussie wrote to them.
shareThe check memo clearly says it's payment for physical training and nutrition guidance since he was preparing for a music video. The brothers ran a personal training business! That check isn't any evidence of a crime, just evidence he paid to get in shape.
shareHAHAHAHAHA!! Yeah, usually criminals write the truth on check memos. You're beyond idiotic.
Cash wouldn't leave any evidence, Sherlock. The check backs up Smollet.
shareNope. You're a moron and a PROVEN liar.
shareSmollet couldn't tell the difference between two white guys and the two Nigerian brothers? Did he also imagine them wearing a MAGA hat or yelling this is MAGA country?
Defending Smollet doesn't make any more sense than defending the flat-earthers.
The eyewitness also said white. Their faces were hidden. Smollet never mentioned MAGA. That was made up by the media.
share"Police say Smollett, who is black and gay, told detectives the attackers also yelled he was in "MAGA country'"
"He [Smollett] told the jury on Tuesday that he first called his attackers white then changed the description to 'pale' "
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10284677/Jussie-Smollett-admits-changing-description-attackers-white-pale.html
What witnesses?
The dailymail is garbage. I read the original police reports, indictment, court documents, etc.. The witness info was in one of those docs, but it'll be easier for me to just link you to this since it says basically the same thing:
"Woman Comes Forward As A Witness In Jussie Smollett Attack
She says that she left her building around 12:30 AM to walk her dog when she saw a man who “looked out of place.”
The woman says that the man was pacing between the parking garage and the entrance while smoking.
She continued by describing the man saying he was Caucasian with a beard wearing a blue winter beanie, a blue zip-up sweatshirt with a hood and blue jeans that were too short, exposing “thick, grey hunting socks” with camel-colored dress shoes. She also noticed he had a rope like item hanging from his sweatshirt.
https://hollywoodunlocked.com/woman-comes-forward-as-a-witness-in-jussie-smollett-attack/
What I don't like about this case is that it's based on the testimony of two attackers who have an interest in lying to keep themselves out of prison.
A deal was also made between Smollet and the last prosecutor which was later annulled. Cosby was released from prison because of a similar situation. There is a difference between justice and a vendetta which I believe this is because of the racial aspect. The appeal has to do with Double Jeopardy.
I'm also linking the original police report which shows Smollet never said anything about MAGA country. Smollet said that they yelled, "Empire F__ N__"
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/5726083-Jussie-Smollett-police-report
Most of my links and explanation:
https://moviechat.org/nm0810620/Jussie-Smollett/63cd3d387bd3a66a26560690/Another-Innocent-Black-Man-Found-Guilty
"Chicago police have also released a statement contradicting claims that Smollett identified his attackers' race and heard them shout "MAGA."
https://reason.com/2019/01/29/chicago-police-deny-claim-that-jussie-sm/
I just have reasonable doubt.
"Smollet never mentioned MAGA. That was made up by the media."
"I'm also linking the original police report which shows Smollet never said anything about MAGA country. Smollet said that they yelled, "Empire F__ N__""
At 2:04 of the infamous GMA interview linked below, what does Jussie say?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXLx5OY21Bk
Come on, do you really it's fair to link that interview that presents the facts of the case on this case which should be based on emotionalism? It's hard to defend your point when the person of interest directly says what you say he didn't say.
All kidding aside, I suspect Keelai is trolling us. I mean, this reaches flat-earth level of fact twisting.
No, not trolling in the way I categorize it, but a continuation of a crusade that centers around a few select topics. I already dismantled Keelai in the "Another innocent black man" thread, but only for the benefit of those unaware of the shtick and fallacious manner of argumentation.
shareActually, you didn't. You never presented sound evidence like I had asked:
https://moviechat.org/nm0810620/Jussie-Smollett/63cd3d387bd3a66a26560690/Another-Innocent-Black-Man-Found-Guilty
The interview link above is good. Finally. Kudos!
