National Socialism WAS Socialism | Rethinking WW2 History
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlXqFgqOviw
Hitler's Socialism | Destroying the Denialist Counter Arguments
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCkyWBPaTC8
Undisputed, Hitler and the socialist Nazis were evil murderers (Holocaust).
A screenshot from the first video explains the terms "left" and "right".
Sorry, but many questions were asked in the other threads.
A simple categorization of right (blue) and left (red).
https://i.postimg.cc/2jB0Jd0q/Links-und-Rechts.jpg
"Right" and "left" also depends on which side you look from in the parliament.
How is Stalin not under communism? He claimed it, and followed it.
shareStalin claimed it, but never followed it.
And the Soviet Union never reached or lived Communism.
The people wanted Communism and got one of the worst dictatorships.
Stalin only pursued his own position of power and his own well-being.
Only commies and retards believe that. The state owned everything. End of story. That's the brilliant philosophy of communism. A fricken production based economy that barely worked in the industrial era and is completely irrelevant now. It's so stupid, that even China uses a mixed economy.
shareIt's not about belief, it's about facts.
I'm neither a communist nor retarded.
After I've enjoyed some of your ignorance and insults (here and on other boards-also towards others), just a well-meant advice:
Get off your high horse, get more knowledge and learn to discuss factually.
And the Soviet Union never reached or lived Communism.
The people wanted Communism and got one of the worst dictatorships.
It's a fact that the Soviet Union never really practiced communism.
As said, the people wanted Communism and got one of the worst dictatorships.
The people did NOT want a dictatorship.
In the philosophy of communism there's no "blatant corruption".
Communism is an idealistic fantasy that fails along the way because of human character. Yah, in large part because of growing corruption.
And nepotism is also flourishing.
The Author of those videos is correct, however, that graph is not the best example to use.
sharePerhaps the screenshot "graph" is confusing, but it shows exactly what it was.
The best warning, in my opinion.
The world isn't just black or white, and rarely just blue or red.
After all this trolling and joking on Hitler's (!) board, it seems that many aren't aware of the danger...the danger of seductive ideologies.
Neither Stalin nor Hitler were clowns.
Two socialist dictators, responsible for the death of millions!
"The left" was so desperate and ashamed of associating Fascism/Nazism on the same side as communism that they made sure that it went down in history books as a right-wing ideology at the end of ww2 (The Big Lie).
They have invented their own version of the spectrum and quadrant-graphs.
Their best idiotic logic is that if Hitler fought/destroyed Communists, than he must be on the right side of the spectrum or to use an oxymoron like βstate-capitalism.β lol
Agreed.
But sorry, the confusion about the definition "left" and "right" exists across all political colours. And it is confusing!
No one (except some weirdos) wants to be identified with Hitler.
It's time to give up these terms (left-right) because they don't serve any purpose.
What doesn't change the fact that the Nazis were socialists...murderous socialists.
No one (except some weirdos) wants to be identified with Hitler.
It's time to give up these terms (left-right) because they don't serve any purpose.
Ok ok, you're right.
Hmmm, should I keep using the word "right"?
Need to think about that one. βΊ
Ok, these terms serve some purposes.
I'll change to:
These terms (left-right) don't serve any GOOD purposes.
Ha! π€β
well if a far right extremist libertarian on youtube says its true it must be true! he is so extreme Tik has said all police, teachers, military and courts should even be fully private.
He also has said these increible words of wisdom showing his deep understanding of political science.
Democracy is People Power. Except the People are the Public and the Public is the State. So Democracy is State Power. North Korea is a Democracy, because the State is in power. This is why the Founding Fathers knew that democracy was bad and called their government a Republic. Also, I explained all this in the video".
