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Toxic Masculinity has created Transgender Culture

posted 4 years ago by brodee (467)
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Let's face facts, our society is toxic on "femboys" and "tomgirls," much of the hate against the "gay lifestyle" was from the portrayal of gay men as being feminine. We know that the brains of gay individuals resemble those of straight individuals of the opposite sex, just like "transgender brains" claim the same thing.

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/brains-of-gay-people-resemble-those-of-straight-people-of-opposite-sex

We also know that people who are transgender are significantly more likely to be homosexual or bisexual than the general population.

https://www.lgbtmap.org/file/A%20Closer%20Look%20Bisexual%20Transgender.pdf

What becomes clear is that "Gender" is what society tells people who act in a certain way should be. Transgenders literally are destroying the LGB community by perpetuating these toxic stereotypes about how people who act in a particular way need to change their sex to match their mind. As we saw, homosexual brains match the sexed brain of a straight person (which is what transgenders are claiming is an indication of being transgender).

Take a look here, we have males whose penis were cut off at birth to turn them into girls. According to transgender ideology all of these boys should declare themselves as boys but surprisingly only 57% of them did, as the research noted "All 16 subjects had moderate-to-marked interests and attitudes that were considered typical of males." Hence we get to the root of the matter... girls cannot play with boy toys.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/14736925/

We were particularly interested in investigating the kind of situation described by a colleague in which he observed a young boy happily playing with a toy racing car until the helmet of the race car driver fell off, revealing a female with blonde hair. The boy then dropped the car like a "hot potato" (D. B. Garter, personal communication, April 1987). Although researchers have shown that children avoid playing with sex-inappropriate toys (e.g., Frey & Ruble, 1992; Hartup, Moore, & Sager, 1963), the question remains whether gender labels are so powerful that they alter children's desire for unfamiliar and very attractive toys.

http://people.uncw.edu/hungerforda/Infancy/PDF/Children's%20gender-based%20reasoning%20about%20toys.pdf

We train children from birth to respect these gender boundaries and now they're changing their sex rather than accept these gender boundaries are sexist remnants from ages past. Transgenders are inherently sexists, they're people who are fighting to maintain the lies of Masculinism, that women are born to like certain things and that they cannot rise above it. Pink aversion, boys can't have long hair... all of this nonsense is what created Transgender Culture, we forced it upon our children and because we have boys who like playing with dolls those boys assume they must be girls.

[–] tom8 (3119) 4 years ago

so what you are saying is?

[–] brodee (467) 4 years ago

We train children from birth to respect these gender boundaries and now they're changing their sex rather than accept these gender boundaries are sexist remnants from ages past.

Effectively, all this "gender" stuff is just sex stereotypes that we teach our children.

[–] Dainty (2072) 4 years ago

You are completely right, brodee.

[–] Moonglum9 (11340) 4 years ago

Why that’s absolute bosh from beginning to end!

[–] brodee (467) 4 years ago

Then prove so, words are cheap.

[–] Moonglum9 (11340) 4 years ago

I didn’t actually waste my time reading that, I just was returning the favor for you trying to argue with me in another thread. So I say your whole post is STICKLEFIDS!

[–] kungfulord (957) 4 years ago

You MTF are so complex, i miss the old times when a gay was some one who like to be nail in the ass by other dude and that is it, today you people are so annoying wih all your letters and debates and names and pronouns

Only exist two sex male and female if you dont feel atract to people of the other sex them you are gay and that is it stop inventing all this weird shit like pansexual, gender fluid, trans bi trans, asexual, multisexual etc, etc, etc

Is not like human beings have hundreds of sexual organs to have so many gender's and shit

[–] ducksoup (3933) 4 years ago

Hundreds of sexual organs may sound fantastic (in one sense or another), but believe me, it's (probably) no picnic!

[–] brodee (467) 4 years ago

Only exist two sex male and female if you dont feel atract to people of the other sex them you are gay and that is it stop inventing all this weird shit like pansexual, gender fluid, trans bi trans, asexual, multisexual etc, etc, etc

Wait, so if you feel attraction to people of the other sex and also feel attraction to people of the same sex then you're straight? Or maybe that person might be bisexual.

What if you don't feel attraction to people of the other sex and also don't feel attraction to people of the same sex, are you still gay then? Or maybe that person might be asexual.

