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Hmmm, Another career instantly destroyed

posted 7 years ago by Washingtonnative (2613)
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Well, so much for that!

[–] horrorfan000 (2308) 7 years ago

Not to demean any legitimate accusations but i feel like studios aren't giving some of these actors a fair chance to defend themselves or even verify the accusations.If someone accused me of something like this i would at the very least expect to have my side of the story heard before being judged and thrown to the wolves.

[–] Washingtonnative (2613) 7 years ago

Agreed.

[–] Marty1968 (332) 7 years ago

Not in today's society where a tweet equals instant guilt.... and peoples need to whore attention is the primary driving force in their lives.

[–] Daggerboard (581) 7 years ago

Agreed. So many times the accusation gets the headlines. The torches come out. And months later it's proven to be a lie, which doesn't make the headlines.

[–] not_a_virus.exe (1267) 7 years ago

I think it's due to the fact that these studios most likely knew about such behavior as this, and in a desperate attempt to divorce themselves from any potential involvement, they sever ties quicker than one who would give their employee a fair trial. It's mostly out of guilt that they throw these predators under the bus.

[–] Otter (24464) 7 years ago

I think that's what's behind some if these seemingly instantaneous falls from Grace. Even out here in Flyover Country, I'd heard rumors about Weinstein and Spacey engaging in sexual harassment, and Louis CK engaging in gross behavior. If any of the rumors I heard were true, these guys had to have enemies, and their employers had to know that those guys had the potential to attract bad publicity and lawsuits. So while others might be forgiven or protected, they were not.

Spacey was even hitting (allegedly) on the teen sons of influential insiders. Imagine the enemies he could make that way!

[–] brux (14724) 7 years ago

Louie did tell his side of the story today ... he did it.

[–] Rorikon (17855) 7 years ago

Why we need sex robots. Won't need women anymore or hear them complain of possible harassment.

[–] not_a_virus.exe (1267) 7 years ago

Asking women to watch you masturbate is a pretty common sense faux pas. I really don't think that's the same as this new wave trend of women crying wolf where there are only puppies.

[–] Rorikon (17855) 7 years ago

Yeah, what he did was damning but I was referring to that new wave you're talking about or that whine whine safe space shine types. Those are slowly growing in number and who would want those in your life if it becomes the norm eh?

[–] not_a_virus.exe (1267) 7 years ago

Probably not a lot of people. I understand why men are more or less rejecting marriage at this point. I mean we live in a world where there is less rape than at any other point in human history and yet women are more afraid of it than at any other point in human history. Those facts don't bode well for a healthy unity between men and women. Women constantly worried about being raped, and men constantly worrying about how to initiate contact with women without them worrying about being raped, but it's stories like these that unfortunately fan that divide.

[–] Rorikon (17855) 7 years ago

http://theconversation.com/more-people-than-ever-before-are-single-and-thats-a-good-thing-74658

Another reason why as well. Why pornhub is so err you know. But yeah, I can see sexbots becoming the future norm eventually.

[–] ChuckFindlay (392) 7 years ago

To be fair, it’s all the past swept under the rug stuff that’s the problem. Same with child abuse. No one talked about it and it went on and on until it was talked about. Now my generation moans about “it wasnt like that in my day, kids could play in the streets at night and be safe”. It’s a perception issue. We didn’t see it, but it was going on.

It’s the same with women and rape. We assume it’s not really that much of a problem because we don’t hear about it. I’ll bet if you ask most of the females in your life most of them will have at least one story of sexual abuse of some sort. I know I woman right now that was raped by her husband but she won’t say anything because of how it would effect her kids. There so many reasons why women don’t come forward but people tend to think of “what they would do” completely ignoring the stress and psychological effects of the situation. Keyboard warriors would be a name for them.

Most assume when a woman does come forward much later that she must be lying. You think women are being raped less? Why, because women have more legal rights and protections in the first world? You can’t possibly believe that.

[–] not_a_virus.exe (1267) 7 years ago

Actually it had more to do with statistic proof than anything, but assuming it was because women had more protections in the first world, why wouldn't that be a suitable answer?

[–] ChuckFindlay (392) 7 years ago

Statistics depend on data. You cant have accurate data if rape victims aren't coming forward. What were the stats on child rape taken before 2000? See my point?

As for the last part, you cant be serious? Forgetting the fact that women dont all live in the first world and the fact that "rape gangs" are still a thing in the third world. Not to mention the countless countries and religions that still treat women as 2nd class. Exactly why do you think that laws protect women? Laws dont protect anyone, they punish those that dont follow them. Yes women are on paper are every bit as equal as men, but if youre honest youll know thats not true. On paper its true, in reality its far form it. And all this coming out now should tell you that. No one has been found to be lying, and yet here we are having discussions about how the liars hurt the actual victims. Seems accusations are the only thing that matters no matter which side of the argument youre on.