kay, let's assume that a free market can only work with State control. This means we're no longer able to talk to each other, since the State has not sanctioned our conversation (state control of the means of production - we are producing words). The fact that we're able to talk without some commissar giving us permission to do so, is a testament to the fact that humans act on their own free will without the need for guidance from some central organized society - the State. Similarly, property is myself, whatever I own, the money in my pocket etc. I don't need a State to sanction that I have things. I have things because I create or trade with other individuals for things. Don't need a State for that. You list a corporation or a court doing things, and then proceed to call them 'private'. Private means 'individual', while hierarchies of society (nations, unions, syndicates, corporations, States, governments etc) are 'public' https://youtu.be/ksAqr4lLA_Y So, as you correctly point out - Public States like corporations and courts do rule against the individual on a daily basis. We call this rule by central body 'socialism'. You're literally arguing against your own side. Individual control is called 'capitalism'. A state does not enforce that I get paid if I work for someone else. If a business decides not to pay me, I don't turn up to work the next day. In fact, nobody will turn up to work for someone who doesn't pay, and the business will soon go out of business. We work because the agreement between individuals says - you do this for me, and I'll do this for you. We don't need a State to enforce that - it happen naturally (by "Nature" to use Marx's terms). A State wants monopoly control so that individuals do not have the ability to make such trades, and are under total control by the States, corporations, monopolies etc. I am a capitalist, which is why I'm against corporations, states, monopolies. I am a capitalist, therefore I'm for the individual worker, the self-employed worker, the small business owner, the contractor, the gig economy, the private individual (no matter their skin colour or their gender). Socialists on the other hand are for monopolies, corporations, states, their race, their gender etc, against other societies, states, races and genders. Saying 2+2=4 is not ideological. What I'm saying is not ideological. I'm just stating facts. Denying that you or I are individuals, denying that the words we use have meaning, denying that logic and reason are logical or reasonable, all because you BELIEVE that you're right and that the alternative is wrong because YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THE OPPOSITE ARGUMENT IS SAYING AND WON'T LISTEN TO IT is why your ideology is blinding you. If you want to have a glimpse of reality, listen to the alternative argument. This video provides it. You just have to actually listen and pay attention.
Well, since we do not use commodity money (gold or silver) as our means of exchange, by Karl Marx's own definition, we do not have capital, and thus, cannot have capitalism. Karl Marx also called for central banking in the Communist Manifesto. Why? Because he wanted to use a fiat currency system rather than money (gold and silver). That's where we are right now. We live in a fiat currency world - meaning that we live in a central planner world (Socialism).
Please stay on topic.
Your claims about what the author supposedly said aren't backed up with links.
I'm not going to make this up for you by surfing around.
Apart from wrong claims before in other threads and your repeated irrelevant insults. πβ
you cant link youtube comments and replies einstein
LOL sorry your hero is an utter idiot
Means, I should take it as the plain truth that your YT-quotes are correct.
You didn't even properly quote my 2 short sentences in the CIA discussion.
Your novel and insults --> dismissed.
yes they are correct and true.
i am sorry you are in such denial that an pretty far libertarian would say libertarian things. how crazy must not be true!
hahah you love getting embarrassed dont you
You only embarrass yourself, bad-spot.
shareyes by exposing your daddy libertarian is full of shit
LOL and you actually look up to him as some sort of expert? talk about the retards leading the retards.
you failed.
Declaring yourself a winner doesn't make you a winner.
And I'm not a "libertarian" as my "daddy" wasn't.
You need to learn a lot as an alleged "student of political science", baby-spot.
no but me being the only one who provided an argument. while you bitch out an say "nah uh" does
actually i dont. its why i provided multiple arguments in my post about them being nazis. 10+ in fact. while you said "this youtuber says so so im right!"
we arent built the same. you are a guilable idiot who took Daddy Tiks word for it like an idiot.
Yep, we're "built" differently, apparently.
The rest of your presumptions are wrong...again.
I'm just reluctant to discuss with a whippersnapper who's constantly throwing insults around.
Yep. in terms of our arguements about the Nazis being left or right wing.
ME- provides 7+ historical facts and arguements that show this. that all hisotrians left and right agree on happened
You- "hey watch 5 hours and 20 minutes by this extremist libertarian! im right!"
yes we are built different. you havent provided a single argument unlike me . you just told peopel to watch 5 hours of video lol.