Pansexual is more of an insult against LGB, calling lesbians, gays, and bisexuals transphobic for not respecting the gender identity of transsexuals. Saying people aren't attracted to sex organs, but brains... so pansexual is what the trans-supporting LGBs call themselves in protest against the LGBs who refuse to have sex with transgenders.

[–] kungfulord (957) 4 years ago

You know, im going to be honest i tough in that also and i give you that, people can also be bisexual and asexual even when asexual sound more like an hormonal problem or a product of a trauma because don't feel sexual atraction at all is unlikely for humans maybe those people just need some kind of therapy or medical attention. My coment was more a critic about this intention to expand human biology beyond his limitations and reality dude's who are trans wnat to be call woman and others just want to be call trans is ridiculous you just can't keep up with all this gender and pronouns, like gender fluid ¿is not that just a fancy word for bisexual?

[–] brodee (467) 4 years ago

I can agree that the appropriation of "gender" by the transgender community has made things rather confusing. The transgender community also has a tendency to break science to defend against bigotry, such as even redefining sex. Sex is the role you have in sexual reproduction and nothing more, complicating matters by bringing up infertile XXY combinations does not create a new sex, but it does reveal we need a "no-sex" assignment. Complete androgen insensitivity syndrome creates a genetic male with a vagina, but no uterus. Exceptions don't prove that "gender identity" exists, they only reveal our definition needs to be tuned to account for them.

Gender, as the transgender community puts it, is what sex do you think you fit in with the most which naturally gets us an iota of genders (since, unlike sex and sexual orientation, "gender identity" doesn't actually exist as a measurable concept.)

Gender identity would be classified by hazy distinctions like "Well I like wearing dresses so I'm a girl, but I like football so I'm a boy, and well I don't really feel like I can be myself around girls or boys so I'm a martian." Gender fluid and gender neutral both basically do the same thing, rely on sex stereotypes to insist that because they don't conform to societal expectations they're something else entirely.

Sexual fluidity is an interesting topic, as it shows some people's sexual orientation can change over time. The way we know this exists is because people can objectively measure response to sexual imagery and record how, over the span of many years, this response changes. We do similar tests for pedophilia, showing that you cannot rehabilitate a pedophile. The point is, there is no objective way to measure a "gender identity", simply because it doesn't exist.

[–] Geiri (864) 4 years ago

Be careful not to confuse all gay people with the activist types. There are plenty of us who don't buy into the current gender theory, and plenty of us who think it was a mistake to add all those new groups to what used to be gay rights organizations. My local one actually added "BDSM-sexuality", so now it is being flooded with heterosexual people. Not that I have a problem with straight people but it is important to have gay and lesbian themed places and events. Its sad that they are being erased.

You can't even have a men only theme anymore at the clubs, it has now switched to anyone who identifies as a male. So we have to let in women who think they are gay men. Its ridiculous. Gay men are attracted to actual men, not women. A skin sock grown from your arm isn't a real penis.

[–] kungfulord (957) 4 years ago

Sure i totally see how the current situation also can affect Gay people and understand what you say about the nessecity of have places and events for male gay only

The addition of BDSM in the same category of gay and lesbian is ridiculous and show this is more about politics than peoples rights because only an ignorant person would put a fetish in the same category as a sexual orientation and that is one of my many problems the type of doors we can be open on the name of tolerance for example a lot of pedophile rights activist groups are being for years trying to attach themself to LGBT movements around the world and for interviews and articles i have read in a lot of country are organized political party of pedophiles who present themself as the modern equivalent of gay people in the 50's that is as victim of a society wich doesn't understand them, something similar happen with pro-bestiality activist, is obviuos they see the current situation of the LGBT movement as the only chance they have to earn some space and that is dangerous

[–] McQualude (4231) 4 years ago

Blase society, a well-known phenomenon for over a century. People become over stimulated while simultaneously bored and act out in weird ways. Our ever-increasing population, multiplication of stimuli, and rapid communicating, is leading to a society of mentally ill citizens, it will get worse. People need something real to occupy their time.

[–] ChipDouglas (1607) 4 years ago

do you have a source where I can read about blase society?

[–] McQualude (4231) 4 years ago

Georg Simmel, The Metropolis and Mental Life

[–] ProgsReturn (2232) 4 years ago

"Transgenders literally are destroying the LGB community by perpetuating these toxic stereotypes "
So nothing to do with toxic masculinity at all. Quite the opposite, in fact.