You want to know what the worst thing about sexual abuse of women is? Its that its mostly other women that dont believe them. Isnt that sad? Think about that for second. Think about if you were raped(Im assuming youre a man, apologies if Im mistaken). So you're raped, Its one of the worst things that has happened to you. The physical and mental pain you are in is overwhelming. You want to tell someone, but you think if you do youll be blamed. Why did you go up to that guys room so late at night? you couldnt fight him off? You must have wanted it then and now you regret it so youre calling it rape.... This is one thing that might go through your head. Would you be in a rush to face that?

What about men raped by women? We all know the story there. Men dont come forward because they think they will be made fun of. And some have been made fun of and not believed.

[–] not_a_virus.exe (1267) 7 years ago

Well that logic works both ways now doesn't it? If rape victims aren't coming forward than how can you say it's so prevalent? See my point? If that data is all we have, then why would you assume it's worse than what the data provides?

Secondly, are you SERIOUSLY telling me that women are not equal to men? In this day in age? Are you MAD?! In what world are you living that women are not respected and treated to the same degree that men are? It's as if you're living in an entirely different planet than I am. Where are you coming up with this nonsense? If YOU were honest you'd start telling me in every way that women are not treated as equal to men.

Also, I don't count the third world in the same way that you don't count male rape victims in the prison system. You'll also notice that all the women complaining about rape seem to only be doing it from the first world where they are safe enough to do it without fear of consequences. You don't typically see women in more restrictive and repressive countries complaining about how hard they have it do you? Might tell you something about how much more freedom women have in our neck of the woods don't you think?

And as sad as it is to not be believed when you claim to have been raped, it doesn't help matters that we have an epidemic of women making false rape allegations. We live in a world where literally any time a woman feels remotely uncomfortable, she can claim it was sexual harassment. You think that bodes well for victims of a genuine rape? You think it's bad enough to wallow through life having been raped and no one believes you? How about being sent to prison and losing 20+ years of your life for a rape you didn't commit? How about having to lose that 20 years of your life behind bars, but then ALSO suffering rape from inmates? And having to let it happen just to survive?

Bad shit happens. That doesn't mean this world isn't better than it was.

[–] ChuckFindlay (392) 7 years ago

I dont know what world youre living in, but its clear its a world produced by dick wolf. Why are you bringing up prison rape? And you are you assuming Im fine with it? Why are you trying to make this a pissing contest of which gender has it worst? Or is that just your usual go to to explain away your misogyny? As someone who was falsely accused I see no "epidemic" of false accusations. Care to point out where this epidemic is? As for your nonsense about third world women not complaining, please just stop. Youre making a fool of yourself at this point.

And as for your rebuttal of statistics, ask the women in your life if they have any experience of sexual abuse no matter how minor and ask if they reported it. Youll be shocked. Australia years ago had a mass shooting, and action was taken to ban certain guns. Over the next few years there was a significant rise in rape reports. The pro gun people attributed this rise to the lack of guns, but in actual fact it was because of a government push to make reporting rape a safer experience for victims. You ask what evidence there is of women being sexually assaulted, you dont think what we are seeing right now highlights just what kid of problem we have? Just like the kids before them that went unreported that were abused for decades, this is a problem. Denying it, and making excuses for it doesnt help.

As for the crap about the world being better than it was, dude, seriously. What are you smoking? The world isnt better, its just looks different. nothing has really changed. The world is still controlled by a few. Idiots believe what ever they are told be their respective propaganda machine of choice. Religions are still pitting us against each other. Men are still supposed to go to war and die for something stupid. Women are still supposed to be in house looking after the kids. The list goes on. We have in door plumbing, there you go, the world is better.

[–] not_a_virus.exe (1267) 7 years ago

I'm not assuming a damn thing, you're just hearing what you want to hear. I'm bringing up prison rape because you have seemingly glossed over it in trying to pander to me heart strings over how bad "women" must have it. You don't get to make rape out to be this horrible thing for women who aren't believed, and then accuse me of deflecting when I try to do the same. Your hypocrisy is showing as clear as day. Rape knows no gender, You either make it about both, or you keep quiet. Pick one.

Also, I'm not denying that women suffer sexual assault, I'm saying they don't suffer anywhere near the degree they did 70+ years ago. If you're seriously going to deny this in the face of overwhelming evidence, then there's no reason for this conversation to continue. You are clearly willfully ignorant.

WHAT are you TALKING ABOUT?! There are more women entering the workforce than EVER BEFORE! Literally women are out-performing men in college by a 6:4 ratio. Where on earth are you getting that women are still expected to be child rearing custodians? You're clueless. Are you living under a rock?

Also, child mortality at an all time low? Rape at an all time low? Violence at an all time low? Birth rates at an all time high? Shots for every previously fatal disease? Medical advances? inter-continental communication? Internet? Satellites? We are communication through wires! How do you not stop to appreciate everything you have? You're just a cynic. Go build yourself a cabin in the middle of the tundra and live off the land and see how terrible this world is.