You havent shown a single one of my "presumptions" are wrong. they arent presumptions though. they are historical facts.
https://moviechat.org/bd0000082/Politics/65044bc116b9eb0d541225fb/No-the-Nazis-were-not-left-wing?reply=65045b9916b9eb0d54122661
like this this post, you attempt to just gishgallop with a source and provide no arguement yourself. like above in the link where you said "here read 100 paragraphs im right but i wont provide an arguement"
factually the nazis did ally with a right wing general to attempt the putsch. they did create a coalition government with ONLY right wing parties. they did almost Merge with the DVP. etc etc etc etc.
are a fucking clown and embarrassment. keep going to i can intellectually emasculate you more.
You are wasting your efforts with leftist imbeciles that rely on internet scriptures to support their lies and denials.
I have a post on this forum with over 24 sources that supports the author from your YT video and it would still not make any difference because the 'cultist club' would still provide more scriptures to double-down on their lies using ad hominem attacks and straw man arguments.
May I see that post? Never hurts to be equipped.
shareSeems, we won't see that post. *snivel*
Under the YT-video in my OP there are 2 pinned replies with many sources by TikHistory (video producer).
Perhaps it's the british historian Mark Felton, but didn't find any official confirmation for it.
Yah, the terms ad hominem and straw men I know well from previous discussions.
Unfortunately, you're right again (wasted time). *sigh*
However, as LanceDance I also would like to see your post with the over 24 sources.
Currently there are more than 8,000 YT comments!
So please post it here too, it'll make the search easier. βΊ
When in trouble, call your opponent a 'right-winger' and hope that ends the conversation...
shareYah, the usual knockout arguments:
"You're a Nazi!"
"You're a racist!"
Hmmm, if I forgot another good one, feel free to add. βΊ
he is objectively a right wing libertarian extremist........
but nice conflating me objectively describing his political ideology, with just shouting "racist".
you are a loser scumbag.
Batfleck (1485) 12 hours ago
he is objectively a right wing libertarian extremist........
but nice conflating me objectively describing his political ideology, with just shouting "racist".
you are a loser scumbag.
yes he is a right wing libertarian extremist. Just like id say a communist is a left wing extremist, or far extreme on the left political spectrum.
i am sorry your authority on WW2 history and Nazi economics is a joke. who has said multiple stupid things that shows he doesnt even have a basic understanding of political economy/economics. and is trying to push a narrative.
i am sorry you are sooooo stupid you thing all of academia on the left and right, are all wrong for the last because some libertarian extremist made a youtube video. you are the classic model of an idiot and someone easily duped.
Ohhhh, you talk(ed) about TikHistory!
That wasn't the topic in this sub-thread, well, let's see:
"joke"
"multiple stupid"
"sooooo stupid"
"idiot"
"easily duped"
Another outstanding expertise by bad-spot. πβ
ive given you outstanding posts. His own quotes showing his ignorance and why what he said is complete gibberish and libertarian extremist mubo jumbo.
hes so extreme, Adam Smith THE FATHER OF CAPITALISM WOULD BE considered a "socialist" under Tiks definition. because he not only supported fiat currency, but also governments role in some regulation and providing schooling and institutions like policing and military. He believed that a government's three functions should be to protect national borders, enforce civil law, and engage in public works. all of which Tik says should be 100% privatized and the government doing this is "socialism".
his analysis is so poor, that to double down and defend his libertarian ideology that seeps into his political economy analysis. he has to say absurd things like
Democracy is People Power. Except the People are the Public and the Public is the State. So Democracy is State Power. North Korea is a Democracy, because the State is in power. This is why the Founding Fathers knew that democracy was bad and called their government a Republic. Also, I explained all this in the video".
Capitalism is private ownership. Since you must pay taxes on property, income and business revenue, that proves that you don't own your own property, income or business. You're only renting property from the State. You're a working slave to the State, which is why you have to pay them when you earn anything. And the business isn't yours, which is why they can dictate to you that you must pay minimum wage to you employees, or say how you have to run things via regulations. We don't have private ownership, we have State ownership. Karl Marx himself defined capitalism as the system where money is chased for the sake of having money by the capitalists (Das Kapital volume 1). However, he also said that money (capital) is a commodity. Well, since we do not use commodity money (gold or silver) as our means of exchange, by Karl Marx's own definition, we do not have capital, and thus, cannot have capitalism. Karl Marx also called for central banking in the Communist Manifesto. Why? Because he wanted to use a fiat currency system rather than money (gold and silver). That's where we are right now. We live in a fiat currency world - meaning that we live in a central planner world (Socialism)."