[–] brodee (467) 4 years ago

Toxic Masculinity exists purely because society forces stereotypes upon people, "you are a boy, you need to have short hair." The people who make fun of boys who like having long hair are toxic masculinity.

Transwomen, rather than accepting these are mere stereotypes, often use them in justification for why they're the opposite sex. I enjoy wearing makeup, thus I must be a girl. I enjoy playing with dolls, thus I must be a girl. The reality is that transwomen simply do not feel comfortable being themselves because society deems if you're a boy you MUST behave in a particular manner.

That, is toxic masculinity.

[–] ProgsReturn (2232) 4 years ago

Meanwhile, in the world of 'not toxic at all feminism' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zH_ZryBfCtU

[–] moviechatterer (16326) 4 years ago

the name of the channel says more than the lady in the video

[–] asom (6894) 4 years ago

I wore long hair for a loooong time and no one insisted to cut it. And when my boss told me "you need to cut your hair short" i just said "NO" and that was all.

And I didn't turn gay or transgender ...

[–] brodee (467) 4 years ago

A study of one is no better than a study of none. You're not the only person in the world, transgenders are people who felt bullied and betrayed into changing who they physically are to accommodate who society believes they should be.

You probably wouldn't recognize a transgender if you saw one, they generally fit in far better than the stereotypical "man in a wig" that your kind makes fun of and thus insists they get a more feminine body to match.

[–] asom (6894) 4 years ago

"felt bullied and betrayed into changing who they physically are to accommodate who society believes they should be."

Several problems with this:
1 so society bullied some men into changing who they physically are? Makes no sense ... society doesn't bully people to be who they are.
2 so are you saying that being transgender is only due to society pressure? NOt to some internal missalignemnt body-mind? Then the best way to solve it would be not to modify you body but to go to therapy ...

[–] Redsfan001 (6218) 4 years ago

"Toxic masculinity" has kept nations, tribes and families safe from predators for eons.

If certain types of masculinity (competition, virility, protector, hunter, stoicism) are deemed toxic...the nation, tribe and family becomes weak.

Weakness invites attack.

If any country does not train it's young boys to become men, all is lost in that country within a generation.

[–] CheekyMonkey (584) 4 years ago

So true

[–] brodee (467) 4 years ago

Toxic masculinity is the bullying of people who do not conform to the societal image of what it is to be male. Exactly how does bullying keep nations, tribes, and families safe? Bullying the weak kid in school doesn't make him stronger, it makes the bully feel stronger but the weak kid doesn't magically get stronger just because he's being bullied.

No, it is unity that has kept nations, tribes and families safe from predators for eons. The ability to look past our differences and unite together towards a common goal. Survival. You're saying that attacking those who are different than you makes us stronger, but that only makes us weaker because then there will be fewer people who want to work with us.

[–] Redsfan001 (6218) 4 years ago

A bully does not always win. Bullies are threats. A man has to deal with threats. What does he do? A boy who decides to fight a bully might not win, but will win the respect of his peer group, and most likely the bully.

Testosterone will always create bullies. Social engineering will not stop biology. Better to teach young men to stand up for themselves, it will do them good later in life.

[–] brodee (467) 4 years ago

You didn't answer the question, how does bullying keep nations, tribes and families safe from predators?

By the way, girls can be the absolute worst bullies, bullying has nothing to do with testosterone.

[–] Redsfan001 (6218) 4 years ago

I think I did.

Bullies are threats.

Bullies teach young boys to stand up to threats

A nation needs to protect themselves from threats.

[–] brodee (467) 4 years ago

A nation needs to protect itself against other nations saying, "Your mother only has one nipple?" Oh, so "threat" is in the term of anything that stands in your way... so I guess playing videogames teaches boys to stand up to threats.

I'm sorry, I'm having a hard time understanding how a bunch of childish insults and kids fighting is supposed to create the disciplined warfighters who protect this nation so that people like you can live in comfort while they stand on the wall and protect you from the much harsher reality that is out there.

[–] Redsfan001 (6218) 4 years ago

I will try to help you understand.

Are you are female, correct?

A young boy needs to get into a few fights, it's a good learning experience, gives him some self confidence and self respect.

In Westerns "Thems fighting words!" means something.

I'm not saying throw down with every insult, but a warning should be given.