If you were mugged, would the testimony of the two muggers saying they took your wallet because you owed them money outweigh your testimony as their victim? The two brothers attacked him! Their testimony isn't credible since they attacked him. Notice how they were never charged in exchange for their testimony. That's my issue with their case.
Still your one-note question begging. If I staged a mugging, told them to take some stuff to make it look good, my "muggers" wouldn't be muggers at all.
I noticed you didn't actually answer my question above regarding what he said in the link. For someone acting as if they know the case inside and out, you've made glaring mistakes. First your obliviousness to so much of what Kim Foxx actually said and did, and now accusing the media of creating something that came out of Jussie's mouth on national television. Who, with any interest in this, didn't know about that interview and what was said?!? Or maybe you're just dishonest and hoping the latest person you're debating doesn't know what I do. I guess the latter is worse, but either are enough to strip you of your junior defense attorney badge.
You're saying that the criminals' word outweighs the victim. An old school friend of mine was raped and she told me her own sibling refuse to believe her. Unlike you, I prefer to believe the victim over the criminal. Sorry.
I knew about the interview. I had no interest in watching it. I prefer to read the court documents. Nope, I didn't memorize 100+ pages of legal docs from 3+ years.
I'm not interested in Smollet. Just the legal aspect and implicit bias.
I was referring to this:
1. MAGA isn't in the police report:
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/5726083-Jussie-Smollett-police-report
2. "Chicago police have also released a statement contradicting claims that Smollett identified his attackers' race and heard them shout "MAGA." "We have no record of The MAGA Country comment," said the police in a statement. "We have racial and homophobic comments documented.""
https://reason.com/2019/01/29/chicago-police-deny-claim-that-jussie-sm/
3. Interview section in which Smollet denies saying they wore MAGA hats:
https://youtu.be/pXLx5OY21Bk?t=536
Not defense attorney. Juror #8.
Sure you did. That's why you said "Finally" and "Kudos!" for presenting something you already knew?? If you knew about the interview, why didn't YOU mention the interview to that person then? Shady omission by you? Being that the interview was admissible and part of the case you claim to have studied? The jury saw it, but as the juror you claim to be, you deny it b/c it wasn't on the police report?? He did say that, whether he said that at the moment to police or not. Why wouldn't he tell police what he told Robin Roberts on national tv? Add a Trump connection to juice it up, perhaps? Blame Jussie, not the media.
"Unlike you, I prefer to believe the victim over the criminal. Sorry."
Do you have any other method of argumentation than begging the question? You left out "alleged" -- your usual shtick that I point out over and over, that you have no answer for. The alleged victim was found guilty of staging the "attack" -- and therefore not really a victim at all, but a criminal himself. I don't feel sorry for someone guilty of a hoax that played off the awful climate, with his own personal gain as the goal. As for me, I feel sorry for his siblings, all those he let down, and all the genuine victims past, present, future. A shameful act, and your support is shameful as well.
Based on what you've written around here alone, you'd be the 1st removed from the jury pool, as an armchair activist who's anything but impartial -- like I said long ago.
I knew about the interview but had no interest in watching it. I only watched it to reply to your post. He and cops still deny mention of MAGA.
"Finally & Kudos" for attempting to present an argument using reason. Majority on this site troll or use ad hominem attacks.
Irrelevant. Both Smollet and the witness thought one of the attackers were white. Sounds like honest mistake.
Reasonable doubt. You're like Sister Aloysius in "Doubt". Positive about something occurring when you weren't there. You don't know the difference between an opinion and reality.
Innocent people are found guilty everyday. I believe he's one of them. There is no alleged re: his attackers since they did attack him. Their testimony isn't credible.
You're parsing "MAGA" in a lame attempt to salvage a lost point. Caps were denied, but Jussie said "MAGA country" in the interview. That's a fact, not a media creation. He added Trump to the mix while on tv, but strangely left it out to police? And juror #8 cups ears and closes eyes to evidence that the real jury saw and heard.
And are you serious, Sister Aloysius?? Your entire thesis and its question begging support are opinions stated as fact. And not the expression of a juror, but of a defense attorney.