"your mother clearly dropped you multiple times as a child."
Now that's a new low, bad-spot. β»
You meant that loooong post of yours, mostly quotes without links.
And that short after you misquoted me in the CIA-discussion, just to make your point...apart from your constant insults.
Yah, certainly outstanding. πβ
ill reiterate again you clown since reading is hard for you
hes so extreme, ADAM SMITH THE FATHER OF CAPITALISM WOULD BE considered a "socialist" under Tiks definition. because he not only supported fiat currency, but also governments role in some regulation and providing schooling and institutions like policing and military. He believed that a government's three functions should be to protect national borders, enforce civil law, and engage in public works. all of which Tik says should be 100% privatized and the government doing this is "socialism".
THIS IS YOUR EXPERT??? hahahhahahahahahahah your mom def dropped you on purpose multiple times
"your mom def dropped you on purpose multiple times"
You should check your behaviour, bad-spot.
You crossed a line, repeatedly.
Have a good one. πβ
ohh right i forgot you were the one who plays the perpetual victim!
good excuse to run away from my argument :) people like you always need to deflect to an escape to address the argument they know they cant counter.
Batfleck (1491) 37 minutes ago
ill reiterate again you clown since reading is hard for you
hes so extreme, ADAM SMITH THE FATHER OF CAPITALISM WOULD BE considered a "socialist" under Tiks definition. because he not only supported fiat currency, but also governments role in some regulation and providing schooling and institutions like policing and military. He believed that a government's three functions should be to protect national borders, enforce civil law, and engage in public works. all of which Tik says should be 100% privatized and the government doing this is "socialism".
THIS IS YOUR EXPERT??? hahahhahahahahahahah
your mom def dropped you on purpose multiple times
Batfleck (1491) 10 minutes ago
ohh right i forgot you were the one who plays the perpetual victim!
good excuse to run away from my argument :) people like you always need to deflect to an escape to address the argument they know they cant counter.
oh look who is back!! werent you leaving because you were so offended and victimized??
ohhh look at that still not addressing the argument where i showed Tik is completely full of crap. thank you for confirming you have no argument and are just afraid of the truth. stay fragile and get to your safe space.
Batfleck (1492) 3 minutes ago
oh look who is back!! werent you leaving because you were so offended and victimized??
ohhh look at that still not addressing the argument where i showed Tik is completely full of crap. thank you for confirming you have no argument and are just afraid of the truth. stay fragile and get to your safe space.
you were sooo offended and victimized that i made a joke you had to say "goodbye" and leave immediately and couldn't respond to what i said about Tik. yet here you were now begging for more attention.
you are so transparent in your pathetic cowardice. i couldn't imagine being someone so weak and pathetic.
to anyone reading it just looks like you puss'd out because you had no argument. which im sure being a puss and coward is your entire life
stay weak and fragile. it suits you
Batfleck (1493) 16 minutes ago
you were sooo offended and victimized that i made a joke you had to say "goodbye" and leave immediately and couldn't respond to what i said about Tik. yet here you were now begging for more attention.
you are so transparent in your pathetic cowardice. i couldn't imagine being someone so weak and pathetic.
to anyone reading it just looks like you puss'd out because you had no argument. which im sure being a puss and coward is your entire life
stay weak and fragile. it suits you
haha you look like a coward who couldnt address my arguments. good everyone needs to know what a puss you are. LOLL i intellectually emasculated you and that clown parkerbot too. he does the same. just spams one thing cause he cant address what i say.
i cant believe you fell for Tiks nonsense. i can only imagine what a gullible shit life you have for real.
Batfleck (1494) 2 minutes ago
haha you look like a coward who couldnt address my arguments. good everyone needs to know what a puss you are. LOLL i intellectually emasculated you and that clown parkerbot too. he does the same. just spams one thing cause he cant address what i say.
i cant believe you fell for Tiks nonsense. i can only imagine what a gullible shit life you have for real.
haha yaaa i got you permanently mentally destroyed and gave you ptsd. how weak you are
share"You should check your behaviour, bad-spot.
You crossed a line, repeatedly.