Dealing with real life bullies is a part of growing up.

[–] brodee (467) 4 years ago

You keep missing the point, but given you never served in the army it's understandable that you don't see the difference between the brave men defending our nation and... you.

None of what you are saying makes good soldiers, none of what you're saying does anything beneficial for society. The only reason you're free to say what you say is because more mature men are brave enough to fight real enemies to democracy. A soldier that punches his CO in the face for calling him names is quickly kicked out of the army, you wouldn't last a day.

[–] Redsfan001 (6218) 4 years ago

You did read a word I wrote, did you?

[–] McQualude (4231) 4 years ago

You watch too much cheap television.

[–] CheekyMonkey (584) 4 years ago

Nah... This tranny stuff is just degeneracy and gayness...

Nothing toxic about masculinity, or femininity. Look at the world pre-20th century. Before both the Bolshevik and Liberal support for gays. Very clear gender roles, traditional notions of men and women (highly anti-homosexuality) no tranny story hour, no tranny military, no "transitions" of children.

It's progressivism in it's either the liberal or marxist sense that feeds this degeneracy from a political point of view and it is moral decay, away from religion and traditional values, that fuels it from the cultural point of view.

Trannies aren't made because fathers told their sons to man up, or to embrace tradition. Trannies aren't made because mothers taught their daughters to be well behaved, refined and to embrace tradition.

Trannies are created in the decay of contemporary society and by explicit political and economic support for ideological and political reasons. There are institutions funded by committed ideologues for this express purpose. It is enshrined in law and pushed by the state. It's not an emergent, spontaneous condition... Just look at who funds tranny research, tranny academia, tranny changes in laws. Look at who agitates for changes in society to trannify society. This has been a century in the making.

Trannies are made from collapsing traditional hierarchies, moving away from traditional roles and beliefs, embracing degeneracy, hedonism and sexual liberation.

It doesn't emerge because of masculinity. It emerges from the same forces that created feminism, gay rights and such. It's just that now that there is a rift in oppression olympics, that tranny is pit against gay.

Delusional OP.

[–] brodee (467) 4 years ago

I think you mean your exposure to LGBT has increased since pre-20th century. Of course there were very clear gender stereotypes and laws against people defying those gender stereotypes. It was illegal for a woman to wear pants in the past, and yes we had laws against homosexuality. But despite all those fathers telling their sons to "man up" and mothers training their daughters to be "refined," people desire freedom and we have historical evidence of women who wore pants, who pretended to be men, and of men who wore dresses and pretended to be women.

If anything, the laws only made women be more likely to be "transgender" because to get employed they had to be a man, to be respected they had to be a man. How is this any differently from what is happening now, with women declaring they're men because they don't fit the stereotypical idea of a modern woman?

Hilariously, there are also regressive feminists who are obsessed with progressivism and seek to eliminate the choice a woman has to be a stay at home parent. These same regressives are usually the ones who also support transidentifying ideology, attacking other women simply for wanting those traditional values, for wanting more than to compete with the men.

Gender Critical feminism is a rebirth of feminism from the correct aspect it should be applied, ending gender inequality at the source, rather than turning this into a "men are bad, women are good" fight. False feminists want to remove rights from women, but Gender Critical feminism just wants to clear the stereotypes that persist about both men and women from a societal standpoint. If a man wearing a dress went into the men's bathroom, what do you imagine would happen? Usually the same thing that happens if he went into the woman's bathroom... harassment.

As I stated before, the traditional laws that first outlawed cross dressing didn't do much to stop it... the harassment doesn't stop it either.

[–] CheekyMonkey (584) 4 years ago

Wearing trousers?

People are chemically castrating children, cutting off full penises and breasts and creating new holes in their bodies... And parading these kids on stage to affirm their sexuality...

You have no clue of the degeneracy involved...

[–] brodee (467) 4 years ago

If you honestly want to stop child genital mutilation, you need to address what is causing it, people who keep insisting that if you like playing with dolls then you're a girl. Of course a child is going to choose to get surgery so he can keep playing with his favorite dolls rather than realize that it is society that is wrong, you can play with dolls if you're a boy, you don't have to change to be a girl.

Society always had femboys and tomgirls... no matter how much you deny it, they were always there. The problem we face now is that it is easier for people like you to accept a transgender child than it is for you to accept a femboy. You'll feel the need to beat the fem out of the boy or the tom out of the girl... but once they've transitioned they're safe from your harassment.