"Another innocent black man"
"brothers lied"
"racially motivated arrest and verdict"
is how you began.
Pretending to be measured now, after all that certainty, lol? Your "reasonable doubt" is born of nothing but assumed conclusions, evidenceless assertions, ignorance of the actual details (while pretending to have done so much research), and blatant personal bias (as evidenced by your other writings), all while trying to tie to other cases that have no impact on the details of this case.
If you left out opinions stated as fact here, you'd be mute. You just restate Jussie's first assertion, make up a defense without uncovering a thing, while ignoring anything you don't like (like the incredible fortune of that 2am rendezvous and how he fought off 2 hulks). You remind me of Jussie's logic in that same interview:
Smollett replied. "It's like, you know, at first, it was a thing of, like, ‘Listen, if I tell the truth then that's it, 'cause it's the truth.' Then it became a thing of like, ‘Oh, how can you doubt that? Like, how do you — how do you not believe that? It's the truth.'
Brilliant logic. The truth is truth b/c it's the truth, that's it, so how can you not believe it?? "that's it"? No, that's NOT it, Jussie. Hence the need to investigate, where things discovered cast serious doubt on HIS credibility. But he uses the same question begging, circular reasoning that you always do.
Shame on you!
Your entire diatribe is an ad hominem attack. No factual information.
"security guard Anthony Moore said that around the time of the alleged assault, he saw a person on the ground at the end of the block and two men running, one of whom was white. Moore said he told police what he saw, but when he was later questioned by the special prosecutor he felt pressured to change his story. Moore testified that he signed a statement that said the person was “possibly” a Black man, but that he felt “pressure and threatened to put something out there that I didn’t see.”
Third person to say attacker was white. And a witch hunt by pressuring witness to lie!
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/arts/jussie-smollett-testifies-there-was-no-hoax-at-his-trial
What are your thoughts about a witness being pressured to lie? Like I said, prosecutor had an agenda. Not to find the truth. To punish Smollet.
"Uche portrayed the brothers as unreliable, saying their story has changed while Smollett’s has not, and that when police searched their home they found heroin and guns.
Uche also said evidence “will show a tremendous rush to judgment by various police officials,” and he said prosecutors’ claim about paying for a fake attack by check doesn’t make sense.
“At the end of the day they want you to believe Jussie was stupid enough to pay for a hoax with a check but was smart enough to pay (for supplies) with a $100 bill,” he said."
https://apnews.com/article/jussie-smollett-osundairo-trial-9b8decca50a228f67411b0816ad5a88c
Smollet's manager knew he went out for a sandwich. Didn't he text the same to his attacker(s) which would alert them to stand outside his apartment building in order to jump him when he returned? They didn't know his exact return time since they waited for over an hour in -15 degree weather according to you. LOL!
Yes, you're Sister Aloysius. 100% positive when you weren't there and there's no concrete evidence - just testimony from the attackers and conjecture.
I didn't know about the Fox interview until after this thread started. I don't watch or follow Fox. So, yes, Fox paid the bothers for an interview. That doesn't change that Jussie hired them to fake the assault.
shareThese brothers have already proven they'll do anything for money. If Fox wants them to lie, they'll do that for a nice payday, also.
Fox is notorious for lying and spreading propaganda to keep their extremist viewers happy as recent court testimony has proven.
Spin it however you want. You and everyone else knows he staged it. You and truth are mutually exclusive.
shareI read all the court documents and looked at all evidence available online.
I see two homophobes who attacked a guy and lied after they were caught to protect themselves. Also, plenty of white racists upset that Smollet mistakenly thought the attackers were white, but one of the eyewitnesses thought the same thing.
You like to commit slander by calling posters liar without backing it up. Put up or shut up!
As I've called you out many many times, you accused me of making racist posts. I asked you many many times to back it up and you have not, in fact you always slink away and say nothing. That makes you a LIAR. You've had countless times to offer proof of your lie, yet you slink away. You owe me an apology.
In your own words: Put up or shut up, liar.
Annnnnd.... as predicted, you slunk away again, liar.
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