Will "he" date a transwoman?
Or will he date a normal woman? I bet it will be a normal woman. Making "him" a hypocrite.
shareA trans woman is a normal woman, and there is no need for the scare quotes around HIS proper pronoun. He will date which ever person he wants to, no one has a say in love.
shareNo. A trans woman with a tomahawk wound between his legs is not a real woman.
shareAre you trying to claim that what makes a woman a woman is being born with a uterus?
shareNot all woman are born with a Uterus but only woman have them.
Not all woman can get pregnant but only woman can get pregnant.
Not all woman have working milk ducts but only woman get breast feed children
Not all woman have working overies but only woman are born with ovaries.
Not all woman can have periods but only woman have periods.
The list goes on. See a pattern forming by any chance.
Trans woman can do none of those things because they were born men. A trans woman can have as much surgery as they want but will not take away from the fact they were born a biological male and will still need to go for a prostate exam which is only for men as woman don't have a prostate.
Actually, men have working milk ducts. Men can lactate, men account for a small percentage of breast cancer cases.
So, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complete_androgen_insensitivity_syndrome a woman who was born with XY chromosome pairs, male or female?
I'll give you breast cancer but it is rare in men. But you ignored absolutely everything else in my reply to get the one thing that agrees with your statement.
"Yes, in theory, men can breastfeed. Male breasts have milk ducts, and some mammary tissue. They also have oxytocin and prolactin, the hormones responsible for milk production. There have been reports of men who were able to produce milk through extensive breast and nipple stimulation, but no one knows whether the milk was of the same composition or quality as the kind women produce. Using a pump, or a feeding tube (a small silicone tube attached to a plastic bottle filled with formula) at his breast, he might be able to get a baby to latch on and suckle, but how long it would take to produce even drops of milk is anyone's guess."
Men are men and woman are woman. No amount of surgery will change that until you can change internally as well as externally. Thinking you are a man or woman doesn't make you so.
Actually, I pointed out what is a genetic male who was born without a uterus but was born with a vagina and breasts. Click the link. Most people who have CAIS identify as female, so the question to you is now whether someone who never had plastic surgery but was born with a vagina despite XY chromosomes is male.
shareSo because it happened to one person makes it so?
No. That is called an outlyer not the norm. I've heard of people falling from a plane and surviving but doesn't mean we can fly.
There will always be anomolies but that doesn't make it the norm. You are talking about a statistcal anomaly which happens in all walks of life, hence why we have disabled people.
Listen. You are gonna defend it and more power to you. But you can show as many statistical anomalies in people but that will never get away fromt he fact that there are 2 sexes (men and woman) and having external surgery will not remove what you were born as. That is a fact and cannot be ignored.
No biological born man has ever given birth and no biological born man ever will no matter what you call yourself. The only way a man is giving birth to a baby is if they were born a biological woman.
I refer you to my first post
Not all woman are born with a Uterus but only woman have them.
Not all woman can get pregnant but only woman can get pregnant.
Not all woman have working milk ducts but only woman get breast feed children
Not all woman have working overies but only woman are born with ovaries.
Not all woman can have periods but only woman have periods.
I see you're admitting I have a valid point. Not all people are born cisgender, statistical outliers exist and just because most people die from falling out of a plane doesn't mean all people will die. Just because most people are born cisgender doesn't mean no people are born transgender.
I ask you again, because I set up this trap intentionally. A woman who was born with XY chromosomes and a vagina, but no uterus... is she a woman?
It is not a trap.
You are trying to suggest because at some point in history a woman was born with XY chromosones which is typically male is she still a female.
From your link.
Individuals with complete androgen insensitivity syndrome (grades 6 and 7 on the Quigley scale) are born phenotypically female, without any signs of genital masculinization, despite having a 46,XY karyotyp
So yes they are female based on your own provided link.
By the way it wasn't a trap. You just wanted to point out the outlyer and claim it as normal because at some point it happened.
These facts are irrefutable.
Not all woman are born with a Uterus but only woman have them.
Not all woman can get pregnant but only woman can get pregnant.
Not all woman have working milk ducts but only woman get breast feed children
Not all woman have working overies but only woman are born with ovaries.
Not all woman can have periods but only woman have periods.
If a Trans woman and/or man is infact a woman and/or man why the need for the prefix "trans"
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Oh, why'd you start a new discussion thread with me down there? Your problem is that you're only reacting in this argument, so you don't grasp the nature of the trap. But I get that you want me to attack your "Not all X are Y, but most Y are X" argument. You clearly don't realize it's a logical fallacy.
"I did not mean that Conservatives are generally stupid; I meant, that stupid persons are generally Conservative. I believe that to be so obvious and undeniable a fact that I hardly think any hon. Gentleman will question it. [ John Stuart Mill, in a Parliamentary debate with the Conservative MP, John Pakington, May 31, 1866.]"
Is the most classic example of this fallacy, that being that the intent is to claim a link between one group and another group without any evidence of there being a link. One of my favorite ways of showing this off is
"Not all theists are terrorists, but all terrorists are theists"
which tries the same antic of claiming correlation between terrorism and theism. There are no atheist terrorists, so with your "only women can have X" argument you're ignoring the first part which is that X isn't a determining factor for being a woman. Theism isn't a determining factor for being a terrorist. Conservatism isn't a determining factor for being a stupid person.