Have a good one. πβ"
wahhhhh wahhhh. the little victim
Batfleck (1499) 29 minutes ago
haha yaaa i got you permanently mentally destroyed and gave you ptsd. how weak you are
Batfleck (1499) 28 minutes ago
wahhhhh wahhhh. the little victim
hahahha you got emasculate here. i couldnt imagine being as ignorant as you
you look so desperate to dodge like the coward you are
Batfleck (1507) 7 hours ago
hahahha you got emasculate here. i couldnt imagine being as ignorant as you
you look so desperate to dodge like the coward you are
https://www.eff.org/de/issues/bloggers/legal/liability/defamation
BAHAHAHAHAHAHA. just when i thought you couldnt get even more cowardly and a little puss.
PLEASE come for me legally because i called you weak and scared and a puss. hahaha you keep porving my point.
you are so weak and pathetic. at this point im not even being inflammatory. you are objectively a fragile, soft and pathetic person
BAHAHAHAHAHA i only read your first link just now (https://www.berliklaw.com/insulting-words.html)
did you really just send me a link saying that you would react violently if yu heard :insulting words"
HHHAHA omg man. i never use the term "beta male" because its pseudo science. but if it were proven you would be exhibit A!!
you ran like a coward when you had no counter arguement to my Adam Smith point. then sent me that! how insecure and cowardly can you be??
i didnt think you could go any lower. you proved me wrong. you are officially Moviechats weakest more beta poster. im guessing no father or a weak one raised you
Batfleck (1514) 6 hours ago
BAHAHAHAHAHAHA. just when i thought you couldnt get even more cowardly and a little puss.
PLEASE come for me legally because i called you weak and scared and a puss. hahaha you keep porving my point.
you are so weak and pathetic. at this point im not even being inflammatory. you are objectively a fragile, soft and pathetic person
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Batfleck (1514) 18 minutes ago
BAHAHAHAHAHA i only read your first link just now (https://www.berliklaw.com/insulting-words.html)
did you really just send me a link saying that you would react violently if yu heard :insulting words"
HHHAHA omg man. i never use the term "beta male" because its pseudo science. but if it were proven you would be exhibit A!!
you ran like a coward when you had no counter arguement to my Adam Smith point. then sent me that! how insecure and cowardly can you be??
i didnt think you could go any lower. you proved me wrong. you are officially Moviechats weakest more beta poster. im guessing no father or a weak one raised you
bahha back to the mindless scipt you coward. you are sooo afraid i couldnt imagine living your life being so weak and scared. oopps i called you scared im getting sued!
i can believe you posted that!
"wahhh if you insult me i can beat you up!!! and sue you!"
have you been tested for low testosterone? or was dad as weak as you and not a real man who taught you to be a scared shaking dog?
Batfleck (1515) 4 minutes ago
bahha back to the mindless scipt you coward. you are sooo afraid i couldnt imagine living your life being so weak and scared. oopps i called you scared im getting sued!
i can believe you posted that!
"wahhh if you insult me i can beat you up!!! and sue you!"
have you been tested for low testosterone? or was dad as weak as you and not a real man who taught you to be a scared shaking dog?
i cant believe you went full puss puss crapping your pants
"how dare you say i was dropped!!!!!!! i can sue you!!! or i can fight you if im scared!"
how weak was your father?
Tik is a right wing libertarian extremist. im sorry im describing a spade a spade and what he is.
he has said he wants all teachers, police, firefighters and even judges and military privatized.
even by libertarian standards he is extreme.
Im not in trouble at all. see i actually know wtf im talking about. and why i provided quotes by him to back up that he is talking out his ass and extreme.
you shouldnt reply. you just got embarrassed.
Makes sense since modern socialists are Nazis.
Look how many blindly support the Nazis running Ukraine.
With his cruel war of aggression against peaceful Ukraine and his constant lies,
Putin resembles Hitler more than you like to realize.
This war has been going on a lot longer than youβve been spoon fed to believe.
Which side is censoring the free press?
Which side is supporting Ukrainian Nazis?
Which side cancelled the peace deal 1 week after the 2022 skirmish started?
