No means no, but you have to say "no" before that even matters. It would be one thing if Noth was pulling a Cosby and drugging the women, but if they aren't unconscious they can as Nancy Reagan said, "just say no".
But somehow the woke warriors want to change the rules, and sadly it isn't even to the point that if the guy had the woman sign a contract prior to sex that said she was a willing participant, under the woke warriors rule the woman only signed the contract because she was afraid, the man was clearly exuding such toxic masculinity that the defenseless woman was too afraid to not sign the contract.
In short, this shit is going to keep happening whether men get women to agree in writing or not. The only possibility for some real change would require prosecutors to start filing obstruction of justice charges against any woman that waits more than day to make a rape allegation. Clearly if a woman is really the victim of a rape, then the rapist would remain a threat until he was arrested and that can only happen if the victim files a police report. If a victim fails to do that she is really enabling the rapist to rape another woman.
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TinaKimo (888)
3 years ago
The only possibility for some real change would require prosecutors to start filing obstruction of justice charges against any woman that waits more than day to make a rape allegation. Clearly if a woman is really the victim of a rape, then the rapist would remain a threat until he was arrested and that can only happen if the victim files a police report. If a victim fails to do that she is really enabling the rapist to rape another woman.
Bingo!!!
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Heisenberg (6730)
3 years ago
I don't see that as a fair solution.
There are too many obvious reasons for a victim to prefer to keep quiet for a while or forever. But I agree that a contract would be seen as null.
What is clear is that the way the system is now DOES NOT WORK and needs new laws.
It is medieval and unfair to all victims (of rape or of false accusations or extortion).
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[deleted]
3 years ago
Their is no fair solution and never will be. The only compromise solution that protects both sides would be to bring back a statute of limitations for claims of rape, and add an additional statute of limitation on even filing a police reports that is very short. Then add a new law for anyone bringing claims outside that timeframe as committing criminal slander and libel against whoever they are now claiming to be a rapist. That would put a stop to what are often women with regret or women seeking to blackmail and extort money. The odd thing in these cases of I was raped but too afraid to say anything is that they never seem to be accusations against any poor guys, the only seem to be celebrities or rich people. It makes it very suspicious as to the validity of the claims.
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Heisenberg (6730)
3 years ago
1 I am assuming only the celebrity cases are reported on the news, but there is more less famous cases.
2 Shortening the timeframe is the wrong compromise. There will be even MORE cases of women rushing to report dubious cases just because they don't want to miss the "opportunity". And a real victim cannot be put on a schedule just to prevent false accusators.
3 I think the reality here is that newspapers and public speeches are to blame, and all those that base any of their decisions on such platforms should be stopped or punished: you cannot fire me because somebody wrote somewhere something about me. Without even letting me defend myself.
Till I am officially CONDEMNED by a court, you should have no right to discriminate me.
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[deleted]
3 years ago
The problem is most states are "at will" states where you don't need any reason to fire someone, so long as it isn't based on race, religion, sexual orientation, age or gender... Most every man cancelled because some groupie had regrets would not be protected from termination... But ignoring that, you have studios putting up million of dollars to make a movie and they simply can't risk taking a chance when the first puff of smoke from a possible fire pops up to blemish a star in their movie. Even if 9 times out of 10 the know the accusations will go nowhere, they still can't risk that 10% chance of it turning into a Cosby that tanks the whole movie.
Maybe the only way for this crap to end is for the men accused to start filing slander and libel lawsuits against these women and suing them into obscurity. It is one thing for a woman to think she'll make some easy money from making baseless claims, but it is another if they know the men are going to go nuclear on them and sue them until they are bankrupt.
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Heisenberg (6730)
3 years ago
I think that is also the wrong solution.
1 many of these accuser have nothing to lose, but a one shot opportunity to get rich. That threat will not stop 'em.
2 having nothing, how could they compensate the damage of millions they create immediatelly with any accusation? That trial will recoup nothing from them.
3 the whole mechanic could be used against real victims by powerful people, who would be even more scared to report the rape fearing such retorts.
It's clear these cases are operating in a grey area of difficult legislation.
If a written consensual agreement is not enough, my only solution is to have a camera there (hidden or not) filming everything, so there is an objective proof of what happened.
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[deleted]
3 years ago
Problem is that in some states if you have a camera that only the guy knows about it would be breaking the law in some states as some would require that both parties knew they were being recorded.
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Heisenberg (6730)
3 years ago
For what purposes?
This is inside his private residence and the video is for private use only.
But even in the most obtuse legislation, if you just put a sign at the entrance that reads "video recorded area for security reasons" the problem is solved.
That sounds like a good way to defend everybody to me.
And it's usefull against robberies.
In this case, you just invited yourself the thief in.
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[deleted]
3 years ago
You might avoid some state laws with that sign.... Of course you do have one last problem, suppose your celebrity goes to a club and meet some young girl, clearly the young girl is passing herself off as an adult and we can assume use an ID to get into the club... Now your poor unfortunate dude picks up this young hottie and goes home to bang her... no allegations of rape, and he films the whole shooting match to protect himself.
A week later she regrets it all and claims she was raped. He pulls out his video and hands it to the police to show that she was not only willing but also seemed to be enjoying the events. He smiles thinking, fuck that bitch, I just proved you are a liar. Of course she thing pull out her real ID which shows she was actually 17 years old. He's lucky though because the state has the age of consent at 16... of course the cops just hand the tape over to the FBI that then prosecute him for kiddie porn. And it doesn't matter if he believed she was 18, 21 or 31... he would still be fucked.
There are problems with videos, and some of them are far worse than an allegation of rape by some regretful ho.
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Heisenberg (6730)
3 years ago
Yeah. Whatever.
In your "very realistic" example, the celebrity should check the id of such girl. Which should be quite the routine before having sex with a young looking stranger anyway.
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[deleted]
3 years ago
You could assume he did check the ID, but if she had fake ID no matte how official it looked he would still be guilty of kiddie porn. Some crimes don't require intent and it doesn't matter if you didn't intend to break the law, the simple fact that you videos yourself fucking a girl that you thought was and adult but who turns out to be underage would still get you fucked by the courts.
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Heisenberg (6730)
3 years ago
Ok, nothing is perfect.
My solution works for 99% of doubtful these 10 years after metoo accusations, except for the case you have described (which has never be seen).
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sslssg (34223)
3 years ago
The only possibility for some real change would require prosecutors to start filing obstruction of justice charges against any woman that waits more than day to make a rape allegation. Clearly if a woman is really the victim of a rape, then the rapist would remain a threat until he was arrested and that can only happen if the victim files a police report. If a victim fails to do that she is really enabling the rapist to rape another woman.
No.
No.
No.
and
NO.
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