Occasionally people are born with tails, but we would never say that humans have tails. It's as simple as that, and unless you disagree with that statement, your entire argument falls apart.
share^^^^ This person gets it.
shareWhat makes a woman a woman is being a girl at birth
sharehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complete_androgen_insensitivity_syndrome
So I go back to CAIS, a woman who was born with XY chromosomes and has no uterus.
Not all woman are born with a Uterus but only woman have them
shareYou're the third person to fall into the trap.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complete_androgen_insensitivity_syndrome
So again, a woman who was born with XY Chromosomes and a vagina, is she a woman?
See above but i'll put it here as well as it is stated in the link you provided.
Individuals with complete androgen insensitivity syndrome (grades 6 and 7 on the Quigley scale) are born phenotypically female, without any signs of genital masculinization, despite having a 46,XY karyotyp
So yes they are still female. Not a very good trap.
Even if you were right which you are not. Stating one outlyer does not make you right as it is not the norm.
A man for example born withour a penis but has XY chromosones is still a man.
A woman born with XY chromosones but has a uterus, womb, eggs, vagina and so on is still a woman.
One abnormality does not take away what you were biological born as.
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A man for example born without a penis but has XY chromosones is still a man.
So a genetic male that was born with a vagina and without a penis is both a man and a woman at the same time? Make up your mind. Are there only 2 sexes or are there more?
You keep trying to claim these are only outliers, but have confused the issue that transgenders are outliers in themselves. No one is saying that this is the majority, this entire argument is over outliers. The trap is working quite well because you're clearly struggling against the implications.
You just admitted a MAN (xy chromosomes) can be a WOMAN.
Think about the implications.
Here is a fun question for you, if someone was born with a Vagina and naturally (meaning no medical intervention) grows a penis, is that person a man or a woman? share
That's called a birth defect, not a gender.
shareSo what gender is it then? Male or Female. Born with a Vagina, has XY Chromosomes.
shareYou tell me, if it's not a birth defect then what gender is it?
shareIt's called intersex.
And i guess that a person that was born intersex should have the "right" to chose it's gender.
But someone that was born as woman is NOT intersex.
Don't conflate intersex with trans.
Are you trying to claim that what makes a woman a woman is being born with a uterus?
Yes.
There's also breasts, estrogen and progesterone, wider hips, XX chromosomes, and less muscle mass than men.
This is basic middle-school and high-school stuff. It's current year, are we really still having this conversation? share
You miss the point that it is entirely possible to be born without a uterus, even without CAIS. Your ignorance is that you know nothing therefore you assume everyone else also knows nothing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%BCllerian_agenesis
Exceptions do not change the rule, that's why they're called "exceptions". This is yet another basic middle-school concept.
Those abnormalities you keep linking to, they are literally just that: abnormalities. You can either continue playing dense and use mental gymnastics to waste time, or you can wake up and realize that it's current year and that you're STILL having this conversation.
In a causal conversation, using deductive reasoning, we would classify people as male or female based on how many boxes they tick in either column (sex organs, hormones, chromosomes, etc), for convenience. I’d imagine a more profesional conversation among experts would be more complicated.
Back to casual conversation, for example, if someone ticks more boxes in the male column, that person is considered male. Even if the person is still missing a few boxes, and/or happens to tick a few boxes in the female column, the person may still be considered male, but with defects, no more, no less.
If someone ticks 50% or less of the traits that make a male or female, that’s when we’d get into the “undefined” labels.
These “undefined” people, whether they’re hermaphrodites or something else, are rare and are no reason for us to throw out how we define gender, let alone assume there’s more than two genders.
"A trans woman is a normal woman"
Then why the need for the "trans" qualifier? Like it or not, it's abnormal to think you were born in the wrong body.
There is no need for the trans qualifier, cis women are normal women too.
shareSo why did you use the "trans" qualifier then? Is it normal to think you were born in the wrong body or is it abnormal?
shareFor the same reason people use the race qualifier, the sexual orientation qualifier, the age qualifier, or any other qualifier. Because qualifiers describe a person. If we were talking about black people would your argument be
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"A black woman is a normal woman"
Then why the need for the "black " qualifier? Like it or not, it's abnormal to be born black.
Is it normal to think you were born in the wrong body or is it abnormal?
share"Conforming to a type, standard, or regular pattern : characterized by that which is considered usual, typical, or routine." It's normal for people to be born trans, just as it is normal for people to be born black, to be born with blue eyes, to have red hair. It's all perfectly normal.
shareFalse.
shareSo being born brainless is normal too? Then congrats, you are normal.
sharecrickets
share"He" is a she and always will be.
share"She" is a He, she was born a He and will die a He.
shareYou don't even know how wrong you are. If some day she's exhumed and her remains are analyzed, they will be determined to be a she.
shareAre you that stupid?
She was born a she and she will die a she. If someone that doesn't know her would exhume her after 7 years and analyze the body they will determine that she is a she. Period.
A trans woman is a man.
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