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2015/03/10/ukraine-azov-brigade-nazis-abuses-separatists/24664937/
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-cohen-ukraine-commentary/commentary-ukraines-neo-nazi-problem-idUKKBN1GV2TY
"This war has been going on a lot longer than youβve been spoon fed to believe."
The suitable comparison of Putin and Hitler triggered you...fine!
The war started much earlier than you learnt it in Saint Petersburg's troll classes.
Russia invaded 2014 Crimea in violation of international law.
Russia invaded the territory of a peaceful sovereign state!
This with the blatant lie that they've to defend Russian people there.
The same year Russians shot down the civilian flight MH17, which had mostly Netherlanders on board. 298 people died, among them many children and grandchildren. It didn't work to blame Ukraine for it though Russia tried almost everything to make the evidence disappear.
Netherlanders/Frisians are revengeful.
They won't give up until they find everyone responsible, stay wary.
Since about the same time our social networks are flooded with Putin's propaganda.
Putin's troll army spreads fake news and manipulates comment ratings.
Betimes it can be amusing.
https://moviechat.org/nm3305952/Volodymyr-Zelenskyy/64f80e6b603582098ffedbfa/Hail-Zelenskyy-Russian-Propaganda-Busted
It was a cute attempt to let the Ukrainian President appear like Hitler.
Zelenskyy as a Jewish Hitler?!...Leopard! πβ
Unfortunately, your lying and murderous Putin isn't amusing at all. β»
Wait... do you honestly think that Russia doesn't do press censorship?
shareHe is not referring to Russia, lol. He is referring to the leftists-MSM.
shareNo, the context contrasts Putin vs. Ukraine. It's the only way it makes sense.
"Which side is censoring the free press?
Which side is supporting Ukrainian Nazis?
Which side cancelled the peace deal 1 week after the 2022 skirmish started?"
Obviously by his logic, both Ukraine and USA are "supporting Ukrainian Nazis" so for it to be contrasting Ukraine vs. USA makes no sense. He could of course be contrasting USA vs. Russia, but in both scenarios the implication is that he thinks Russia has a free press.
But since you've decided to reply yourself - please provide evidence that the US state censors the press.
Of course it doesn't make sense to you, that is no surprise; nevertheless, he was referring to USA-MSM.
Then he was comparing the USA to Russia.
In which case: Does he really think Russia has a free press?
And as I asked: Since you've decided to reply yourself - please provide evidence that the US state censors the press.
I know you get all your news from Fox News but keep this in mind. Fox News was fined close to a billion dollars for lying to their viewers. If you weren't so stupid you would get your news from multiple sources.
shareTrue, everyone should get "news from multiple sources".
Sometimes there just isn't enough time to read everything.
Look how many blindly support the Nazis running Ukraine.
Sorry your Democrat Nazi gaslighting wonβt work here.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-cohen-ukraine-commentary/commentary-ukraines-neo-nazi-problem-idUKKBN1GV2TY
No, "National Socialism" is just like the words say. It's national direction of the economy by the government. It is NOT destruction of capitalism and profit. Business is still independent and makes a profit for the owners but they receive instructions from the state. There is no redistribution of income. It's not socialism by the standard definition.
share" 'National Socialism' is just like the words say."
Exactly, just like the words say --> Socialism!
The first video in my OP is only 21 mins, you should watch it.
Okay, I watched it.
The problem here is that the Nazis used socialism when it was convenient for them, as a means an end. They are fascists, tribalists, and whatever was good for the tribe, be it socialist or capitalist, was what they implemented.
They even began a program of re-privatization in the late 30's.
http://www.ub.edu/graap/EHR.pdf
So it's not real socialism. Theoretically that may have been the goal. But Nazi Germany was always primarily capitalist.
π©β Nazis : National Socialism was IT'S OK TO BE WHITE Socialism π©β
shareWho cares ?
what point are you trying to prove here ?
That when people call right wingers Nazis they are wrong ? thats never going to stop.
also both sides get called nazis by the other all the time .
It seems pretty pointless to me bothering to disect the exact politcal position of the Nazis , as its apparently a bit of both ,
and whenever the term is hurled at someone they arnt referring to this complex left/right stance , they are referring to a totalitarian rule where you could be gassed for having the wrong religion.