MovieChat Forums > Pete Rose Discussion > Pete Rose Got What He Deserved

Pete Rose Got What He Deserved


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjbNSb9sBBM

The recent Shohei Ohtani/Ippei Mizuhara gambling scandal has reignited a decades old debate: does Pete Rose belong in the Baseball Hall of Fame?

Pete Rose is one of the most controversial and well-known figures in sports history. MLB's all-time Hit King bet on baseball, including betting on his own Cincinnati Reds while he was player-manager and manager of the club. Beyond that, he's lied about his actions for decades, never repented, and potentially committed even more heinous acts beyond the gambling.

This video is why I think he should NEVER be allowed into Cooperstown.

Dowd Report: https://www.thedowdreport.com/report.pdf

Chapters:
0:00 Who is Pete Rose?
1:25 Pete Rose Timeline
8:08 Disproving the Talking Points
14:58 Pete's other Crimes

reply

I HAVE A VIVID MEMORY OF TRADING FOR PETE ROSE IN THE BASEBAL CARD CLUB AT SCHOOL...I WAS SO STOKED...I CAN STILL SEE THE CARD IN MY HEAD.

reply

If you'd a kept that card, it could've been worth $$$$ down the road on PAWN STARS

reply

My expert says it is worth $100,000. Best I can do is 50 bucks.

reply


The irony is that if Rose just admitted everything and went on TV and cried about his weakness and addiction, MLB might have eventually let him back in, and in doing so, opened the door for the 1919 White Sox players, some of whom might have only known about the fix but didn't report it to the club but otherwise didn't affect the outcome of the Series.

Since Pete's on-field performance is totally legitimate, the HOF should induct him after he dies and put his plaque in the men's room, but the MLB ban itself should remain permanent.

reply

Not irony, but probable reality.

reply

It doesn't matter that he bet on baseball. It doesn't matter that he bet on his own team, if he bet that they would win. If he bet against his team, that would be different.

reply

He actually did bet against his team..

Pete had a very distinct pattern of betting where he would only use certain relievers with certain starters on the days he purposely *didn't* bet thus stacking the bullpen for games he bet to win. It's all in the Dowd report.

But let's say he didn't stack his pen or rest certain starters on days he didn't bet and tried to win every single game - it's still completely unacceptable. It would still be human nature to take extraordinary means to win an otherwise "meaningless" mid-summer game when your team is out of playoff contention by using your closer for a 5 or 6 out save making him unavailable for the next game when you have a big stack of your own money on the line and you've been losing big time (he was).

That's why betting, even to win, on a game in which you have a duty to perform is the Queen Mother of all MLB rules, and the only rule literally put on a sign and posted in every single clubhouse in every single level of professional baseball from the Rookie leagues to the Bigs.

Further, Pete was hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt to the bookies - you don't think he didn't take a phone call from the bookies telling him which player they thought "could use a day off" for a reduction in his tab?

If Pete bet only on the baseball games in which he did *not* have a duty to perform, he would have been fined and suspended for a year or several at the most. But he knew that and it begs the question - why did Pete risk so much just to bet on games he *could* affect?

reply

Well done. I'm in 100% agreement. Because of the 1919 scandal, baseball has been unique among professional sports in emphasizing that gambling on pro games is a cardinal sin. It's so well known it's impossible for any pro player to claim ignorance, or to cite nuances in the rules that confused them (an oft-used defense for those testing positive for HGH or steroids). No excuses. Rose was really dumb not getting down on bended knees and begging forgiveness from day one of his outing.

reply

Judging is fun ain't it? It allows us to lower others in our eyes since we are unable to raise ourselves. Pete is a legend, and induction into their little club would not effect that at all. He's probably more famous due to their exclusion. F*** Cooperstown.

reply

Everyone judges. If you think they don't -- Psst! You just judged the OP!

reply

Please point out where I did that. Thanks.

reply

"Judging is fun ain't it? It allows us to lower others in our eyes since we are unable to raise ourselves." You're saying he has to degrade others to feel better about himself. If you honestly don't think that's you being judgmental, you don't know the meaning of the word. And you finished with a judgment against the Baseball Hall of Fame.

BTW, I always gave Rose credit for knowing the rules of the game. He broke them. He wasn't stupid. He knew what would happen.

reply

It's a stand-alone statement that refers to no one specifically. You're wrong.

I make no judgement on whether or not he was properly dealt with, I just pointed out that if anything it magnified his fame.

reply

So you just threw that in there in a response to a specific person, but you're now trying to say it wasn't aimed at him. Good grief. Rewrite it in your mind so you can live with it. But you're proof that everyone judges, including you.

reply

Well it was purposely written as a general statement- it was not an accident. I know that is inconvenient to your accusations but it's a fact. Also I never took a stance on the ubiquitous nature of judgementalism.

reply

Being thick comes easily, doesn't it? It allows us to pretend not to understand the obvious, even when it's explained to us.

That may be in a response to YOU, but I assure you, it's written as a general statement -- it was not an accident.

Yes, I was the one who took the stance on the ubiquitous nature of judgmentalism. But I assure you that my responding to you about being thick, and how it is used in bad faith arguments has nothing to do with you. It was just a general statement apropos of absolutely nothing...despite it being in a response to YOU.

reply

Yes I have sympathy for your plight.

reply

Bless your heart! I'm saying that as a general statement. In fact, any response to you in the future will simply be a general statement. That way I can hide behind it like Hamas hides behind women and children.

reply

I was speaking in the same manner.

reply

*affect

reply

Indeed.

reply

"Rose is MLB's all-time leader in hits (4,256), games played (3,562), at-bats (14,053), singles (3,215) and outs (10,328).

His last game as a player was August 17, 1986, 38 years ago. His first game was April 1963.

Consider the industry of professional sports and sports medicine in the last 38 years, those records still intact today is remarkable.

I don't think athletes in the 1960's were using deer foreskin or whatever it was that Ray Lewis was using for an injury he got.

reply

Ok, what evidence do you have that supports him committing other heinous acts as you put it beyond gambling??

reply


I've heard he liked under-aged girls, but I never read any of the citations because honestly, it didn't affect the game on the field which things like gambling and steroids do. I believe private laws should handle off-field issues.

reply

He slept with a 14 year old, for starters.

reply

He did the crime, he did the time. He is now dead, the debt has been paid.

reply