[–] CheekyMonkey (584) 4 years ago

We don't have a tranny problem in my community. But then again, it's very traditional.

I'm old enough to remember when all of this was about gays wanting to marry in peace. Now it's about having to affirm Tranny identity in children and fund this ideology in schools and in government.

Eventually your ilk will normalise pedos, just as it was tried with NAMBLA and PIE in the past. Probably on the pretext of allowing kids to affirm their sexual identities. Maybe that will fly, maybe it won't. It's clear there are no actual moral grounds involved, just nods to "new left" opression olympics, or progressive ideology.

[–] brodee (467) 4 years ago

I find it odd that you clearly agree with me on how transgenders represent a problem in society, yet seem to believe that fixing that problem requires doing what has been proven not to work. You do realize that homosexuals are born into traditional families all the time, right? Centuries of tradition did nothing to wipe out homosexuality, and if you knew your community members you'd probably find a few are homosexual.

There are undeniable links between transgenderism and homosexuality, the stereotypical "butch lesbian" and "feminine gay" as well as how brain scans show these similarities. I shared above how transgendered people are more likely to be homosexual or bisexual than the general population.

What creates transgendered individuals is the inability to be who they are without being judged for not conforming to sex stereotypes. Most can pass well enough to be ignored once they changed sexes, but it would be much healthier for everyone if no one needed to change sexes.

[–] Geiri (864) 4 years ago

You keep mixing together homosexuality and transgenderism. They have nothing to do with each other.

[–] bigbadwolf666 (4707) 4 years ago

wtf so you gotta get surgery cuz you play wit dolls?
what if, you wanna fk the dolls? You gotta b a homo?

My cousin used to want to make want to play with dolls and make me kiss it and shit. I felt weird but played along just to satisfy her. Does that mean I have to get a sex change now?

[–] asom (6894) 4 years ago

Yup, you're trans, cut off your dick. NOW!!!

[–] brodee (467) 4 years ago

Why is it easier to insist "But I am an exception to your rule" instead of accepting that many people who do become transgender originally stemmed from the cultural malaise of these sex based stereotypes?

It's like saying "I did hard heroin and grew up in the slums, and I didn't become a gangster." Exceptions prove nothing, the fact is that slums and drug use are both key components to gangs, just as sex stereotyping toys is a key component to trans identity.

[–] bigbadwolf666 (4707) 4 years ago

Agree!

Well Said!

[–] Zinger (2441) 4 years ago

No.

If you look at male to female, they're always men who have over sexualised the idea of what femininity is.

Meanwhile if you look at female to male, it's always women who despise themselves and everything connected with femininity.

One is a fetish, the other is a dysphoria. Both are a consequence of misogyny.

[–] NitroHangover (1143) 4 years ago

Both are a consequence of mental illness, and everything that you read into their respective psychologies beyond that basic truth, is a reflection of your own issues.

[–] Zinger (2441) 4 years ago

No, it isn't. That's the interpretation of a child.

Both are a cultural malaise which manifests and exists independent of mental illness.

[–] NitroHangover (1143) 4 years ago

Pffffffffff, I like how you deleted half your original post, lol. I guess there's nothing for me to respond to now, since you realized it was horsesh!t and deleted it. All you've left is essentially "No, I'm right and YOU'RE wrong!"

[–] Zinger (2441) 4 years ago

Also the interpretation of a child.

[–] brodee (467) 4 years ago

A mental illness caused by a cultural malaise. I think the issue you have is that you assume everyone who doesn't label transgenderism a mental illness is defending it, when we're really proponents against it who want to address the issues that cause it.

[–] brodee (467) 4 years ago

Autogynephilia is certainly the case for some MTF transgenders, and I would agree that most FTM transgenders hate the roles society assigns them as women and thus change their sex to become more accepted in this society. When you honestly think about it, most FTM transgenders are highly accepted and it is MTF transgenders that always get the scandals. I've actually had conversations with trans-identifying men who insisted they were empowering feminism by becoming women since they retain their male privilege and can therefore help other women break through the glass ceiling.

At the end of the day, we'll find that misogyny and misandry both play a role in the creation of trans-identifying individuals. Society itself is toxic to non-conformists and such people threaten to destabilize the patriarchy as a whole.