Skeletor how could you
https://deadline.com/2022/04/frank-langella-fired-the-fall-of-the-house-of-usher-misconduct-investigation-netflix-1235001883/
I bet it will be more vindictive #Metoo horseshit.
shareHow about not firing him until these accusations can be proven...
I'm being silly of course. I'm fully aware that mere accusations are all that's needed to ruin someone's career nowadays
Yes, there should be privacy laws, this isn't a court of law convicting him, but now his name is mud
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It determined that Langella had been involved in unacceptable conduct on set. As a result, a decision has been made to recast the role of Roderick Usher
the investigation was launched after the 84-year-old actor had been accused of sexual harassment, including making inappropriate comments to a female co-star on set during work.
A inappropriate comments to a FEMALE co-star?
Uh-huh...
One "sexually inappropriate" joke and he touched the leg of a female colleague one time. Firing an 84-year old man for this seems rather excessive, to say the least. But those are the times we live in.
shareLogically it makes more sense to fire someone that is accused rather than wait until the accusations are proven. Remember it could take a year or more for the accusation to be proven or disproven... by that time the series is probably near or at completion and you can't really redo it unless you are willing to pretty much reshoot the whole thing... he the person is shown innocent then you suffer only minimally... but if the accusations have picked up steam or been confirmed you've now got a finished product that depending on what the accusation even were could be enough to shelve the finished product forever.... Worst case scenario is like Frogman the OJ Simpson movie that was completed but because of the Nicole incident has never seen the light of day.
So if an accusation pops up you can gamble and maybe lose everything, or play it safe and eliminate the accused and eliminate the risk. While morally you shouldn't dump someone without hard evidence, the smart thing to do it dump them asap to avoid the financial risk.
That's a REALLY shitty way to think. I hope for your sake no one ever accuses you of something that you didn't do, but your work fires you just because you were accused.
shareYou have to realize if you don't fire them when accused that when the first one turns up guilty and tanks the film that lots of people will then be out of a job when the production company fails to make money. The needs of the many out weigh the needs of the few - besides the rich actors aren't going to starve or be homeless because they lose a job, because even when fired they still have payouts in the contracts that will give them more money than a normal Joe makes in a several years.
And don't think its only movies that do this termination when accused, when I was in business school a couple of classmates were investigated by the SEC, the school kicked them out before they were even indicted so this isn't some new thing its been happening for years in various companies and organizations.
I do understand what you are saying, but that still doesn't make it right. It's messed up that men are being completely destroyed by women when most of the time it's simply B.S.
shareI never said it was ethically or morally right... but financially it is the best option. If men want to play it safe it isn't that difficult, stop getting in compromising situations where there are no witnesses to back you up. Lots of doctors do this all the time by simply having a nurse in the room when they are there with a patient. It isn't as if the nurse truly needs to be there all the time but it give the doctor a witness to back him up if some nutter woman decides to claim he groped her or some other shit.
shareSo in your world Alec Baldwin would be finishing up RUST now.
shareIn my world Baldwin would have been arrested by now. He would have been fired immediately but then if I had the ability to fire him I would never have fired the ignorant idiot to begin with. Rust is never going to see the light of day at this point and this actually shows why you can't keep someone after they are even suspected of nefarious acts. If he wasn't a producer of the film and was just an actor, then after he killed the woman they the producers would have fired him and could have then possibly finished the movie with someone else depending on how much of the movie with him in it had already been shot.
shareWho's the actress that got him cancelled?
shareIts kinda hard to believe just cause he is a pro and has been around forever. Hes 84 and has been around since the 70’s.
shareI posted this in Connie93's thread but she/he is just another useless troll so I am posting it here where there seems to be an actual discussion:
I can understand where he is coming from if everything he is saying is exactly how it happened.
I am a 51 year old woman. I was at the office last week and one of my co-workers, a young man, walked past me to take his break while I was coming back in from the restroom. As he passed, he said "excuse me" and his hand brushed my butt. There was absolutely NO intent there. It was the kind of thing that happens all the time when people are in close proximity and trying to move around. Nevertheless, he completely freaked out. He kept apologizing over and over, saying he didn't mean it, it was an accident and to please not take it as "sexual assault". I kid you not. I told him I knew it was an accident and not to worry about it.
I am sorry, but to see that reaction, that much stress and anxiety over a simple accident was sad and really speaks to the kind of world we live in now. Very, very sad.
In 1975 a female coworker and I were standing together, talking. I reached out to touch her upper arm (this was a normal gesture back then, and nobody thought anything of it). Just as I did, she turned and I inadvertently touched the side of her boob. She absolutely freaked out, but that was the end of it. If something like that happened today, even though it was an accident, I'd probably get fired, cancelled, and deported.
shareapparently women today are frail helpless flowers that can’t handle an off color remark or a hand questionably brushing their leg without demanding a
Federal investigation. We’ve raised a generation of weak women
Agreed! And in many cases, weak men too.
shareI know I was exaggerating. I hope your example is what happens nine times out of ten. You handled your scenario like a independent thoughtful human being who recognized an innocent mistake and I have zero doubt you’re fully capable of shutting down the alternative without jumping first to the HR rep to rescue you. At a minimum, that ability is surely connected to being a woman who’s been on the planet for 51 years. I worry the “social influencers” are making younger women perceive themselves as victims first which is a terrible development.
shareWe can only hope and thank you 😊 I understand what you're saying about all these "influencers" and their affect on the younger generation. It's bad enough so many of them are outright stupid with the things they do and say but then there are those who think they are setting a good example but really, they're not. They're just reinforcing what a lot of parents nowadays fail to teach. And I'm not just talking about teaching women to be victims.
shareAnd these women are doing a disservice to their own sex. What man would want to have a female coworker or employee these days? Just hire men and tell the metoo gals to start their own businesses.
shareExactly! So many decent men out there that now have to worry about this cancel culture and this "guilty until proven innocent, but still guilty" world we seem to live in. Makes me worry for my sons. I raised them right but does that even matter anymore? 😔
shareI have had that many times and have not freaked out. Some women are just ridiculous. But yes, you are right that if that happened now you would be fired, most likely with no questions asked.
shareI read your comment last night and it left me speechless. His reaction was pathetic but this is what men are being turned into nowadays, frightened little boys! You have to wonder how parents of this generation failed so miserably, not just with this issue but with so many others. It's like they were raised on another planet :-(
shareIt's definitely a different time. I found his reaction sad more than pathetic and I think it's more to do with this metoo movement that has really taking advantage of many situations. Makes me glad I am not a man.
shareOh I agree it's the me too movement but if people nowadays weren't so fragile (I think, in large part, due to bad parenting) this "movement" would never have gotten so out of hand. Not since the Salem witch trials have we had so many folks found guilty for so many things before guilt has actually been proven. BTW I'm also glad I'm not a man :-)
shareI agree with all that you said! I am stunned at the things people get away with nowadays. The way kids treat their parents and others is just sickening. If I had ever acted the way I see some of the kids acting now, I would have been spanked till my butt turned blue. The world now is a sad and miserable place.
shareI agree with you 100%
shareThis is absolute bullshit. Langella harmed no one. I hope he sues their asses back to the stone age.
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