[–] ChuckFindlay (392) 7 years ago

That would be true, except for the fact I did bring up rape against men. So not sure what youre on about. Unless of course youre just trying to chance the topic because you have no argument? You wanna talk about male rape, go right ahead. No one is saying its less important, other than you of course. The topic is about women. So we are talking about women. That why I didnt bring up dog rape either.

You dont know what women suffered 70+ years ago anymore than I do. But in that same breath you dont know what women today have to suffer. And there is no evidence other than the inaccurate statistics you havent bothered to provide. So far all youve done is make assumptions and then get annoyed that anyone dare challenge those assumptions.

Again statistics with no basis. A 6:4 ratio in what occupation? In what work force? In what country? The world?

As for your silly "all time low" claims. Based on what? In what areas of the world? Im guessing youre one of them "im alright jack" types? I mean only an idiot think that because he can play god with someone not on the same room that means rape isnt as bad as it ever was. your ridiculous arguments are nothing more than that. Nothing but assumptions, strawmen and goal post shifting. I dont need to live in a cabin in a tundra to know the world is still as fuck as it ever was. Im currently using the internet to communicate with someone in another continent whos trying to make the subject a rape a gender war.

You take it easy bro beans. Remember to go ask the women you know about their experiences. Unless of course youre too focused on mens issues to give a shit.

[–] not_a_virus.exe (1267) 7 years ago

Actually you're wrong. We were originally talking about why men are rejecting marriage. Due to the fact that anything men do these days will be misconstrued as harassment. We weren't talking about women until you brought up about how bad they have it not being believed. To which I replied about how bad men also have it not being believed of having not committed it. YOU'RE the one that turned this into a gendered debate. If you don't like how things turned out, then keep quiet.

You literally need only do a quick google search to find what you're looking for. There has been a steady decline in rape since the 90's. You really are living in a world you want to live in, rather than the one you have to. It would be so much easier to compliment your edgy nihilistic world view if I was wrong wouldn't it?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/18/AR2006061800610.html

A 6:4 ratio in college graduates. Not even in the work force itself, but in the building blocks for it.

https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2017/08/why-men-are-the-new-college-minority/536103/

All time low claims based on evidence. Of which you seem to have provided none. None other than your nihilistic, reactionary anecdotal world view. Wouldn't want to brighten up your perception of reality by giving you good news now would I? How on earth you would manage to lock yourself up in your room and listen to Bauhaus knowing the world is better than you think? Remember, when cutting yourself, it's parallel to the length of your arm, not perpendicular.

[–] [email protected] (1732) 7 years ago

These posts are already dated, as CK came out with a lame, Kevin Spacey-like foot-in-the-mouth "I take
responsibility for my actions" admission of guilt. It didn't help that he mentions these female accusers by
their first names, as if he's asking them to tea, or something.

I believe he is sexually perverse (like most in show biz), but I doubt he's a rapist. His career shouldn't be
permanently ruined, for heaven's sake. But his choice of words and his oh-so-fake humility aren't helping.

At all.

His career lacks the class and overall achievement of Spacey, who will be held (sadly) to a higher level
of judgment. CK isn't any kind of actor, and the people who pay to see his
kind of comedy will give him a pass in due time. Wrong? I don't think so. At least (so far) he hasn't
been accused of trying to seduce 14 year-olds.

Spacey is toast. I think CK - if he can keep his persona clean - will be fine in five to ten years, still playing
clubs, and still working. There will be dents, but he will keep going. And a big film career was hardly likely
anyway.

[–] not_a_virus.exe (1267) 7 years ago

It helps that Ck is a comedian though. I think it will be a lot easier for him to mock himself later on in life than it would be for a more serious celebrity like Spacey.

[–] Renovatio (2990) 7 years ago

Never apologise to the crowd!

Rookie mistake! It only increases their blood lust... And no one buys it...

This is all aside from their innocence or guilt, or the nature of the accusations... Do these people not understand how dangerous public apologies are?!

[–] TandyMan (11096) 7 years ago

CK will be back. He owned up to his actions fully. He didn't actually physically assault anybody, and they were all of age. This puts him in the dog house but not out the back door. He's also a self deprecating comedian. After some time and an apology tour and spoken word style not quite comedy special where he pours his sick sorry heart on the floor, he'll be forgiven.

[–] [deleted] 7 years ago

I hope he does come back. Aside from being incredibly funny he's actually shown himself to be a stand up guy. Not defending His actions but his statement carries a lot of weight as far as I'm concerned and it will be interesting to see how (or if) the women who accused him will react. Regardless as others have said it seems far tamer than what the likes of Weinstein and Spacey are being accused of so I hope to see him again.

[–] TandyMan (11096) 7 years ago

As another poster above pointed out, even if he never gets mainstream again, his fans will forgive him. It'd be like if they threw Howard Stern under the bus. Stern fans ain't gonna give a crap.